FW190A / D Plane Specs and conditions of the environment these were measured from

[Amigo-6]

Hi all 

 

Actually just a question for now.
Also tried to search for a topic like this already in the forum but that's quite painful just to be allowed to send a search every 60 seconds or not even to have access to the other pages of the results. Changing the page redirects me into the search timeout again.
Probably just a temporary bug?!

Anyway... 
In the specifications for the FW-190 data is given e.g. maximum speed at certain altitudes. 
I was quite disappointed to be honest, that I could not achieve the speed given in the specs by far. 
For the A3 it is stated on maximum combat, at 3000m -> 556kph. I couldn't even reach 470kph with everything aligned and leveled. 

Thus I would like to know under which conditions this data was collected or can be achieved / tested?

I see that the Devs always want to have historical and correct evidence when it comes to changes in the game. The Specs look quite realistic to me but this is just on paper for now. 
To have the planes behavior historical correct is what this game stands for. 

Looking forward to your answers and info so I can test it again

Edited May 2, 2022 by Amigo-6

[CountZero]

in specs is true speed, you probably just use speed from gauge or hud and didnt convert it... 

[CUJO_1970]

You must convert TAS/IAS, you can download conversion calculators online for this. 

Also, remember Focke Wulfs aren’t like Mustangs where you take the highest recorded top speed and then add 10 Mph to it because won teh war.

 

So their speeds are much more realistic. 

[AEthelraedUnraed]

1 hour ago, Amigo-6 said:

Hi all 

 

Actually just a question for now.
Also tried to search for a topic like this already in the forum but that's quite painful just to be allowed to send a search every 60 seconds or not even to have access to the other pages of the results. Changing the page redirects me into the search timeout again.
Probably just a temporary bug?!

Anyway... 
In the specifications for the FW-190 data is given e.g. maximum speed at certain altitudes. 
I was quite disappointed to be honest, that I could not achieve the speed given in the specs by far. 
For the A3 it is stated on maximum combat, at 3000m -> 556kph. I couldn't even reach 470kph with everything aligned and leveled. 

Thus I would like to know under which conditions this data was collected or can be achieved / tested?

I see that the Devs always want to have historical and correct evidence when it comes to changes in the game. The Specs look quite realistic to me but this is just on paper for now. 
To have the planes behavior historical correct is what this game stands for. 

Looking forward to your answers and info so I can test it again

First of all, as the others already have said, you should convert Indicated Airspeed to True Airspeed. Depending on temperature and atmospheric pressure, that means your 470kph is actually somewhere around 500kph at your stated altitude of 3000m.

 

Secondly, did you use the boost system? I can't remember if that's the case for the A3, but at least the D9 needs you to explicitly switch on the boost.

[CountZero]

i just try 190A3 on kuban autumn map, using settings from spec for combat and stab at 100% on autopilot i get 484kmh on 3km alt, when converted thats 562kmh, and spec say Maximum true air speed at 3000 m, engine mode - Combat: 562 km/h

 

EDIT:

you can test any airplane in game using your method you used for 190s, and you will see every single one will have less speed indicated then spec say, becuse you didnt convert it to true speed spec define. For example try La-5 on 3km , and see if you get what spec say or mutch less, Maximum true air speed at 3000 m, engine mode - Nominal: 571 km/h

Edited May 3, 2022 by CountZero

[Amigo-6]

Good one ?

21 hours ago, CUJO_1970 said:

You must convert TAS/IAS, you can download conversion calculators online for this. 

Also, remember Focke Wulfs aren’t like Mustangs where you take the highest recorded top speed and then add 10 Mph to it because won teh war.

 

So their speeds are much more realistic. 

 

Thanks, will try it. What temperature did you set for your test.
Your throttle was max combat (85%)?

5 hours ago, CountZero said:

i just try 190A3 on kuban autumn map, using settings from spec for combat and stab at 100% on autopilot i get 484kmh on 3km alt, when converted thats 562kmh, and spec say Maximum true air speed at 3000 m, engine mode - Combat: 562 km/h

 

EDIT:

you can test any airplane in game using your method you used for 190s, and you will see every single one will have less speed indicated then spec say, becuse you didnt convert it to true speed spec define. For example try La-5 on 3km , and see if you get what spec say or mutch less, Maximum true air speed at 3000 m, engine mode - Nominal: 571 km/h

 

Nope, there is no boost on the A3. It is also the speed given for max combat which is 85% of throttle.

19 hours ago, AEthelraedUnraed said:

First of all, as the others already have said, you should convert Indicated Airspeed to True Airspeed. Depending on temperature and atmospheric pressure, that means your 470kph is actually somewhere around 500kph at your stated altitude of 3000m.

