Asgar Posted April 16, 2022 Posted April 16, 2022 9 minutes ago, CrazyJow said: Okay because no one seems to be asking I'm gonna ask.. Why? Why show off all this for the B-26 when we can't even use it and its only an AI model. Same thing with the B-25.. We've got the A-20, He-111, ME-410 coming soon, Il-2 and countless others but no B-25 or B-26. Only MAYBE in the future but hey here are some skins to look at for it.. Meanwhile we're getting sub-par aircraft that are beyond unknown except to those who's country it comes from. I never even heard of the IAR until I played War thunder. But you're adding that, instead of a B-25 or B-26.. umm okay? Also what this person said I bought BON with-in a week of the announced pre-release and there was no mention anywhere I saw about a 2.5 year development and release. If I had known that I would of waited to buy it. A simple heads up would of been nice. "Hey guys this is on a 2.5 year development release" in bold would of been helpful. Instead for the past 2 years I've been watching these development diaries waiting for its release. If I had known it would be this long before I can fly the Mosquito F.B. I would of just bought the DCS one that came out instead. That's the only reason I picked up BON was for that and its literally the last vehicle on the list to be released for BON. I personally am tired of the horrible and I do mean horrible AI and mission system. Its so bad you have no choice but to use PWCG, which is a 3rd party program. Which only puts a small band-aide on the real problems. PWCG is great but why do I need to use a 3rd party system just to play this game in campaign mode? Why is it the only way I can get "okay'ish" AI. The AI is one of the most frustrating parts of this game. I can't count the number of times I've watched my wingmen do nothing against enemy air even after repeated calls for "cover me" or "attack enemy air targets" only to be blown out of the sky by enemy ai or not even drop their loadouts and fly back home with x2 1000lbs still on the wings having done nothing but fly the waypoints. This is even while I'm flying number 4 or number 3 in a 4 man flight. Which is honestly the only way AI are even 'Okay'ish" and that's only if you play PWCG because in the regular campaigns they don't do anything. Scripted missions are the only place they work outside PWCG. Are you done now? Go get a cookie, and take a nap okay. Come back when you stop behaving like a toddler 2 1 3 1 1
Deicide Posted April 16, 2022 Posted April 16, 2022 Just now, 56RAF_Roblex said: Because building a twin-engine, multi-crew aircraft and making a proper cockpit and all the gunner stations is more than twice the work of making a fighter. To put it another way, if they had decided to start with a flyable B25 and B26 then we would not have any flyable Normandy fighters yet. with that I reply with A-20, He-111, PE-2 and lord knows whatever else there is with multiple gunner slots. All these fighters we have 10 different variations of and its like hey lets add a 10th bf109 or fw190. All these multiple variants could of been a B-25/26 but instead of we got a 10th Bf-109. I can open any of the flight games I have and fly a Bf-109 and FW-190. I can think of 5 right now that I can fly multiple variants of those aircraft. 4 minutes ago, Asgar said: Are you done now? Go get a cookie, and take a nap okay. Come back when you stop behaving like a toddler I am? Why because I present my opinion which is different than your own and I am expressing displeasure in a product I bought? And I'm a toddler for it? Get over yourself kid 1 4
BMA_FlyingShark Posted April 16, 2022 Posted April 16, 2022 (edited) One day we'll get there I think. The Germans only had 2 main fighter designs, that's not the devs fault. And there are enough differences between their variants to be interesting to have in game. Have a nice day. Edited April 16, 2022 by FlyingShark 2
56RAF_Roblex Posted April 16, 2022 Posted April 16, 2022 (edited) 8 minutes ago, CrazyJow said: All these multiple variants could of been a B-25/26 but instead of we got a 10th Bf-109. Can you not see the flaw here? You are asking why they did not build an entirely new aircraft, or at least a whole new interior and cockpit & gunners stations instead of making a small mod to an existing one in the same timescale. As someone who does not fly 109s I can agree that new models do nothing for me but to be fair the apparent repetition with minor changes is a little distorted by the fact that the 109 name kept being used. It would not look so boring if they had been called the the 209, 309, 409, 509 etc and conversely the various Yaks could have all been called variants of the Yak-1 . Even the La-5 could have feasibly been called a Lagg-3D as at heart it is just a Lagg with a different engine ? Quote I can open any of the flight games I have and fly a Bf-109 and FW-190. I can think of 5 right now that I can fly multiple variants of those aircraft. ...yet you complained that instead of a B25 or B26 that you can get in any other flightsim, they gave you a more accurate version of something only one other game models (and obviously also thought people wanted to fly) Edited April 16, 2022 by 56RAF_Roblex
