56RAF_Roblex Posted April 16, 2022 Posted April 16, 2022 Fair enough. I would be happy to see either one of the remaining aircraft or the map released next though I suspect CIG want to keep the map back until the full release.
Lusekofte Posted April 16, 2022 Posted April 16, 2022 1 hour ago, Trooper117 said: I can't believe this forum sometimes... it's like a pack of wolves descending on a hapless animal that has dared to have a different opinion in 'their ' territory. Give the guy a break for gods sake. Just do like me, do not read. It is always just one or two, the rest is cool 5 hours ago, CrazyJow said: Honestly thank you for that response. As for pre-orders I was not aware of the length it would take to deliver or I would of personally waited. Future maybe in bold put something of a development timeline so we know before purchase. As for me I did not know. As for AI that is great news to hear. Maybe I miss read these or read over them unknowing. Either way thank you for the level and straight response. I do enjoy IL2 greatly, I am just frustrated by the things I've listed. Thanks Pete I do not think of it as a long wait, I bought BON for Typhoon, Mosquito, Razorback P 47, ME 410 JU 88 C I got 3 already. This is not the right place for complaints. Really it is not, one of the reasons your being met with a hostile tone, the other reason is your hostile attitude, now I am sure that is frustration. And we all been there, but this is not the topic to air it 1
Asgar Posted April 16, 2022 Posted April 16, 2022 (edited) 52 minutes ago, 56RAF_Roblex said: Fair enough. I would be happy to see either one of the remaining aircraft or the map released next though I suspect CIG want to keep the map back until the full release. I think for once CIG is not at fault for delays ? but don't worry, 3.17 is right around the corner ? ? ? Edited April 16, 2022 by Asgar 1
DN308 Posted April 16, 2022 Posted April 16, 2022 Nice pics. I would love to see the Utah beach ´26 as an official skin.
BCI-Nazgul Posted April 16, 2022 Posted April 16, 2022 (edited) 9 hours ago, 56RAF_Roblex said: Because building a twin-engine, multi-crew aircraft and making a proper cockpit and all the gunner stations is more than twice the work of making a fighter. To put it another way, if they had decided to start with a flyable B25 and B26 then we would not have any flyable Normandy fighters yet. The thing is that we don't need anymore fighters. All the major Soviet, German, British, and US fighters are available and many with most of the variants. The only exception I can thing of is the LA7. I'd much rather have some more bombers specially the heavies. So, your argument even if true doesn't hold much weight with me. Also, the damage model needs a lot of work IMO. More obsure fighter models is not going to make me a happier or a more satisfied customer. Edited April 16, 2022 by BCI-Nazgul 1
6./ZG26_Custard Posted April 16, 2022 Posted April 16, 2022 The B-26 looks glorious and like many folk on the forum, I genuinely hope that it will become flyable one day (and hopefully the B-25 too!) On the subject of "heavies" I know that this has been discussed so often on the forums but if we ever got a B-17 or Lancaster, even as AI that would be the icing on the cake. If we had big AI heavies for all the fighter "aces" to escort they may leave our little 110's alone for a bit! I don't want to sound negative but bombers seem to losing ground massively in the online environment, but that is a discussion for another part of the forum. 4
Avimimus Posted April 16, 2022 Posted April 16, 2022 1 hour ago, BCI-Nazgul said: The thing is that we don't need anymore fighters. All the major Soviet, German, British, and US fighters are available and many with most of the variants. The only exception I can thing of is the LA7. I'd much rather have some more bombers specially the heavies. So, your argument even if true doesn't hold much weight with me. Also, the damage model needs a lot of work IMO. More obsure fighter models is not going to make me a happier or a more satisfied customer. Well it will me. I've been flying sims for about 25 years, and aircraft like the IAR are more appealing to someone like me. The fact is that different things appeal to different people. Surprising isn't it? P.S. Honestly, I'm not sure if it'd be ideal if everything was made for me. I'm glad that there are other people, with different preferences, who produce a more rounded product that introduces me to things I haven't thought I'd like.
