Game version 4.704 discussion: Sopwith Triplane and some improvements

[=FI=Genosse]

Folks,

just noticed this after landing my aircraft in a multiplayer mission: the marks of the wheels look a bit dodgy.

This is new to me after the latest patch ...

Gen

[Ala13_UnopaUno_VR]

1 hour ago, =FI=Genosse said:

Amigos,

acabo de notar esto después de aterrizar mi avión en una misión multijugador: las marcas de las ruedas se ven un poco poco fiables.

Esto es nuevo para mi despues del ultimo parche...

Gen

 

You edited wrong mission, user summer preset, not winter. 

Edited April 21, 2022 by Ala13_UnopaUno_VR

[Crockett]

I flamed two different Albatross D-5's & the fires really looked good! Love flying the Tripe! I've got Windows 10 too and no problems so far! Thanks for all the continued support and updates!

[=FI=Genosse]

2 hours ago, Ala13_UnopaUno_VR said:

You edited wrong mission, user summer preset, not winter. 

Thanks, mate! 

[LP1888]

Does this update help with stutters? 

[BlitzPig_EL]

What stutters?

[Styx13]

Keep up the good work. 

 

Get a bit better FP in VR, the individual letters on the new planes are great (hope it will be automatic depending on the give squad). 

 

Please do not forget the BoN projekt and try to improve the AI and comm system in WWII modules.  

[Jabo_68*]

I noticed the rocket smoke trails don't linger anymore.  Is that a deliberate change or not?

[Vortice]

8 hours ago, LP1888 said:

Does this update help with stutters? 

 

No, please consult a speech therapist if you're currently experiencing difficulties.

 

There's only so much the development team can do for us.

[RNAS10_Mitchell]

Game freeze on exit seems to have stopped...?

 

 

[SYN_Ricky]

On 4/21/2022 at 6:09 AM, =FI=Genosse said:

Folks,

just noticed this after landing my aircraft in a multiplayer mission: the marks of the wheels look a bit dodgy.

This is new to me after the latest patch ...

Gen

I think that happens if the time is set on winter on the Arras map, as there's no winter textures yet everything is green except the wheel marks on the ground which display the white winter texture ?

Edited April 22, 2022 by SYN_Ricky

[SCG_Tzigy]

16 hours ago, RNAS10_Mitchell said:

Game freeze on exit seems to have stopped...?

 

 

Will see tonight... last time it exited ok, seems to freeze briefly and exits w a mouse movement...

[RNAS10_Mitchell]

38 minutes ago, SCG_Tzigy said:

Will see tonight... last time it exited ok, seems to freeze briefly and exits w a mouse movement...

Agreed, and also noticed mouse effect.

On 4/21/2022 at 10:13 AM, LP1888 said:

Does this update help with stutters? 

I would guess if the game stutters, you either are exceeding the capability of your GPU, or CPU.  Try setting graphics to extreme low settings..  if stutters go away, it's your GPU.   If not, while still at low graphics settings, try launching single player flight with only one plane, no ai, no ground targets.  If stutters go away, your CPU is not up to the task.  Could be other things running in background are eating up your CPU .

 

Probably should stop calling people names btw.  

Edited April 22, 2022 by RNAS10_Mitchell

[YoYo]

On 4/19/2022 at 11:29 PM, Jason_Williams said:

Because you don’t understand the nature of the issue. We have to modify 50+ models. It has nothing to do with effects. Takes time and resources I need to stay on schedule.

 

Jason

Thank you, Im waiting for the fix too. I see also this nuclear shine (its very visible in VR).

On 4/21/2022 at 6:09 AM, =FI=Genosse said:

Folks,

just noticed this after landing my aircraft in a multiplayer mission: the marks of the wheels look a bit dodgy.

This is new to me after the latest patch ...

Gen

Right, Arras map, the same.

[AEthelraedUnraed]

3 hours ago, YoYo said:

Right, Arras map, the same.

And two different people have already given the solution

 

The writer of the mission has used the wrong season settings. Please contact the server admin.

