Useless AI - Episode 1 - Completely unresponsive...

[ebe-a51]

Greetings all,

 

Ive been told that the best thing to do about daft AI, is to post evidence of it. So here we go!

 

On a Career flight, in Hurricanes, off to bomb a vehicle column.

We are down an aircraft, I am Flight Lead, Battle of Moscow, 30-JAN-1942.

 

Ive trimmed and split the Tacview file so it will fit for the posting - if anyone has any good advice on how to post singular, larger Tacfiles, (or just a preferred method of sharing track data) please pipe in.

 

For the run-down:

- The 2 incoming ME109s took off ca.55nm away from an airfield to the ENE, climbed to 6000ft AGL and vectored directly towards ME... the entire time (Im assuming we were spotted from the ground and they scrambled)

- I spotted them +10nm away and just kept watch.

- From 8-5nm I maintained HDG and ALT while calling flight to attack nearest air targets. No response from flightmates.

- At 3nm I go defensive changing engine to Climb settings and turn towards the ME109s with descending attitude, hopefully to close distance and wreck their closing angle.

- Dogfight ensues. Now the entire time I am pretty much spanning in 10sec intervals:

    1) Attack nearest Air target

    2) Cover Me

    3) Patrol Area (threw this on in, because Ive witnessed an AI response from it before... once)

 

As the track shows, flightmates are completely useless, totally unresponsive.
AI flightmates just circle overhead, one getting rekt, while they watch me below.

 

*feedback on my dogfighting also welcome - yes, I know I have closure issues and angle-off shooting nubbery*

 

- I run out of ammo and disengage (hoping remaining ME109 will unable to pursue due to damage). AI still doing nothing. Im still regularly issuing the above mentioned flightlead orders.

- I cross the front line, spot the incoming ME109 flight at my 2oClock-High "Yup, mission scrubbed. No surviving this..." and I 180-dive to return over friendly lines and bail out. No way im gonna outrun that rubbish. Enemy AI will shoot me down, following me allllll the way back to base if they have to.

- Make it over friendly lines and bail out - another aircraft thrown away, but at least im alive.

- All enemy AI instantly disengage, one tailing me from initial engagement picks off the sole remainder of my flight.

 

Retarded - DEVs pls fix AI.

Depending on feedback, I may continue posts like these to provide evidence-based player feedback on AI performance in the hopes that it may be improved.

 

CAREER1_FLT-LEAD_Bombing-Vehicle-Column_UselessAI_1.txt.zip.acmi

 

Cheers,

ebe-a51

[AEthelraedUnraed]

12 hours ago, ebe-a51 said:

Ive been told that the best thing to do about daft AI, is to post evidence of it. So here we go!

Did they also tell you the following:

- Please keep your attitude at home. No need for smartassery. A better attitude as well as less leetspeak tends to get your point across better.

- As you've noted yourself, your chosen method of download is less than ideal, especially since it requires you to leave your personal details. If it's a file of less than 5MB, you can just zip it and attach to the post. Otherwise, there's a couple of file servers that don't require personal details to download. I use mediafire.

- Please post a track file instead of a tacview file.

- Please attach the mission. As AI behaviour is a combination of the AI itself and mission scripting, everything you've said means literally nothing without the mission file.

[Thad]

Yea, but what if attitude is all you got?  ?

[ebe-a51]

5 hours ago, AEthelraedUnraed said:

Did they also tell you the following:

- Please keep your attitude at home. No need for smartassery. A better attitude as well as less leetspeak tends to get your point across better.

- As you've noted yourself, your chosen method of download is less than ideal, especially since it requires you to leave your personal details. If it's a file of less than 5MB, you can just zip it and attach to the post. Otherwise, there's a couple of file servers that don't require personal details to download. I use mediafire.

- Please post a track file instead of a tacview file.

- Please attach the mission. As AI behaviour is a combination of the AI itself and mission scripting, everything you've said means literally nothing without the mission file.

 

To address your post:

- Im not being a smartass, when posting what players consider bugs, people want evidence of it so they can use it to troubleshoot or comment. The descriptive rundown is to give context to the file so people dont just sit there trying to figure out whats specifically going on/what im talking about.

- Ill use a different fileshare system (didnt need to signup, no adds) - file was about +10mb from memory. I tried to break it up in to 5mb chunks over a few posts but its a pain because in Tacview time doesnt equal size.

- Ill post a track file instead - cheers... however they are considerably larger (Tacview = 20mb, IL-2 Track = 512mb)

- Mission was a generated career mission. I dont know if they have a dedicated file created for each mission? Ive done some forum searching to find if they do but I cant find anything.

 

Cheers for response.

[Sitaro]

I am not seeing attitude in his post. If you are referring to the use of the word "daft", that is not attitude. It is simply a descriptive adjective to explain the purpose of his post. People are getting way too

sensitive. 

 

Edited April 30, 2022 by Sitaro

[Yogiflight]

On 4/26/2022 at 7:27 AM, ebe-a51 said:

and I 180-dive to return over friendly lines and bail out. No way im gonna outrun that rubbish. Enemy AI will shoot me down, following me allllll the way back to base if they have to.

I am usually flying the Bf 110 E2 in career mode, so an aircraft, definitely slower and less manoeuvrable than the Russian fighters. I never bail out if they chase me back to my base. Stay below tree top level and don't fly straight all the time, then they rarely will attack you and if they do, they rarely will hit anything than ground. It only gets dangerous, when you have to fly over a forest, then you have to turn a bit more, so they don't get a clear shooting solution. If they don't turn back home before you reach your airfield, you can try to use your AA defense to get a kill, or make a low level landing. Even when my 110 is heavily damaged by AAA, I make it back that way, except I become careless and touch the ground. The AI can't attack low flying aircrafts and even when I have landed at my airbase, I have not been killed for a long time.

The Moscow map is a bit tricky for this, because of the lots of forests, but it is doable.

[SAS_Storebror]

On 5/1/2022 at 11:32 AM, Yogiflight said:

The AI can't attack low flying aircrafts

 

...which essentially just describes another major AI shortcoming and the way to exploit it.

Dare I mention that we've been in the same situation with IL-2 1946 a few years ago?

The major difference was that we were able to solve it. As modders that is. The official game still suffers from this.

 

Mike

[dureyo]

AI is uberly horrendous. They sometimes don't engage enemies at all watch you fight and die vs 5 other planes, the radio coms aren't useful in any way compared to 46, you can't command them at all to attack specific ground or air targets, they just drop 500kg bombs on anti air guns (omegalul), AA guns aim like laser guided rockets, game slows down because of engine lag  if you have a a bomber flight of 6 and few fighters on both sides, damage model is absolutely laughable, wing's can't rip unless explosions or high G turn on a damaged wing, if your aim is semi-decent every plane with a wing tank will explode in 9/10 cases, ditching and midair collisions are broken instantenously killing pilots in the most unrealistic ways where it shouldn't happen, netcode in multiplayer amplifies all of those issues even harder so say hello to headons where a guy is gonna crash into you and live while you get to respawn. 

All of that i write just in 1 minute off the top of my head. 



Forget trying to convince forum boomers that anything is broken, doesen't matter how obivously you proof it to them. They'll just troll you like they did here with useless attitude comments.