simfan2015 Posted April 16, 2022 Posted April 16, 2022 (edited) I firmly believe the choices made regarding theatres and planes (and tanks) is what makes il-2 GB such a fleshed out product that can serve as a European WWI and WWII history lesson... aka experience. That is why I love il-2 so much... Once BoN and FC2 and FC3 will be completed we will have the main story of airial Warfare in Russia and Europe. No other product does better in that regard. WWI FC... being icing on the cake. IMHO DCS WWII doesn't even come close (BTW I do love DCS WWII as well, yet for other reasons) Edited April 16, 2022 by simfan2015 2 1
Ribbon Posted April 16, 2022 Posted April 16, 2022 1 hour ago, BCI-Nazgul said: The thing is that we don't need anymore fighters. All the major Soviet, German, British, and US fighters are available and many with most of the variants. The only exception I can thing of is the LA7. I'd much rather have some more bombers specially the heavies. So, your argument even if true doesn't hold much weight with me. Also, the damage model needs a lot of work IMO. More obsure fighter models is not going to make me a happier or a more satisfied customer. I agree when it comes to current theatres of war and gameplay. PTO will be a different story! I too am fed up with current content and gameplay, after 5 expansions with pretty much identical gameplay only thing that will reopen my wallet will be b25, b26, PTO or some other naval focused battle. Time for a change and step up! 3
Cynic_Al Posted April 17, 2022 Posted April 17, 2022 On 4/15/2022 at 6:08 PM, Voyager said: Did not know the Tripe had a two gun setup. Whenever the Shuttleworth Sopwith Triplane flies at Old Warden, the commentators recount that certain WW1 pilots claim to have flown the plane with three guns mounted. Presumably this was for ground-attack work only. 1
BCI-Nazgul Posted April 17, 2022 Posted April 17, 2022 3 hours ago, simfan2015 said: Once BoN and FC2 and FC3 will be completed we will have the main story of airial Warfare in Russia and Europe. How can you say that when the ENTIRE strategic bombing campaign that the US and Britain conducted for the most of the war is basically absent due a lack of flyable four engine bombers? That was the reason for the existance of many of the fighters we have now. Right now, we're missing half the air war IMO. 1
76IAP-Black Posted April 17, 2022 Posted April 17, 2022 5 hours ago, BCI-Nazgul said: How can you say that when the ENTIRE strategic bombing campaign that the US and Britain conducted for the most of the war is basically absent due a lack of flyable four engine bombers? That was the reason for the existance of many of the fighters we have now. Right now, we're missing half the air war IMO. So lets play the other half ? 1
ST_Catchov Posted April 17, 2022 Posted April 17, 2022 7 hours ago, BCI-Nazgul said: lack of flyable four engine bombers? Perhaps they could experiment on a four engine bomber with two engine nacelles containing a push/pull thrust configuration such as the Zeppelin Staaken. That may over-ride the current issues with four separate engines and lead to a potential solution. I say this with no agenda. It is purely for the public good and development of FC the Great Battles series.
Deicide Posted April 18, 2022 Posted April 18, 2022 I want to thank the people who messaged me via inbox that I'm not alone in my thoughts and concerns. I learned a lot of new things I never knew before about this series that made a lot of sense. But just glad I'm not alone in of my feelings. Also its nice to know how this forum is. All 4 people who messaged me said 1 thing in common that I need to point out aside from agreeing with my statements. None of them reply or comment anymore and only lurk because of the people in the forum and how they gang up and attack anyone who speaks out or thinks differently than they do on this game. How the mods only ban people like myself but not those who attacked me because they are "loyal il2 members" as it was nicely put to me. BTW this thread is called "Developer diary discussion" If I shouldn't post my thoughts and concerns here, then where should I post them? because this seems like the correct place for that.. Remember gang if they think different than you they are WRONG 1
Asgar Posted April 18, 2022 Posted April 18, 2022 7 minutes ago, CrazyJow said: I want to thank the people who messaged me via inbox that I'm not alone in my thoughts and concerns. I learned a lot of new things I never knew before about this series that made a lot of sense. But just glad I'm not alone in of my feelings. Also its nice to know how this forum is. All 4 people who messaged me said 1 thing in common that I need to point out aside from agreeing with my statements. None of them reply or comment anymore and only lurk because of the people in the forum and how they gang up and attack anyone who speaks out or thinks differently than they do on this game. How the mods only ban people like myself but not those who attacked me because they are "loyal il2 members" as it was nicely put to me. BTW this thread is called "Developer diary discussion" If I shouldn't post my thoughts and concerns here, then where should I post them? because this seems like the correct place for that.. Remember gang if they think different than you they are WRONG the problem wasn't your critique, the problem was the way you offered your critique, in an agressive entitled tone. you showed 0 respect for the devs or their work and pretended like you've been waiting for 2 years and got nothing for your money which is plain wrong. 8