[IckyATLAS]

15. Simple ground vehicles and ships will correctly engage the targets assigned by MCU_CMD_AttackTarget command with High priority;

 

Here is the scenario:

 

I have an AI Tiger German Tank that arrives at an airbase. In this airbase are stationed one or two A20 and one or two B25. This airbase has no defenses and the Tiger is king.

The Tank which is a vehicle will not attack and ignore completely the planes, and even if the MCU Command Attack Target with High Priority is set with an Object link to the Tiger and Target link to the A20 or the B25. In both cases nothing happens. In such a scenario the tank should quickly dispatch the planes which are valuable assets.

Something is not working here.

[JimTM]

1 hour ago, IckyATLAS said:

15. Simple ground vehicles and ships will correctly engage the targets assigned by MCU_CMD_AttackTarget command with High priority;

 

Here is the scenario:

 

I have an AI Tiger German Tank that arrives at an airbase. In this airbase are stationed one or two A20 and one or two B25. This airbase has no defenses and the Tiger is king.

The Tank which is a vehicle will not attack and ignore completely the planes, and even if the MCU Command Attack Target with High Priority is set with an Object link to the Tiger and Target link to the A20 or the B25. In both cases nothing happens. In such a scenario the tank should quickly dispatch the planes which are valuable assets.

Something is not working here.

 

Please post a zip of your mission files. Would this be better under Technical Issues and Bug Reports?

Edited April 23, 2022 by JimTM

[AEthelraedUnraed]

13 minutes ago, IckyATLAS said:

15. Simple ground vehicles and ships will correctly engage the targets assigned by MCU_CMD_AttackTarget command with High priority;

 

Here is the scenario:

 

I have an AI Tiger German Tank that arrives at an airbase. In this airbase are stationed one or two A20 and one or two B25. This airbase has no defenses and the Tiger is king.

The Tank which is a vehicle will not attack and ignore completely the planes, and even if the MCU Command Attack Target with High Priority is set with an Object link to the Tiger and Target link to the A20 or the B25. In both cases nothing happens. In such a scenario the tank should quickly dispatch the planes which are valuable assets.

Something is not working here.

I think they've configured the tank AI to not use their main gun on aircraft. That's not what tanks are usually used for really, barring rare raids such as Tatsinskaya. In pretty much any normal situation, they shouldn't use their main gun against aircraft as that's just a waste of ammo.

[=FI=Genosse]

On 4/22/2022 at 8:59 AM, SYN_Ricky said:

I think that happens if the time is set on winter on the Arras map, as there's no winter textures yet everything is green except the wheel marks on the ground which display the white winter texture ?

 

I just experienced it for the first time while flying a COOP mission created with PWCG on a mate's server. I'm going to tell him about it.

Thank you, Ricky!

[IckyATLAS]

13 hours ago, AEthelraedUnraed said:

I think they've configured the tank AI to not use their main gun on aircraft. That's not what tanks are usually used for really, barring rare raids such as Tatsinskaya. In pretty much any normal situation, they shouldn't use their main gun against aircraft as that's just a waste of ammo.

This could be an acceptable answer against fighters. In this case the machine gun should engage the aircraft. But even the machine gun remains completely silent.

 

Consequence an AI driven Tiger tank platoon has no way to destroy bombers on an enemy airbase. That's pretty "unrealistic" isn't it? Between choosing to use a shell against another tank or an A20 I would think about it. The bomb load and destruction that a few A20 or B25 could do is worth a few shells coming from a platoon no?

 

 

[AEthelraedUnraed]

57 minutes ago, IckyATLAS said:

This could be an acceptable answer against fighters. In this case the machine gun should engage the aircraft. But even the machine gun remains completely silent.

Yes, a swiveled machine gun such as on the Sherman should attack aircraft, IMO.

 

58 minutes ago, IckyATLAS said:

Consequence an AI driven Tiger tank platoon has no way to destroy bombers on an enemy airbase. That's pretty "unrealistic" isn't it? Between choosing to use a shell against another tank or an A20 I would think about it. The bomb load and destruction that a few A20 or B25 could do is worth a few shells coming from a platoon no?