 

Secondly, did you use the boost system? I can't remember if that's the case for the A3, but at least the D9 needs you to explicitly switch on the boost.

[CountZero]

I used 84% throttle, it was said that on Kuban autumn map we get conditions they use for specs, so i just lanch QM with that map and pic alt, 50% fuel, and it works best.

 

Also some spec data for airplanes is not updated after they changed FM, on example of 109s/P51D, recently they changed their speed/climb/turn but didnt updated it in specs, so 51D in game is faster then spec say, and 109s are mostly slower on deck then spec say.

Edited May 3, 2022 by CountZero

[CUJO_1970]

3 hours ago, Amigo-6 said:

Thanks, will try it. What temperature did you set for your test.
Your throttle was max combat (85%)?

 

Remember to do your testing on Kuban Autumn map always - because that map is calibrated to standard atmosphere/temp just as real tests were calibrated to.

 

Here's a useful website for conversions:

https://aerotoolbox.com/airspeed-conversions/

 

 

[Amigo-6]

Hi guys  

Thanks for all the infos. 
I did the testing as you said and also read once again through the specs. 

As a foundation in the specs the planes have no modifications at all. This is also what I did but gave things a bit of advantage by carrying 400l instead of full fuel.
This should make it even easier to achieve the speeds stated. 

I did the testing for all 190s. Not just data that is given in the specs to compare. I just collected a bit more of data that I was curious about.

Looking at the table you can see the fields marked yellow, if the plane underperforms.  
Especially the A8 should be 10kph faster according to the specs. 

I guess some other planes could also use some extra kph. Not just the Mustang ?

(For the A5 (emergency) the last two digits seem to be interchanged in the specs)
 

Edited May 4, 2022 by Amigo-6

[CountZero]

On 5/5/2022 at 1:06 AM, Amigo-6 said:

Hi guys  

Thanks for all the infos. 
I did the testing as you said and also read once again through the specs. 

As a foundation in the specs the planes have no modifications at all. This is also what I did but gave things a bit of advantage by carrying 400l instead of full fuel.
This should make it even easier to achieve the speeds stated. 

I did the testing for all 190s. Not just data that is given in the specs to compare. I just collected a bit more of data that I was curious about.

Looking at the table you can see the fields marked yellow, if the plane underperforms.  
Especially the A8 should be 10kph faster according to the specs. 

I guess some other planes could also use some extra kph. Not just the Mustang ?

(For the A5 (emergency) the last two digits seem to be interchanged in the specs)
 

Regarding 190A8 they simply put wrong number in specs, they dont pay mutch atention in acuracy of spec data many airplanes have it wrong.

If you look defult 190A5, is with 2 guns in wings, and spec say 558kmh at 3km. While default A8 is with 4 guns in wings, and it say same 558kmh. Thats imposible that both have to do same speed but one have drag of extra 2 guns and nothing els differant.

When you test A5 with option to add 2 more guns in wings, so its same as default A8, you get same speed as A8 has with its 4 guns in wings. 

 

Edit:

Last time i was checking, only problem with in game top speed of 190A models i see is with how A3 model is 20-30kmh faster then A5, A6 and A8 at altitudes abow 7km when using emergancy, its even faster then all 109s exept K models, its probably because of old FM it has that made airplanes faster up high then normal, that was fixed on other 190s long time ago.

 

EDIT 2:

I just check and A3 still have this high alt speed problem making it faster axis prop airplane there untill K4, its best sped alt in game is 7.5km, and it have ~1.36ata there while at same alt other A models have ~1.22ata. All 4 190s have same engine in game, but A3 can produce more ata at alt abow 7km then other 3.

Edited May 6, 2022 by CountZero

[Amigo-6]

On 5/5/2022 at 2:33 PM, CountZero said:

EDIT 2:

I just check and A3 still have this high alt speed problem making it faster axis prop airplane there untill K4, its best sped alt in game is 7.5km, and it have ~1.36ata there while at same alt other A models have ~1.22ata. All 4 190s have same engine in game, but A3 can produce more ata at alt abow 7km then other 3.

Would much appreciate to have this bug for all 190s at 2k ?

But something similar I tripped on in this forum in terms of 190s competitivity is the topic below, which is legit imo and should defenitly get implemented for the A8. 

 

[CountZero]

17 hours ago, Amigo-6 said:

Would much appreciate to have this bug for all 190s at 2k ?

But something similar I tripped on in this forum in terms of 190s competitivity is the topic below, which is legit imo and should defenitly get implemented for the A8. 

 

Funny you mention 2km, A3 model only have same speed bum compared to other 190s at 1.5-2.5km also, at 2k A3 ~1.29ata while other ~1.23ata at 100% throttle.

 

If they add that 2 wing gun only modifications, it will probably be done when they add another 190 to game.