Deicide Posted April 18, 2022 Posted April 18, 2022 3 minutes ago, Asgar said: the problem wasn't your critique, the problem was the way you offered your critique, in an agressive entitled tone. you showed 0 respect for the devs or their work and pretended like you've been waiting for 2 years and got nothing for your money which is plain wrong. Aggressive? You attacked me first. I attack you back and get banned for 24 hours... No pretending, I have been waiting 2+ years and have still yet to receive the vehicle i solely bought it for. I don't see a mosquito fb in my hanger, do you? Just checked.. Nope. I didn't buy this pack for another 109/190/88 like I'm sure you did. I bought it for the mosquito fb, which I still don't have 2.5 years later so yeah.. they haven't delivered. No one would think 2+ years is okay of a wait for a product. Actually I have 4 different messages all agreeing on that fact. If i went and sold a game at 80 and said see ya in 2 years when it finished i would be sued. 2 1
firdimigdi Posted April 18, 2022 Posted April 18, 2022 2 minutes ago, CrazyJow said: If i went and sold a game at 80 and said see ya in 2 years when it finished i would be sued. I suppose that now, as a consumer, you know that Early Access/Pre-order programs are not suitable for you. Which is all good, just a pity you didn't know this before you went ahead and bought in to one. 4
56RAF_Roblex Posted April 18, 2022 Posted April 18, 2022 On 4/16/2022 at 8:48 PM, Asgar said: I think for once CIG is not at fault for delays ? but don't worry, 3.17 is right around the corner ? ? ? I see you own Star Citizen ? 2
Luftschiff Posted April 18, 2022 Posted April 18, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, CrazyJow said: I didn't buy this pack for another 109/190/88 like I'm sure you did. I bought it for the mosquito fb, which I still don't have 2.5 years later so yeah.. they haven't delivered. No one would think 2+ years is okay of a wait for a product. Actually I have 4 different messages all agreeing on that fact. If i went and sold a game at 80 and said see ya in 2 years when it finished i would be sued. I understand that you are disappointed and that is certainly your right, it's not without reason if you had the expectation. But very, very clearly - a LOT of people, certainly not "no-one" are more than okay to wait 2+ years for a product. Myself included. I have been very happy with the IL2 market strategy so far, it's like a game that never stops delivering goodies and I've been playing this game without waning interest for 7 years now. I still remember my excitement when the first Fw190 dropped, I ran to tell my colleague so fast I banged my elbow on his office door and it hurt for a week. Moreover, Early Access games are very normal these days, games sold for 30-40-50-or 80 dollars that remain unfinished or without certain features until years into development. It's a very widely accepted way to develop more ambitious games when you don't have the funds of an AAA studio to fund development up front. You are of course allowed to sue 1C for it, I'm neither a legal expert or american so I can but wish you luck. You have the right to be disappointed, but don't generalize about things that are indeed widely accepted in an attempt to take the majority standpoint. Edited April 18, 2022 by Luftschiff 2
Cynic_Al Posted April 18, 2022 Posted April 18, 2022 1 hour ago, CrazyJow said: If i went and sold a game at 80 and said see ya in 2 years when it finished i would be sued. Had the vendor failed to deliver within a contracted timeframe, there would be grounds to sue. Did that happen in this case?
dburne Posted April 18, 2022 Posted April 18, 2022 Nice update! Definitely looking forward to the reduction in load time as well. 1
Ribbon Posted April 18, 2022 Posted April 18, 2022 C'mon guys, it's a software (game) development....it will always slip beyond aimed release date! That is a standard for any software, especially one that aimes to release quality bug-free product! Rather give other critics and feedback to improve the game as CrazyJow said about AI and content which i agree on.....let's not be haters or fanboy extremists. Give your opinion or critic as normal ppl (it's not matter of life or death to involve strong feelings) and devs will decide about their product and it's our only decision will be buy it or not (which is a best feedback). Also forum should be best place to collect feedback while constructive critic should be more valuable than brainless praise and fanboism. S! 1
Deicide Posted April 18, 2022 Posted April 18, 2022 52 minutes ago, Luftschiff said: I understand that you are disappointed and that is certainly your right, it's not without reason if you had the expectation. But very, very clearly - a LOT of people, certainly not "no-one" are more than okay to wait 2+ years for a product. Myself included. I have been very happy with the IL2 market strategy so far, it's like a game that never stops delivering goodies and I've been playing this game without waning interest for 7 years now. I still remember my excitement when the first Fw190 dropped, I ran to tell my colleague so fast I banged my elbow on his office door and it hurt for a week. Moreover, Early Access games are very normal these days, games sold for 30-40-50-or 80 dollars that remain unfinished or without certain features until years into development. It's a very widely accepted way to develop more ambitious games when you don't have the funds of an AAA studio to fund development up front. You are of course allowed to sue 1C for it, I'm neither a legal expert or american so I can but wish you luck. You have the right to be disappointed, but don't generalize about things that are indeed widely accepted in an attempt to take the majority standpoint. I have no problem with "early access" its the fact 2 years on I still cant fly the Mosquito in IL2. As I stated before many many times. I bought previous "early access" none of which made me wait 2+ years for the product. I get other vehicles have been released for it, but the Mosquito is what the