I would counter that attacking an airbase with tanks is pretty unrealistic in itself Especially bombers were not usually located close enough to the front to realistically drive tanks there before the aircraft could be evacuated. I can think of only the Tatsinskaya raid where tanks raided an airfield and engaged aircraft using direct fire with their main gun. I cannot rule out that there were others, especially in cases where forward airfields extremely close to the front lines were in use (Kalinin, the final days of Stalingrad, possibly others), but those are exception rather than the rule.

[IckyATLAS]

17 hours ago, JimTM said:

 

Please post a zip of your mission files. Would this be better under Technical Issues and Bug Reports?

Here you have it. It is just a simple mission file .mission on standard Lapino winter map.

Test Tanks VS Bombers.zip

There is no player. After starting the mission just type F12 and you will see the mission area. Then type F11 and go wherever you like.

The problem is I do not know if it is a bug or it has been made so willingly.

I Also tried using the Command AttackArea with parameters Attack Ground and Air Targets ticked, but it did not work either.

 

[Vishnu]

Wow! So many fine details fixed and adjusted.   Love the passion to detail!

On 4/21/2022 at 7:13 AM, LP1888 said:

Does this update help with stutters? 

6. Additional optimization of the landscape rendering system reduced the potential stutters while moving on the map;

[vincentmoy]

I have the end game freeze issue as well. Win 10.

 

When I click "finish game" after a mission, 90% of times it'll freeze. Mouse won't work nor shift+tab or ctrl+alt+del. But after about a min or 2 it'll eventually quit the mission and back to main menu and everything will be fine until I finish another mission...

[RNAS10_Mitchell]

6 hours ago, vincentmoy said:

I have the end game freeze issue as well. Win 10.

 

When I click "finish game" after a mission, 90% of times it'll freeze. Mouse won't work nor shift+tab or ctrl+alt+del. But after about a min or 2 it'll eventually quit the mission and back to main menu and everything will be fine until I finish another mission...

Had that issue as well, but with time it seems to have resolved itself.   No idea why.  Moving the mouse around while frozen seemed to have some effect for me.  

Edited April 26, 2022 by RNAS10_Mitchell

[=SqSq=SignorMagnifico]

On 4/20/2022 at 10:09 PM, =FI=Genosse said:

Folks,

just noticed this after landing my aircraft in a multiplayer mission: the marks of the wheels look a bit dodgy.

This is new to me after the latest patch ...

Gen

This is because the mission is probably set in winter, but the winter version of the Arras map has not yet been released. It causes some weird terrain things.

[Blitzen]

4 hours ago, RNAS10_Mitchell said:

Had that issue as well, but with time it seems to have resolved itself.   No idea why.  Moving the mouse around while frozen seemed to have some effect for me.  

I had multiple screen freezes in the laast couple of months, & after much frustrating time trying to fix it, I was able to track down my problems to a wonderful utility called Neck Saver (

. Unfortunately this tool was causing all my problems. Hopefully there will be a version or work around that will solve the problem. Check and see if thi s might be part of your problem?

[Jade_Monkey]

On 4/19/2022 at 12:59 PM, dino_soars said:

33. Aircraft lists in the Mission Editor are sorted correctly (alphabetically)

 

This probably makes me happier than it should. Thanks!

 

 

It's scary how well i could find the planes before, the list had no logical order but i had a Spidey sense of roughly where each plane was in the list.

 

Definitely a good change though.

[Gambit21]

3 minutes ago, Jade_Monkey said:

 

 

It's scary how well i could find the planes before, the list had no logical order but i had a Spidey sense of roughly where each plane was in the list.

 

Definitely a good change though.

I didn’t - drive me nucking futs.

