New Pat Wilson CGs

[Majpalmer]

Versions 13.8.0, dated 22 April available. IL2 and Flying Circus. 

 

Pat Wilson Campaign Generator (pwcampaignmanager.com)

Edited April 23, 2022 by Majpalmer
Added content.

[Majpalmer]

I'm seeing Gothas and HPs with this new release. 

 

My career is December 1917 so it's too late for the Triplanes. 

 

In fact, there actually aren't any German scouts in FC that flew against the Sopwith Triplanes on the present map. They were mostly replaced by Camels by the time the Germans introduced the D5a and the Pfalz D3as. I think a RNAS unit still flew Tripes late in 1917, but they were off map along the coast. 

 

I guess you could pretend that the DVa was a D3. But FC needs an earlier German Scout that was operational at the same time as the Triplane. 

[=IRFC=Gascan]

Looking forward to FC3 with its earlier planes. They'll probably finish up the FC2 map so they can officially complete FC2, then we'll probably find out about what FC3 will have. The DVa is a decent matchup for the Sopwith Tripe, though.

[Guest deleted@219798]

I pointed out sometime back that FC needed an Albatros DII or DIII to oppose the Pup and Triplane. The self appointed armchair experts on this forum were adamant that the DVa was used at the same time. No use arguing with these guys.

[Russkly]

7 hours ago, kestrel444x500 said:

I pointed out sometime back that FC needed an Albatros DII or DIII to oppose the Pup and Triplane. The self appointed armchair experts on this forum were adamant that the DVa was used at the same time. No use arguing with these guys.

 

I did a bunch of research on this a while back, because I felt the a/c choices in RoF and other WW1 flight sims did not reflect solely numbers and operational prevalence but also some amount of romaticism, e.g. only 152 Tripes were made and only 320 Dr.1s, but they always feature in games, sometimes at the expense of more numerous types.

 

The attached is drawn from many sources, but I can't claim it's 100% accurate ?.

 

According to what I found, both the Pup and the Tripe were in service at the same time as the D.Va, although the Pup was already on its way out at that point (RNAS squadrons replaced them with Tripes in mid-1917 as the D.Va came into service, but the RFC kept them in operation for longer, even though they were outclassed at that point).

 

The Tripes themselves remained in service with RNAS squadrons until late 1917 (never used by RFC, which took over the RNAS's SPADs when the Tripes arrived).

 

So, there was a window in mid-/late-1917 where all three types would have been operating in the same theatre. Whether or not they were in the same part of the front adn actually encountered each other is another quetion altogether, and I don't think I'll do the research to find out!

 

Hope this eases your frustration with the "self appointed armchair experts on this forum" ?.

Aircraft of WWI.zip

[Majpalmer]

Tripes reached the front in late 1916. The Germans were flying assorted aircraft at that time--some old Eindeckers, Fokker D2s, and the new Albatros D I and DII. The D III became operational in December 1916. 

 

FC begins about summer 1917. Camel replacements began about that time, which you see in FC. In Rise of Flight the Tripes have been replaced by Camels on the France map by the end of August. The DV version and the early Pfalz were operational in June and July, so there was a bit of overlap, but not much. 

 

At some point FC needs an earlier (pre-Alb DVA) German scout and some earlier two-seaters.

[Guest deleted@219798]

The point I made at the time was that there were no German fighters earlier than the DVa to oppose early Entente planes. As there there was a already a DVa there was no need for DII or DIII. Figure that out.

[Russkly]

For where we are time-wise in FC1/2 (Summer 1917 onwards), the plane set looks OK to me.

 

Now, if we want to go back to late 1916/early 1917, then we will defintely need a new plane set, and to that I will look forward muchly: Pups, 1.5 Strutters, RE8s, FE2s, D.IIs, D.IIIs, N.17s, etc., etc.).

 

26 minutes ago, kestrel444x500 said:

The point I made at the time was that there were no German fighters earlier than the DVa to oppose early Entente planes. As there there was a already a DVa there was no need for DII or DIII. Figure that out.

 

Are you referring to early Entente planes already available? Are there any that pre-date entirely the D.Va?

[Guest deleted@219798]

Maybe the earlier Entente planes,  don't predate the the DVa, but they would be more likely to have been opposed by DII or DIII, not DVa.

[Majpalmer]

This is a Pat Wilson thread. If you try to start an RNAS campaign at the 1 June 1917 start date, the earliest possible, you have one option: RNAS 9 already flying Camels. The Triplane doesn't even show up in the available aircraft mix.  The HP and Gothas are there, but not the Tripe. 

 

We need either pre-Albatros DV/Pfalz DIII German scouts, or a larger map that extends to the Channel to get the Triplane into the career campaign. 

[453=SGII_Wotan]

Correct from what I can see, Sopwith triplane is not available in this version of the generator, as it cant be selected

[Majpalmer]

I started a career in Jasta 16B, 1 June 1917.  There is a tree line at the end of the field. I flew three sorties, with six aircraft in each. 

 

If you veer a bit to the right, you can clear the trees easily. Unfortunately, the AI flown Pfalzs don't make that adjustment and while most manage to climb high enough to clear the tree line, some do not. On the first sortie, one flew into the trees on takeoff; on the second none did; on the third two did. At that point I quit. 

 

I know this is another map problem that is beyond the PWCG.

 

But maybe Pat could relocate 16B?