last in the pack? Meanwhile here are 10 more 109 and 190 variants. When I bought the F-14/16, Syria and Mosquito for DCS it was roughly a month or 2 before release give or take a few weeks, it was not 2 full years before i could use the module. It might be 2 years to fully use all of the systems. Same with the Apache and MI-24 Hind. The Apache got pushed back a month and half on release and I got an email nearly right away saying so and why. 1 minute ago, =VARP=Ribbon said: C'mon guys, it's a software (game) development....it will always slip beyond aimed release date! That is a standard for any software, especially one that aimes to release quality bug-free product! Rather give other critics and feedback to improve the game as CrazyJow said about AI and content which i agree on.....let's not be haters or fanboy extremists. Give your opinion or critic as normal ppl (it's not matter of life or death to involve strong feelings) and devs will decide about their product and it's our only decision will be buy it or not (which is a best feedback). Also forum should be best place to collect feedback while constructive critic should be more valuable than brainless praise and fanboism. S! Thank you for your level response, honestly. Only a few have replied in that way and I appreciate it.
AEthelraedUnraed Posted April 18, 2022 Posted April 18, 2022 2 hours ago, CrazyJow said: How the mods only ban people like myself but not those who attacked me because they are "loyal il2 members" as it was nicely put to me. Remember gang if they think different than you they are WRONG 2 hours ago, CrazyJow said: Aggressive? You attacked me first. I attack you back and get banned for 24 hours... No pretending, I have been waiting 2+ years and have still yet to receive the vehicle i solely bought it for. I don't see a mosquito fb in my hanger, do you? Just checked.. Nope. I didn't buy this pack for another 109/190/88 like I'm sure you did. I bought it for the mosquito fb, which I still don't have 2.5 years later so yeah.. they haven't delivered. No one would think 2+ years is okay of a wait for a product. Actually I have 4 different messages all agreeing on that fact. If i went and sold a game at 80 and said see ya in 2 years when it finished i would be sued. For someone who insists that people should see the other side of the argument as well, you're remarkably blind towards your own behaviour. Attacking someone's position/opinion with rational arguments in a level-headed discussion is fine. Hot-headedly spewing venom and personally attacking people is not, and that has nothing to do with the Moderators or who is or isn't a "loyal IL2 member", whatever that may be. I certainly don't agree with everyone on this forum and I can be a bit belligerent myself, but I draw the line at insulting people personally. Which is probably why I've never been banned yet even though I've had my share of arguments with other forum members. If you dislike getting banned, I suggest you do something similar rather than blame the Moderators for banning you (there's also a Rule 6 violation in your post, which in itself is enough grounds to ban you).
Dallas88B Posted April 18, 2022 Posted April 18, 2022 (edited) Faster load times, well that is nice, thank you. Edited April 18, 2022 by Dallas88B
Deicide Posted April 18, 2022 Posted April 18, 2022 (edited) As I said before, I attack when attacked. In my part of the world that's how life is, you don't have other options. So, yes, that is how I act. So with that I see we're back to the very beginning. Funny thing about the rule 6 thing is that was my reasoning for what I said in your first quote. "How the mods only ban people like myself but not those who attacked me because they are "loyal il2 members" as it was nicely put to me. Remember gang if they think different than you they are WRONG" I said what I said because I was attacked in the same way. But its not okay for me, only for them. The "tester" can talk like that, but if I reply in kind I'm in the wrong. I get banned. I also state this because I have received multiple messages from other members saying and agreeing with me, they told me they lurk because of this community and how the slightest displeasure in the game from anyone incites people like yourself and the ones I've replied to attack and gang up on that member. Apparently I'm also not the 1st to get a 24 hour ban like this. One person messaged me saying he got a ban for replying back after someone higher in the community attacked him over his displeasure. He even copy and pasted the convo to me showing me it. All he did was tell them to go "piss off" and he got banned but the other member had no issues at all. So yeah. That was nice to know. Edited April 18, 2022 by CrazyJow 1
Lusekofte Posted April 18, 2022 Posted April 18, 2022 4 hours ago, CrazyJow said: Aggressive? You attacked me first. I attack you back and get banned for 24 hours... I often get banned, relative speaking. You hardy been here 2 years, a lot of us since the beginning. But you have no right to demand a contract finished before time. I am aware you thought ir believed it would go faster, but this frustration is all on you. The fact we had a 2 year lockdown, seem to slip your mind. I am not a socalled fanboy, but honestly you use the wrong topic in your complaints, and when people answer you, you call them boomer. Your lack of sosial skills is amazing, surely you should understand a bit of resistance. But that said, there is a lot to desire when it come to improvements. Just don't bring it up in a DD 1
cardboard_killer Posted April 18, 2022 Posted April 18, 2022 1 hour ago, CrazyJow said: In my part of the world that's how life is, you don't have other options. First, your avatar advertises a "turn the other cheek" vibe. But really? Baltimore? No other options? Come to Somalia, baby.