Deicide Posted April 16, 2022 Posted April 16, 2022 1 minute ago, 56RAF_Roblex said: Can you not see the flaw here? You are asking why they did not build an entirely new aircraft, or at least a whole new interior and cockpit & gunners stations instead of making a small mod to an existing one in the same timescale. ...yet you complained that instead of a B25 or B26 that you can get in any other flightsim, they gave you a more accurate version of something only one other game models (and obviously also thought people wanted to fly) They built the bf-109 and fw-190 from the ground up didn't they? or do they just cheap out and use rehashed models from before? What I'm saying is stop making 10 different variants of the same aircraft and how about producing something different the community has asked for like the B-25 or B-26. but no instead its a "maybe" and its an AI model only but Hey guys here are some skins to look at on it. Seems like a smack to the face than not. I can fly the Bf-109 and FW-190 in 5 different games not including IL2 BOX, The B-25/26 I play in one and only as a mod and that's IL-2 1946. Re-read if necessary. You people are mad because of my mention about the B-25/26, but nothing about the AI Flaws or Mission making flaws or campaign flaws or how we have to use a 3rd party program just to play SP without issues. What about those? 18 minutes ago, 56RAF_Roblex said: Can you not see the flaw here? You are asking why they did not build an entirely new aircraft, or at least a whole new interior and cockpit & gunners stations instead of making a small mod to an existing one in the same timescale. As someone who does not fly 109s I can agree that new models do nothing for me but to be fair the apparent repetition with minor changes is a little distorted by the fact that the 109 name kept being used. It would not look so boring if they had been called the the 209, 309, 409, 509 etc and conversely the various Yaks could have all been called variants of the Yak-1 . Even the La-5 could have feasibly been called a Lagg-3D as at heart it is just a Lagg with a different engine ? ...yet you complained that instead of a B25 or B26 that you can get in any other flightsim, they gave you a more accurate version of something only one other game models (and obviously also thought people wanted to fly) Also you bring up this and I just remember... The Ju-88 and its multiple variants. They put a Ju-88 in BON, No B-25/26. Seemed like a good time to the B-25/26 models but nah.. Lets add another Ju-88 this time we'll add the one with 20mm because reasons ? But forget these aircraft that had been used by the Allies and produced on a massive scale and was used in BON.. nah here they are in AI form only
Asgar Posted April 16, 2022 Posted April 16, 2022 25 minutes ago, CrazyJow said: Also you bring up this and I just remember... The Ju-88 and its multiple variants. They put a Ju-88 in BON, No B-25/26. Seemed like a good time to the B-25/26 models but nah.. Lets add another Ju-88 this time we'll add the one with 20mm because reasons ? But forget these aircraft that had been used by the Allies and produced on a massive scale and was used in BON.. nah here they are in AI form only again... the 88 is already in game. so they only need to do some additional modelling and research on it
simfan2015 Posted April 16, 2022 Posted April 16, 2022 (edited) To me it is difficult to understand that people buy EA DLC and then regret they have to wait for release. Personally I buy a lot of EA titles (especially on steam) and wait. Some never materialize. Some take longer than expected. I have no regrets as I consider this making some kind of gamble that may not pay off. But IL-2 GB (and DCS World) are different ... the companies behind these EA modules / maps will always deliver. If people don't like this then maybe wait for a few years and you will get everything far cheaper. But I honestly feel that going on the EA road(-map) together, with the gaming communities of these titles has always been worth the small price of entry. Edited April 16, 2022 by simfan2015 2
Deicide Posted April 16, 2022 Posted April 16, 2022 1 minute ago, Asgar said: again... the 88 is already in game. so they only need to do some additional modelling and research on it So basically what you're saying is you cheapened out and took the easier route, got it. I'll keep that in mind the next time you guys want another 80 dollars for a series that'll take 2.5 years to develop. My quote for before..."They built the bf-109 and fw-190 from the ground up didn't they? or do they just cheap out and use rehashed models from before?" 1 1
Asgar Posted April 16, 2022 Posted April 16, 2022 6 minutes ago, CrazyJow said: So basically what you're saying is you cheapened out and took the easier route, got it. I'll keep that in mind the next time you guys want another 80 dollars for a series that'll take 2.5 years to develop. My quote for before..."They built the bf-109 and fw-190 from the ground up didn't they? or do they just cheap out and use rehashed models from before?" you? you are not talking to a developer here. and also it's called business. it's a smart business decision to use all your assets. again, I recoommend you take a nap and come back when you feel less cranky 4
