Are the cross country speeds of the tanks accurate?

[BlitzPig_EL]

It certainly seems to me that the speeds of tanks, all of them, are artificially hampered when putting so much as a finger's width of track off the side of a road.  Ditto for running across flat ground.  The brain tells me this isn't right.  

 

Of course this wouldn't be the first time I've been wrong, far from it, but we are talking about tracked vehicles that are designed to go cross country.  I could understand it on some of the very uneven terrain that hilly areas of maps have, but moving across vast, flat, steppe?

 

Nope, not buying it.

[ShampooX]

I researched the T34 (because I couldn't believe it was so fast) and the PZIV speeds.  They were very accurate against the information I found on line.  Actually War Thunder gets this part of their game pretty correct, and thier speeds are similar - probably based on the same source material.  No matter how flat the ground, it's softness compared to road or hardball MSR-like travel is always going to be slower due to increased undulations in the suspension and friction increased by sinking in to the earth.  I think from what I see it's about 40% slower XC vs. Road in general on the Panzers which seems about right.

[Yogiflight]

TBH, I do see more the opposite issue. The roads in Russia, outside of larger towns areas were not what we would call a road today, but more tracks, built by coaches and trucks, moving the same way for decades. Everyone knows the pictures of German vehicles stuck on the so called roads during the mud period. Tanks were certainly not able to move with road speed on those tracks, even when dry. Not to talk about snowy roads in winter.

[moustache]

Mmmh, from personal experience, if a track, even in poor condition, is dry, it's quite easy to drive on it at a good speed... you just have to think about the cream for your little buttocks on arrival...

 

it would be precisely that there is more diversity in the effects of the ground on driving, such as muddy areas, where we get stuck, dry areas, producing more dust (making us more identifiable...), etc. , etc...

for snow, track extensions for German tanks should be introduced

[Yogiflight]

1 hour ago, moustache said:

Mmmh, from personal experience, if a track, even in poor condition, is dry, it's quite easy to drive on it at a good speed.

It depends. When you see the mud holes the vehicles get stuck in, you will have serious issues driving there with high speed, when the mud has dried. Of course apart from these holes you can drive faster than cross country, but still not as fast as on a concrete road.

Not to talk about trucks, which are way too fast in game, especially when under fire, you can see this in QMB, when firing at them with your tank, they accelerate in a way, even today's rallye trucks would have issues to follow.

[moustache]

1 hour ago, Yogiflight said:

you will have serious issues driving there with high speed

you have to slow down, of course, but between wheels and tracks, the impact will not be the same (weight distribution and surface in contact with the ground), and I assure you that you will not lose so much time and speed that that (we will slow down to avoid damaging the wheels, transmission and all that... and it depends on the depth and the length of the holes), and again I specify on a dry track... once the track is soaked Actually, that's another story.

[Yogiflight]

@moustacheThe statement you quoted was specifically for those mudholes, when dried. As you obviously also have experience with driving a tank, you know, you can't drive through such a hole after it has dried, with the same speed as on concrete road. You are certainly much faster than a truck and in heavy terrain. Also it heavily depends on the tank you are driving. Tanks like the T-34, with its Cristy's suspension, or the Panther and Tiger with their overlapping road wheels, don't have as much of a problem as a Panzer 3 or 4, or even the Sherman, with their twin wheel swing arm suspensions.

And don't forget, once there were a lot of vehicles moving on a muddy road, it gets worse and worse, which will stay after drying.

[moustache]

4 minutes ago, Yogiflight said:

As you obviously also have experience with driving a tank, you know, you can't drive through such a hole after it has dried, with the same speed as on concrete road.

I didn't say that... I'm talking to you about my experience of driving on the tracks of Liberia, in 4x4, out of the rainy season and the dry season... and yes sorry, but the difference is very marked. .. it's just logic... of course the comfort and speed won't be the same... and of course the differences in suspension, wheel positioning, track sizes and all that are take into account, I'm not saying the opposite...

16 minutes ago, Yogiflight said:

you can't drive through such a hole after it has dried

which hole?

you will not have the same holes all the time... a hole at the bottom of the valley will certainly be deeper and muddy, when the holes uphill or down the hill are more channels for the water that flows.. . a long hole will have less impact on your driving than a succession of small holes... and once in a dry period, the repeated passage of a vehicle in the same place filters the "road"...

 

and once again yes, to be clear, it will of course not be the same speed and comfort as on a concrete road, but we don't end up riding at a walk either...