firdimigdi Posted April 18, 2022 Posted April 18, 2022 13 minutes ago, cardboard_killer said: First, your avatar advertises a "turn the other cheek" vibe. But really? Baltimore? No other options? Come to Somalia, baby. There's an obvious identity crisis involved as Mary in the avatar is flashing the L.A. fingers.
AtomicP Posted April 18, 2022 Posted April 18, 2022 2 hours ago, CrazyJow said: I have no problem with "early access" its the fact 2 years on I still cant fly the Mosquito in IL2. As I stated before many many times. I bought previous "early access" none of which made me wait 2+ years for the product. I get other vehicles have been released for it, but the Mosquito is what the last in the pack? Meanwhile here are 10 more 109 and 190 variants. When I bought the F-14/16, Syria and Mosquito for DCS it was roughly a month or 2 before release give or take a few weeks, it was not 2 full years before i could use the module. It might be 2 years to fully use all of the systems. Same with the Apache and MI-24 Hind. The Apache got pushed back a month and half on release and I got an email nearly right away saying so and why. Thank you for your level response, honestly. Only a few have replied in that way and I appreciate it. I don't think the devs promised that it would ship in two years or any specific timeframe; that's more like an estimate based on the development time of the other modules.In earlier cases, BoS, BoM, BoK, and BoBP, released in parts the same as BoN so it's no surprise. Nothing shady going on. Jason has said that BoN is larger in scope than previous titles so it would take longer to develop, but that was before the pandemic--and now Ukraine conflict--made things harder. Early access of any product is a risk and there's rarely a guarantee you will receive exactly what you thought. To avoid dissapointment, wait until the final article is released and then purchase. If you don't like the price, wait for the very generous sales.
Deicide Posted April 18, 2022 Posted April 18, 2022 1 hour ago, LuseKofte said: You hardy been here 2 years, a lot of us since the beginning. JOINED April 6, 2017 1 hour ago, cardboard_killer said: First, your avatar advertises a "turn the other cheek" vibe. But really? Baltimore? No other options? Come to Somalia, baby. Nah, wrong Mary also I'm good. Baltimore is bad enough. 1 hour ago, Firdimigdi said: There's an obvious identity crisis involved as Mary in the avatar is flashing the L.A. fingers. What I can't like the Mary image flashing gang signs? Would it be better if its the Bloods one? I can change it quite easily. I have that one. I will just for you
firdimigdi Posted April 18, 2022 Posted April 18, 2022 1 minute ago, CrazyJow said: What I can't like the Mary image flashing gang signs? No one said anything of the like. But go ahead, knock yourself out.
Deicide Posted April 18, 2022 Posted April 18, 2022 1 minute ago, Firdimigdi said: No one said anything of the like. But go ahead, knock yourself out. what was that? Like I said, you attack me and I attack back, stop and I stop. Others already have so because you're late to the game you gotta continue all this?
firdimigdi Posted April 18, 2022 Posted April 18, 2022 2 minutes ago, CrazyJow said: what was that? Like I said, you attack me and I attack back, stop and I stop. Others already have so because you're late to the game you gotta continue all this? What attack? What are you even talking about at this point?
Jason_Williams Posted April 18, 2022 Author Posted April 18, 2022 Ok last warning. Stop the personal nonsense. I'll clean the thread later today. Stick to the topic which is the DD. Take personal beefs elsewhere. Jason 3 2
Deicide Posted April 18, 2022 Posted April 18, 2022 Why are you replying and bringing a convo that ended hours ago? You coulda moved on and not said a word but you didn't and now here we are.. 1 minute ago, Jason_Williams said: Ok last warning. Stop the personal nonsense. I'll clean the thread later today. Stick to the topic which is the DD. Take personal beefs elsewhere. Jason not a problem as long as the attacks on me stop, I will stop.
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