GreyMuzzAngryGreyMuzz Posted April 16, 2022 Posted April 16, 2022 I have been playing IL2 since the original release in the early 2000's. Still remember my joy/disbelief the first time I saw a turret track me as it fired WOW!, also when I strafed a vehicle and a guy got out of it, ran and hit the deck, unbelievable for the early 2000's, games don't do that today. Literally world firsts as far as I know. I am eagerly awaiting my beautiful AR234 blitz bomber, ME 410 and Mosquito Love the new clouds, they look amazing for how little they tank performance, and the environmental lighting is gorgeous without killing performance unlike FS2020. People need to chill and wait for a finished product that works as intended. The devs are working as fast as they can under difficult circumstances. Cheers from South Australia. 2
CountZero Posted April 16, 2022 Posted April 16, 2022 32 minutes ago, CrazyJow said: So basically what you're saying is you cheapened out and took the easier route, got it. I'll keep that in mind the next time you guys want another 80 dollars for a series that'll take 2.5 years to develop. My quote for before..."They built the bf-109 and fw-190 from the ground up didn't they? or do they just cheap out and use rehashed models from before?" You are getting more out of airplanes they build with bobp and bon compared to previous dlcs, mutch more modifications that make one airplane into 2-4 versions if it was build in way old il-2 did, so it takes more time to make, and also in bon there is more harder to get data and build airplanes, they could have easy just pick easy not so interesting versions and not build more modifications for airplane types and build dlc in 2 years like previous ones... 1 1
Deicide Posted April 16, 2022 Posted April 16, 2022 14 minutes ago, CountZero said: You are getting more out of airplanes they build with bobp and bon compared to previous dlcs, mutch more modifications that make one airplane into 2-4 versions if it was build in way old il-2 did, so it takes more time to make, and also in bon there is more harder to get data and build airplanes, they could have easy just pick easy not so interesting versions and not build more modifications for airplane types and build dlc in 2 years like previous ones... How when they are the same aircraft? With the same armament. "Oh this one has a 100hp more powerful engine and this one has a good gun site" So? Its still the same aircraft. Its still a BF-109, doesn't matter if its a E/F/G/K its still a Bf-109. A vehicle literally and I do mean literally every ww2 aircraft game has had in it. America's got the P-51/47/38/40 and between them there are 2 with more than 1 variant 51/47. There are like 4 variants of the G model 109 alone and I think 4 of the Fw-190 A. We've been asking for PTO, or anything that isn't Germany/Russia or Europe based. Nope, here is another Bf-109 or some IAR that no one has heard of before outside of the Romanians or if you play Warthunder. Meanwhile here look at these B-26 skins we've released for a plane you'll never get to use but everyone has asked for repeatedly. Oh you want the B-25/26? Nah here is a C-47 so you can drop some paratroopers and some cargo though. But don't worry, we've got some more variants of the 190 and 109 in the works and probably some more yak/lagg's. Also don't pay attention to the horrible and I do mean horrible ai system.. we just ignore that here. but give us another 80 USD and wait 2.5 years for the product you want and paid for I'm not the only one.... 1
Strewth Posted April 16, 2022 Posted April 16, 2022 25 minutes ago, CrazyJow said: How when they are the same aircraft? With the same armament. "Oh this one has a 100hp more powerful engine and this one has a good gun site" So? Its still the same aircraft. Its still a BF-109, doesn't matter if its a E/F/G/K its still a Bf-109. A vehicle literally and I do mean literally every ww2 aircraft game has had in it. America's got the P-51/47/38/40 and between them there are 2 with more than 1 variant 51/47. There are like 4 variants of the G model 109 alone and I think 4 of the Fw-190 A. I'm not the only one.... Blah blah blah. Whine whine whine. What is it with some of you lot lately? Did someone not show you enough attention? Seriously. Some of you are just trolling little brats, with no decorum. I have to ask seriously. Is coming onto a forum like this while whining and trolling the only highlight in your day? If that is the case, It is really quite a sad existence, isn't it. 1 1 2 2 3
Deicide Posted April 16, 2022 Posted April 16, 2022 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Strewth said: Blah blah blah. Whine whine whine. What is it with some of you lot lately? Did someone not show you enough attention? Seriously. Some of you are just trolling little brats, with no decorum. I have to ask seriously. Is coming onto a forum like this while whining and trolling the only highlight in your day? If that is the case, It is really quite a sad existence, isn't it. So its not okay to get upset over something I paid 80 USD for 2 years ago and still hasn't been delivered and then when aircraft are asked for its hey here is a ai model and some skins for you to look at while you think about flying it. Excuse me for being upset over a product I paid money for. Excuse me for being upset and coming to the forums to express my displeasure of said product in the "Development Discussion forum" Excuse me for doing that. I'm in the wrong for expressing my displeasure in a product I bought. Yeah... Is it hard being that stupid and naive? because it sure seems like it from your response. From my research it sure seems like I'm not alone and not the only one. I just happen to be the only who's currently expressing displeasure in this. If you look around, you'll certainly see I'm not alone in my thoughts. Edited April 16, 2022 by CrazyJow 1 1 3
