Saitek X52 Pro or X55 Rhino?

[DeckardThrustmaster]

Hello everyone,

 

I have recently bought Saitek X52 Pro from Amazon (I have 30 days to return it). The joystick is working fine and I have no problems with it. I am not impressed with the precision of this joystick. I do not see a big difference between my old Logitech Extreme 3D pro and the X52 pro (in terms of precision).

 

 

Have anyone used X55 and X52 pro? Can someone please tell me if I should return the X52 Pro and get the X55? Is there a difference in the precision mechanism of those 2 joysticks? The reason i did not get X55 in the first place is because of some negative reviews on Amazon and Newegg.

 

All answers are greatly apprecited . Thank you very much.

[Silverback]

I have both and the X55 is vastly superior to x52 pro.

[DeckardThrustmaster]

Thank you for your responses. No, i have not tried that software because I do not have the X55, only X52 pro, so i would have nothing to compare it to....Silverback, can you be more specific regarding how the x55 is superior to x52 pro? Can you give the details? Thank you all

[DeckardThrustmaster]

No need for being sorry It is me who is a dummy here lol. I will compare it . Great idea! Thank you! My Logitech at my other house. I will get back in a few days and do just that. Thanks a lot ! This is brilliant !

I forgot to ask you. What stick are you using? What are you settings for Noise FIlter , Sensitivies for each axis? Are you using deadzones? Are you using TRACK IR or a mouse to look around. Unfortunately I am playing on a 46 inch regular TV (LCD) and it is 12 feet between me and the screen. I had to return the TRACK IR - did not have the range. I am thinking once the Oculus RIft (full consumer version ) comes out, i will build a new gaming rig and get it. For now I am using the HAT switch to look around and it sucks. Do you have any suggestions for me? Thank you again. Sorry for so many questions. I am a complete noob in the flight sim department and want to learn quickly

[Silverback]

  Alright this is why I think the X55 is better than the X52. Starting with the throttle. The 55 was two separate throttles (great for multi engine planes), the 52 has one. In addition the 55 has 5 more axis's. That's enough to control mixture, prop pitch, rudder trim, aileron trim and elevator trim (analog flight control trims are not available in this sim yet). Instead of ten buttons on the 52 you get seven two position toggle switches (14 separate functions X3) the list goes on and on. I think the throttle by itself is worth the 200 Bucks. As for the stick it has a few more buttons but the big thing is the hall sensors, witch make the 55 a lot more accurate. The interchangeable friction springs are a cool feature too. Anyway I hope this helps.

 Best thing to do is look at the X55 at the Saitek web site and make your own choice. But in my opinion the 55 is way better than the 52. 

[SeriousFox]

X55 has good accuracy, so you can control aircraft better.

 

But I think X52 Pro's design is more suitable for WW2 simulator.

[Silverback]

Sorry resmaniabut I have to disagree. The X52 is more for space sims and X55 is for aircraft combat. To each his own.

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

The X-52 Pro also uses hall sensors and as far as I know and isn't technicly that different form the X-55 actually. I'm not sure I like the x-55's button layout on the joystick either but that may be a matter of taste.

 

Also throttle has been reported to have some certain issue so far so you might want to read some impressions about it first. As for me the transition isn't worth it as I'm very happy with my X-52 Pro (which is already more than 2 years in service) so I'll keep the X-55 as a long term replacement option.

Edited July 21, 2014 by [Jg26]5tuk4

[BeastyBaiter]

Haven't tried the X-55 but the X-52 Pro is very durable and accurate. Had mine a good 7 years or so. The issue with the budget Logitech sticks isn't their initial precision, but the durability. I think I burned through 3-4 3d pro's over the course of 5-6 months before making the switch to an X-45, which lasted a few years of heavy use. I made the switch to the X-52 Pro after the X-45 broke. Another big advantage of course is the throttle. That's really half the price you're paying and the real difference between the X-52 and the X-55. And yes, the X-52 Pro uses hall sensors on at least the main stick. It may use pots on the sliders and rotaries. I'm not sure on that but if it does, they are much more durable than anything Logitech uses.

Edited July 21, 2014 by =LD=King_Hrothgar

[Finkeren]

I recently bought the X55 to replace my broken X52, and so far I'm happy with it. Even though it's still mostly plastic design, it feels a lot more sturdy and sits much more firmly on any surface (no suction cups needed - though there are still holes to fit it with screws). The accuracy is better by a large margin and the 4 different springs makes it easy to get the right feel on the stick right away. It has a s***load of buttons and enough rotaries and hat switches to suit almost any need.

 

Overall the X55 is a huge step forward for me, but there are downsides:

 

1. The stick isn't nearly as ergonomically pleasant as the X52. To reach all buttons can put a strain on especially your tumb. It isn't customizable for various hand sizes either.

 

2. While the metal flip switches are really nice and have a pleasant feel to them and the rotaries are vasly superior to the crude ones on the X52, many of the other buttons aren't nearly as pleasant as on the X52, they require more force and go down with an unpleasant suddenness (pressure, pressure, pressure "CLICK!"). Especially the trigger seems a bit clunky and I find myself missing the incredibly soft, smooth two-stage trigger in the X52.

 

3. While the X55 offers far more buttons than you could ever use in BoS, The complete lack of sliders is a downer. I really, really miss the convenient thumb slider on the throttle of the X52.

 

Still I won't hesitate to recommend the X55 over the X52. The benifits far outweigh the downsides.