[vincentmoy]

1 hour ago, Blitzen said:

I had multiple screen freezes in the laast couple of months, & after much frustrating time trying to fix it, I was able to track down my problems to a wonderful utility called Neck Saver (

. Unfortunately this tool was causing all my problems. Hopefully there will be a version or work around that will solve the problem. Check and see if thi s might be part of your problem?

I don't have this installed. My problem started after the new update...

[THERION]

2 hours ago, Jade_Monkey said:

It's scary how well i could find the planes before, the list had no logical order but i had a Spidey sense of roughly where each plane was in the list.

 

Nah, it's not scary, mate. It's just a simple fact that you're getting old... believe me, I know what I'm talking about.

[AEthelraedUnraed]

3 hours ago, Jade_Monkey said:

It's scary how well i could find the planes before, the list had no logical order but i had a Spidey sense of roughly where each plane was in the list.

They were more or less sorted by their release date (actually, I think probably the date that development started for that particular plane). With a few exceptions, but if you knew when a plane was released, it made it easier to guess its location.

 

58 minutes ago, THERION said:

Nah, it's not scary, mate. It's just a simple fact that you're getting old... believe me, I know what I'm talking about.

Age has got nothing to do with it. I'm 31 and I too had this sense of where to find certain planes. 31 isn't old, is it?

 

...Is it? Do I need to buy a Porsche and get married now??

Edited April 26, 2022 by AEthelraedUnraed

[PB0_Roll]

I had a wife, a kid and a monospace at your age, too old to drive a porsche as it should be driven, too young to pay for it.

 

You're late, but indeed still young, enjoy it as you can ?

 

However, some are born old farts, some never reach any maturity, so who knows ?

[kendo]

Not listed in the changes, but looks to me like the clouds have been subtly tweaked in this version (lighting + shape).

 

Just for feedback purposes - I think they looked better before.

Edited April 27, 2022 by kendo

[Jason_Williams]

1 hour ago, kendo said:

Not listed in the changes, but looks to me like the clouds have been subtly tweaked in this version (lighting + shape).

 

Just for feedback purposes - I think they looked better before.

We haven’t changed the clouds at all.

 

Jason

[Bilbo_Baggins]

3 hours ago, kendo said:

Not listed in the changes, but looks to me like the clouds have been subtly tweaked in this version (lighting + shape).

 

Just for feedback purposes - I think they looked better before.

 

Clouds still look fantastic this end (only an i3 6100, GTX1660) and it runs well. Hands down one of the best changes made to the game recently. Really enjoy experimenting with the different cloud types and densities.

Edited April 27, 2022 by Bilbo_Baggins

[THERION]

13 hours ago, AEthelraedUnraed said:

...Is it? Do I need to buy a Porsche and get married now??

 

No, calm down, you have another 20 years to go, before midlife crisis strikes you and you start doing silly things

like buying a Porsche or a Harley Davidson with a sissy to get back some rock' n' roll in your life... 

[kendo]

11 hours ago, Jason_Williams said:

We haven’t changed the clouds at all.

 

Jason

 

Seems I'm not immune to that old fake placebo response that sometimes afflicts us lot ?

 

Was trying to puzzle if changes had been made and thought they had. Agree, they do still look great either way.

 

[BlitzPig_EL]

The new clouds are still stunning, and never fail to make me pause and just enjoy them.  All the incremental changes over the years have been great, but those clouds, damn... Just amazing.

[Avimimus]

16 minutes ago, kendo said:

 

Seems I'm not immune to that old fake placebo response that sometimes afflicts us lot ?

 

Was trying to puzzle if changes had been made and thought they had. Agree, they do still look great either way.

 

 

I keep noticing 'new' features myself. Then I recall that no update has come out! ? I think it is a testament to the quality and richness of the sim.

 

 

  

Just now, BlitzPig_EL said:

The new clouds are still stunning, and never fail to make me pause and just enjoy them.  All the incremental changes over the years have been great, but those clouds, damn... Just amazing.

 

I went for a month where I'd keep getting shot down because I'd forget I was in a dogfight partway through... end up gawking at the clouds. I think they are the best looking in any sim.