Asgar Posted April 16, 2022 Posted April 16, 2022 19 minutes ago, CrazyJow said: So its not okay to get upset over something I paid 80 USD for 2 years ago and still hasn't been delivered and then when aircraft are asked for its hey here is a ai model and some skins for you to look at while you think about flying it. Excuse me for being upset over a product I paid money for. Excuse me for being upset and coming to the forums to express my displeasure of said product in the "Development Discussion forum" Excuse me for doing that. I'm in the wrong for expressing my displeasure in a product I bought. Yeah... Is it hard being that stupid and naive? because it sure seems like it from your response. From my research it sure seems like I'm not alone and not the only one. I just happen to be the only who's currently expressing displeasure in this. If you look around, you'll certainly see I'm not alone in my thoughts. "still hasn't been deliverd" saying stupid things like that is why people say you are making a fool of yourself. 7 out of 10 BoN planes are implemented in the game. They were chosen because they have the data and resources to create them. Jason went on a research trip to get more data to create a player flyable B-25. But guess what. It takes time and this dev team has been working non stop during a global pandamic and now in a country that is at war and putting pressure on it's own people. But they keep working so that cry babies like some here on the forum can get to play more digital planes. Why don't you take a step back and think about what the team has delivered, under what circumstances and what your pointless rambling will do to help. little tip, it doesn't. 2 1 6
BornToBattle Posted April 16, 2022 Posted April 16, 2022 I feel this thread this thread will go the way the Battle of Normandy thread went. Just sayin’. 3
Noisemaker Posted April 16, 2022 Posted April 16, 2022 1 minute ago, BornToBattle said: I feel this thread this thread will go the way the Battle of Normandy thread went. Just sayin’. Yeah, Mr. Smith's finger is likely hovering over the lock button right now. Re: B-25/B-26 flyable, I'm positive they will come, but these things take time, and well, we've had a few rough years that have put some bumps in the development of new aircraft that are not actually part of a package that people bought and paid for, currently under development. Much of the new DLC has been outsourced, as the core team is working on finishing the next BOX and chasing bugs. Unfortunately we are a very niche market, us WW2 combat flight simmers, and the companies serving this market are always understaffed, underfunded, and have to resort to a business model that seems like it's always on the cusp of collapsing, making promises for a brighter future when finally the resources come together. It is what it is. You get in with eyes open, and accept that this will take a while, or you jump in blind and feel bitter disappointment that your pet projects aren't addressed immediately. 1
Jade_Monkey Posted April 16, 2022 Posted April 16, 2022 38 minutes ago, CrazyJow said: So its not okay to get upset over something I paid 80 USD for 2 years ago and still hasn't been delivered and then when aircraft are asked for its hey here is a ai model and some skins for you to look at while you think about flying it. Excuse me for being upset over a product I paid money for. Excuse me for being upset and coming to the forums to express my displeasure of said product in the "Development Discussion forum" Excuse me for doing that. I'm in the wrong for expressing my displeasure in a product I bought. Yeah... Is it hard being that stupid and naive? because it sure seems like it from your response. From my research it sure seems like I'm not alone and not the only one. I just happen to be the only who's currently expressing displeasure in this. If you look around, you'll certainly see I'm not alone in my thoughts. You should probably read about what you are buying before completing the purchase. Creating your made up expectations and then being disappointed is not the devs responsibility. 2 3