Edited July 21, 2014 by Finkeren

[Sokol1]

The 55 was two separate throttles (great for multi engine planes), the 52 has one. In addition the 55 has 5 more axis's.

 

Is not 6 axis at all on X-55 throttle?:

 

2 throttles

2 rotaries in right grip

2 rotaries on base

 

 

seven two position toggle switches (14 separate functions X3) the list goes on and on.

 

Since this already get some early buyers upset - as they expected a real "toggle switch" -  X-55 throttle have seven two position momentary switches (they already return to center, like a HAT).*

 

* This is not a big deal since this game is not designed for use "toggle switch's", is designed for key/button press what is equal to momentary switch's.

Seems some functions in DCS series are designed for "toggle switch's".

 

 

... X-52 Pro uses hall sensors on at least the main stick. It may use pots on the sliders and rotaries.

 

In this aspect both HOTAS are equivalent, HALL sensor in joystick X and Y axis, potentiometers on rudder, throttle(s) and in rotaries.

Is said that X-55 HALL sensor is the same Melexis Triaxis used in Warthog/T.16000-M, what means a improvement over X-52 what HALL sensors is blamed to have poor linearity due bad placement of magnets.

 

Sokol1

[DeckardThrustmaster]

Thank you guys for all the responses. I really apprecitate your help. I am still "deciding" whether to keep my X52 Pro or return it and buy the X55. Another gentelman on the Elite Dangerous forum suggested that there are rumors that the quality control of the X55 is bad and they stopped the production to fix the issues. Whether it true or not, i do not know. However, the first batch of joysticks (or any hardware) is usually not the best one. I think i will use my X52 pro and replace it with X55 sometime in the future.

[JG1_HignRig]

Hello Deckard,

 

I used the X52 with great pleasure and even more after I modified the magnets inside the housing as descibed in: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfJNiHmEszk.

It became much faster and more accurate response to the stick movements than before. Beware off this mod cause you might loose the warranty. (still I would recommend this)

 

Now I use the X55 and like Silverback is saying the double throttle and the extra springs, POV's, buttons, switches and rotaries makes it a very useful combination. The throttle is much smoother than with the X52.

The only disadvantage so far is what I call the bomb release button, on the X52 it has a cover so you can't push it by accident, the X55 does not have this protection.

So if you intend to fly multiple engine A/C go for the X55, if not stay with the X52 and modify it.

 

Heinrich

[-TBC-AeroAce]

I have used both and IMO I believe in terms of recognisable accuracy in terms of the stock they are almost inseparable the x55 being mm ahead. I like the 52 stick better and 55 throttle as it has more functionality. So for me it's really comes down to cost, unless u are really keen to do multi engine flying I would stick with the 52 or maybe just buy the 55 throttle (don't know if u can or if they would even work together but that would be my ideal)

[sialo]

i have the x55 and im having trouble mapping buttons to work in this game as there is no instructions precise enough on how to use the software . when i program 2 button presses ie  ctrl +1  the controller just doesnt seem to work  , you hit the send button but nothing happens in game . i have to use the in game menu for controls which is annoying as i cant use the 3 modes . this happens with every game ive tried to use this controller with . has anyone had this problem or do i have a faulty controller  thanks

[Breezy1]

i have the x55 and im having trouble mapping buttons to work in this game as there is no instructions precise enough on how to use the software . when i program 2 button presses ie  ctrl +1  the controller just doesnt seem to work  , you hit the send button but nothing happens in game . i have to use the in game menu for controls which is annoying as i cant use the 3 modes . this happens with every game ive tried to use this controller with . has anyone had this problem or do i have a faulty controller  thanks

Hi,

 

I have been flying with the X55 for 5 months now (mostly D.C.S.). The programming can be tricky for multi-key bindings and continuous fire key presses (holds). The trick is to use the 'New Advanced Command' feature in the drop down, not the standard key bind option. Just play with the Advanced Commands option and keep testing after you have saved changes. Eventually, you will get the binds to work as you need them to.

[Jade_Monkey]

Hi,

I have been flying with the X55 for 5 months now (mostly D.C.S.). The programming can be tricky for multi-key bindings and continuous fire key presses (holds). The trick is to use the 'New Advanced Command' feature in the drop down, not the standard key bind option. Just play with the Advanced Commands option and keep testing after you have saved changes. Eventually, you will get the binds to work as you need them to.

 

Yes, that's the key. More specifically, you will need to set the keystrokes in a way that the Ctrl button is pressed Before the 1 and released after. Afaik, that can only be done with the Advanced Command feature as Breexy1 said.

If you record a regular macro or keystroke with Ctrl +1 then it will not work because the Ctrl will be released before the 1 is pressed and the game will only register the 1 since Ctrl by itself does nothing.

 

Take into account that when you press some keys, the release of keys is also recorded. So first record the following:

 

Then you must delete the key releases in the top line and the key presses on the bottom:

 

Finally, to make the command more responsive, you might want to reduce the delay in the bottom release part from 0.112 and 0.168 to something lower (but NOT zero). 0.1 and 0.13 respectively should be fine. You can do that by right clicking on them and select the last option, named Quantsize Time.

 

Hope that helps.

[Rapptor]

Hello pilots,

Have a X65 setup with Track IR, one of the few I'd suspect.

Will the X55 profiles work wih the X65 or do I have to make my own.

Also not looked at it , but the Joystick profile for The Improved Dover

should be close..Yes/No

 

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