Triplane tips?

[Talisman]

Hi Folks,

 

Any tips on how to fly the Triplane to the optimum in combat would be greatly appreciated.

 

Should I manage the engine like the Camel?

 

Max rpm?

 

Max dive speed?

 

Climb turn left and dive turn right maybe?

 

I have been searching the internet for information but not much joy so far.

 

P.S.  Does having the second optional gun effect flying performance?

 

Happy landings,

 

Talisman

Edited April 21, 2022 by ACG_Talisman

[=LD=Brazo]

Yes manage it like the camel but it doesn’t seem quite so fragile or glass like. This maybe because it takes longer to hit 14-15k in the tripe than in the camel? 
 

In the camel any slight nose down and I throttle back a little bit this isn’t needed with the tripe. 
 

Yes take one gun and she’s lighter and performs better but higher accuracy needed in combat!!!

 

I find her a fun plane to fly and she’s very manoeuvrable but she’s no DR1 and whilst competitive against Albi’s I wouldn’t like to peck away at a D7 with one. 

Edited April 21, 2022 by 76SQN-Brazo

[RNAS10_Mitchell]

Jury still out for me on 1 gun vs 2.  Popular opinion is two guns noticeably effect manuverability.  Have not been able to independently verify that myself.  Top speed in level flight and climb rate?  I'm not seeing much if any difference (so far).

[RNAS10_Oliver]

5 hours ago, ACG_Talisman said:

Hi Folks,

 

Any tips on how to fly the Triplane to the optimum in combat would be greatly appreciated.

 

Should I manage the engine like the Camel?

 

Max rpm?

 

Max dive speed?

 

Climb turn left and dive turn right maybe?

 

I have been searching the internet for information but not much joy so far.

 

P.S.  Does having the second optional gun effect flying performance?

 

Happy landings,

 

Talisman

 

 

3 hours ago, 76SQN-Brazo said:

Yes manage it like the camel but it doesn’t seem quite so fragile or glass like. This maybe because it takes longer to hit 14-15k in the tripe than in the camel? 

 

Yeh for the engine it seems to be the same 1550-1600 limit on the tachometer as on the Camel (or maybe about 50 higher) though you do not have to baby your Clerget 9b in the Triplane. Your airspeed is going to cause problems for your control surfaces sooner than causing damage to engine. Its the same Clerget 9b engine in both aircraft therefore presume this means they have different propellers.

 

As for the dive speed it’s beyond what your instruments can indicate.

 

 

Edited April 21, 2022 by RNAS10_Oliver

[BlitzPig_EL]

When I first flew it I really felt that the second gun hampered climb performance.  Also I seem to be more accurate with the Tripe than any of the other aircraft in the sim, and have not felt the need for the second gun.  Maybe it's the really good visibility that the Triplane has?

[Talisman]

Many thanks for all of your replies folks. 

 

Happy landings,

 

Talisman

[BMA_Hellbender]

She's back! The real Triplane they took away from us with RoF 1.034. Coincidentally, I'm back as well.

 

I found a small bug with FFB, the elevator doesn't deflect downwards when there is no airflow over it: 

 

 

Edited April 25, 2022 by Hellbender

[J2_Trupobaw]

On 4/22/2022 at 1:34 PM, BlitzPig_EL said:

When I first flew it I really felt that the second gun hampered climb performance.  Also I seem to be more accurate with the Tripe than any of the other aircraft in the sim, and have not felt the need for the second gun.  Maybe it's the really good visibility that the Triplane has?

The single-gun Sopwith planes (Pup, Strutter) were incredibly accurate in RoF. No reason it would not be true for FC Tripehound.

[Avimimus]

On 4/22/2022 at 7:34 AM, BlitzPig_EL said:

When I first flew it I really felt that the second gun hampered climb performance.  Also I seem to be more accurate with the Tripe than any of the other aircraft in the sim, and have not felt the need for the second gun.  Maybe it's the really good visibility that the Triplane has?

 

That climb performance is really valuable too - one can sometimes leave a dogfight through out-climbing the opponent! Remarkable really.

 

The visibility is exceptional, and is improved through carrying just the one gun.

[BlitzPig_EL]

It was my favorite kite in RoF, and it remains so in FC.

 

I can't help but wonder how much better it would have been with another 20 or so BHP on tap.  But, no matter, I love her as she is.

[Rodwonder]

Excerpt from 'The Fighting Triplanes by Evan Hadingham'

 

     "The two disadvantages of the Sopwith Triplane were that it was underpowered and under-gunned. 

Tommy Sopwith told me that he had intended to fit the Bentley rotary in the triplane but it's availability

was delayed and as he was pressed by the Admiralty to produce the triplane, he had to forgo the Bentley

and fit the Clerget engines. Sopwith also considered fitting two guns on the triplane, but altered his mind

when he knew only the lower-powered Clerget could be used. Had the Sopwith Triplane appeared with

both the Bentley engine and two guns, the whole story of the life of the Triplane might have been quite 

different. As things were, both the Sopwith Triplane and later Fokker Triplane were the most maneuverable 

aircraft to appear on the Western Front in the 1914-18 War" 

 

It also was stated that climbing turns were used extensively against Albatros fighters... 