Deicide Posted April 16, 2022 Posted April 16, 2022 5 minutes ago, Asgar said: "still hasn't been deliverd" saying stupid things like that is why people say you are making a fool of yourself. 7 out of 10 BoN planes are implemented in the game. They were chosen because they have the data and resources to create them. Jason went on a research trip to get more data to create a player flyable B-25. But guess what. It takes time and this dev team has been working non stop during a global pandamic and now in a country that is at war and putting pressure on it's own people. But they keep working so that cry babies like some here on the forum can get to play more digital planes. Why don't you take a step back and think about what the team has delivered, under what circumstances and what your pointless rambling will do to help. little tip, it doesn't. you mean deliver on the things they promised? Deliver on things the promised to deliver on? Oh my goodness how horrible of me to ask that they deliver on the things they said they would. Who am I to ask that things like this happen!? /s 7/10 aircraft... I paid 80 USD for that 2 years ago and still only 7 of 10, really that is your reply? Hell even DCS doesn't do me that dirty. I have to wait for full release eventually, but I didn't pay 80 USD and still 2 years later not even be able to fly the Mosquito fb or the arado or even the me-410. I think i waited 2 months for the Mosquito fb after I pre-ordered it on dcs give or take a few weeks. I wouldn't be here complaining honestly if BON was announced to be released in June and they started taking money in May for pre-orders. But i pre-ordered this 2 years ago and I'm still waiting on the aircraft I bought it solely for. I think i've seen maybe a few screenshots of the Mosquito fb that i can't remember off hand but honestly it could of been dcs i saw them. The whole world is in pandemic. They aren't the only ones. I've lost family and friends, but I still had to go to work for that 80 USD I spent on this when my job still existed. 1 1
Missionbug Posted April 16, 2022 Posted April 16, 2022 (edited) Hello CrazyJow, when ever we buy into the D.L.C modules here it is understood that if you buy a pre-order that you will have to wait for the game to be developed, the team go into great detail at the time pre-order is announced as to what content it will contain and a rough estimate of when it will be completed. Unfortunately this particular module for Normandy has like many things in life over the last few years been held up by the pandemic and other world events that affected us all including the development team. As for the 109s, yes there are many of them but in reality that is how it was and each module has the most representative version flying with the Luftwaffe and its allies at the time, it could easily have been Spitfires or P-40s depending on what conflict they had chosen, it is what it is. Many of us who are familiar with the conflicts in the Russia at the time know the I.A.R 80 well, it was a major component of the Romanian Air Force throughout WWII and is essential for those modules to represent other nationalities. Many of us would like to see the B-25 and 26 as flyable, due to the technicalities involved the team have opted to make them AI first and hopefully at a later date maybe we will get a cockpit for them, they still need skins so we might as well see them. I agree on the career and the AI, however, a coder was employed recently to upgrade the AI, it is ongoing and there are tweaks to career every now and then, I have used Pat's program for careers but usually only fly scripted campaigns of which there are many available to buy and also many for free made by the community. Patience is the key, no other sim will get you anywhere any faster, each can only build with what they have and all are time constrained and over run often, that is the beauty of a pre-order at least you can use the aircraft as they are developed otherwise you would need to wait for the complete module to be released, that would still take the same cycle as far as time goes. Take care and be safe. Wishing you all the very best, Pete. Edited April 16, 2022 by Missionbug 3 8
BornToBattle Posted April 16, 2022 Posted April 16, 2022 (edited) Okay, I’ll chime in here… Here you KNOW there will be a light at the end of the tunnel. Just think of the amount of money thrown down for a DCS module which seems to remain in beta for perpetuity with no end in sight. …but I still feel a lock coming on… Edited April 16, 2022 by BornToBattle
Deicide Posted April 16, 2022 Posted April 16, 2022 1 minute ago, Missionbug said: Hello CrazyJow, when ever we buy into the D.L.C modules here it is understood that if you buy a pre-order that you will have to wait for the game to be developed, the team go into detail great detail at the time pre-order is announced as to what content it will contain and a rough estimate of when it will be completed. Unfortunately this particular module for Normandy has like many things in life over the last few years been held up by the pandemic and other world events that affected us all including the development team. As for the 109s, yes there are many of them but in reality that is how it was and each module has the most representative version flying with the Luftwaffe and its allies at the time, it could easily have been Spitfires or P-40s depending on what conflict they had chosen, it is what it is. Many of us would like to see the B-25 and 26 as flyable, due to the technicalities involved the team have opted to make them AI first and hopefully at a later date maybe we will get a cockpit for them, they still need skins so we might as well see them. I agree on the career and the AI, however, a coder was employed recently to upgrade the AI, it is ongoing and there are tweaks to