[BMA_Hellbender]

39 minutes ago, Rodwonder said:

Excerpt from 'The Fighting Triplanes by Evan Hadingham'

 

     "The two disadvantages of the Sopwith Triplane were that it was underpowered and under-gunned. 

Tommy Sopwith told me that he had intended to fit the Bentley rotary in the triplane but it's availability

was delayed and as he was pressed by the Admiralty to produce the triplane, he had to forgo the Bentley

and fit the Clerget engines. Sopwith also considered fitting two guns on the triplane, but altered his mind

when he knew only the lower-powered Clerget could be used. Had the Sopwith Triplane appeared with

both the Bentley engine and two guns, the whole story of the life of the Triplane might have been quite 

different. As things were, both the Sopwith Triplane and later Fokker Triplane were the most maneuverable 

aircraft to appear on the Western Front in the 1914-18 War" 

 

It also was stated that climbing turns were used extensively against Albatros fighters... 

 

At least there is some consistency in the inconsistency now.

 

We have the Fokker Dr.I and Fokker D.VIII both with 110hp (actually 120hp) Oberursel Ur.II with respectively ~1200 max static RPM (Dr.I top speed 165km/h ASL) and ~1400 max static RPM (D.VIII top speed 180km/h ASL).

 

With the Sopwith Triplane and Sopwith Camel both with 130hp Clerget 9B, they have respectively ~1200 max static RPM (Triplane top speed 180km/h ASL) and ~1400 max static RPM (Camel top speed 190km/h).

 

The obvious question is: what kind of beast would the Dr.I be with a static RPM similar to the D.VIII. Well, we know this already: it was the pre-1.034 Dr.I with a top speed of 180km/h. We also know that a Camel has a top speed of ~165km/h at ~1200 RPM... So now what would the top speed of the Triplane be with the same static RPM of ~1400 as the Camel? Around 200km/h?

 

In any case, the 130hp Clerget 9B also powered the anemic Sopwith 1+1/2 Strutter and initially the Fokker D.VIII was planned to be equipped with the Oberursel Ur.III, which never saw the light of day. Maybe we can say there is a clear distinction between a 1917 and a 1918 Clerget 9B, as well as the 1917 and 1918 Ur.II? No matter how you look at it: the way the Triplane airframe has been modeled in the sim it could be blazing fast if it had more power.

 

Really looking forward to the Sopwith Pup in FC Vol 3 (or 4) and whether it will be close in performance to the Nieuport 11 with the same 80hp Le Rhone 9C.

Edited April 26, 2022 by Hellbender

[Zooropa_Fly]

1 hour ago, Rodwonder said:

Excerpt from 'The Fighting Triplanes by Evan Hadingham'

 

     "The two disadvantages of the Sopwith Triplane were that it was underpowered and under-gunned. 

Tommy Sopwith told me that he had intended to fit the Bentley rotary in the triplane but it's availability

was delayed and as he was pressed by the Admiralty to produce the triplane, he had to forgo the Bentley

and fit the Clerget engines. Sopwith also considered fitting two guns on the triplane, but altered his mind

when he knew only the lower-powered Clerget could be used. Had the Sopwith Triplane appeared with

both the Bentley engine and two guns, the whole story of the life of the Triplane might have been quite 

different. As things were, both the Sopwith Triplane and later Fokker Triplane were the most maneuverable 

aircraft to appear on the Western Front in the 1914-18 War" 

 

It also was stated that climbing turns were used extensively against Albatros fighters... 

 

Fingers crossed we get a future 'collector engine' release then... find out what might have been.

I'd pay a fiver for it.

 

S!

[BMA_FlyingShark]

On 4/25/2022 at 11:03 PM, Hellbender said:

She's back! The real Triplane they took away from us with RoF 1.034.

I had the same feeling when I finally had the chance to try her out this afternoon. She's back.

And good to see you back too.

Have a nice day.

 

Edited April 27, 2022 by FlyingShark

[jollyjack]

With one or two guns and shooting a Dr1 straight up it's arse, this Triplane seems harmless. But it's a joy to use for flyby tourism ...

Wanna give it a try?: QMB generated: SopT vx Dr1 v1.zip

[BlitzPig_EL]

Interesting, on my server with missions I run for us I have found the Triplane to be my most deadly weapon.

[HagarTheHorrible]

One small change, that would require minimal effort on the part of the developers, in order to make the single gunned Tripe properly competitive in a 1918 environment is the fitting of a Hazelton muzzle booster, but for some reason, best known to the developers, this small, almost insignificant change, hasn’t been included.  It seems bizarre that a 1917 era Scout is included in a 1918 plane set without at the very least giving it all the boosts it actually commonly had in 1917 let alone 1918.

 

Of course we know why they won’t , after all it wouldn’t do to have some aircraft STRONGER than others ?

Edited May 5, 2022 by HagarTheHorrible