career every now and then, I have use Pat's program for careers but usually only fly scripted campaigns of which there are many to buy and made by the community for free. Patience is the key, no other sim will get you anywhere any faster, each can only build with what they have and all are time constrained and over run often, that is the beuty of a pre-order at least you can use the aircraft as they are developed otherwise you would need to wait for the complete module to be released, that would still take the same cycle as far as time goes. Take care and be safe. Wishing you all the very best, Pete. Honestly thank you for that response. As for pre-orders I was not aware of the length it would take to deliver or I would of personally waited. Future maybe in bold put something of a development timeline so we know before purchase. As for me I did not know. As for AI that is great news to hear. Maybe I miss read these or read over them unknowing. Either way thank you for the level and straight response. I do enjoy IL2 greatly, I am just frustrated by the things I've listed. Thanks Pete 1
AEthelraedUnraed Posted April 16, 2022 Posted April 16, 2022 2 hours ago, CrazyJow said: [...] 80 dollars [...] 2 minutes ago, CrazyJow said: I paid 80 USD [...] 80 USD [...] 80 USD 45 minutes ago, CrazyJow said: [...] 80 USD [...] 1 hour ago, CrazyJow said: [...] 80 USD [...] My, you keep hammering on about that 80 USD, don't you? You've made your point. You spent 80 dollars and BoN is not complete yet. Well, when you bought it, it clearly stated it was still in Early Access. If this 80 USD is so important to you, then perhaps you should have waited until BoN is released. Back on topic, there's an update coming in 2 weeks? Sounds great! Is there anything else besides the Tripe and faster loading times that you can already reveal to be in there? Also, the B-26 is a true beauty! Can't wait to shoot one down
Deicide Posted April 16, 2022 Posted April 16, 2022 Just now, AEthelraedUnraed said: My, you keep hammering on about that 80 USD, don't you? You've made your point. You spent 80 dollars and BoN is not complete yet. Well, when you bought it, it clearly stated it was still in Early Access. If this 80 USD is so important to you, then perhaps you should have waited until BoN is released. Back on topic, there's an update coming in 2 weeks? Sounds great! Is there anything else besides the Tripe and faster loading times that you can already reveal to be in there? Also, the B-26 is a true beauty! Can't wait to shoot one down Excuse me? I'm sorry that 80 USD is quite a lot of money. Maybe not you, but it is to me. Not everyone has bags of money to just throw around and not everyone thinks 80 USD is chump change. When I bought it I was under the understanding it was early access and a few months until full release not 2 years. 1 2
Asgar Posted April 16, 2022 Posted April 16, 2022 (edited) 1 minute ago, CrazyJow said: Excuse me? I'm sorry that 80 USD is quite a lot of money. Maybe not you, but it is to me. Not everyone has bags of money to just throw around and not everyone thinks 80 USD is chump change. When I bought it I was under the understanding it was early access and a few months until full release not 2 years. Dude, you bought Kuban and Bodenplatte in early access. Why do you act surprised all of a sudden? If 80USD is such a big deal for you. Don't spend it on games. life tip: If you can't afford food, don't buy games. Edited April 16, 2022 by Asgar 1
Deicide Posted April 16, 2022 Posted April 16, 2022 30 minutes ago, Asgar said: Dude, you bought Kuban and Bodenplatte in early access. Why do you act surprised all of a sudden? I bought them at the last possible moment of early access if I remember right. I don't remember waiting long (more than 2 months) after I bought either of those that it was fully released. BON was the first one I bought this far out if memory serves me correct. 30 minutes ago, Asgar said: Dude, you bought Kuban and Bodenplatte in early access. Why do you act surprised all of a sudden? If 80USD is such a big deal for you. Don't spend it on games. life tip: If you can't afford food, don't buy games. wow... I didn't say I couldn't afford food and nor have I ever spent money on games over food. But I'm glad to see youre just as ignorant of a human being *EDIT* considering *EDIT* background.
AEthelraedUnraed Posted April 16, 2022 Posted April 16, 2022 1 minute ago, CrazyJow said: Excuse me? I'm sorry that 80 USD is quite a lot of money. Maybe not you, but it is to me. Not everyone has bags of money to just throw around and not everyone thinks 80 USD is chump change. When I bought it I was under the understanding it was early access and a few months until full release not 2 years. For me it's a lot of money as well, I'm nowhere near rich. Which is why I thoroughly read up on what I want to spend it on to be sure it's actually worth it, before I buy it. Thing is, if you buy something, it's the buyer's responsibility to find out what that entails. With a bit of searching, you could've found that BoBP had a similar Early Access time, and I think the other modules too (but that's before I started playing). I can understand that you're disappointed that BoN still isn't fully released (even though most aircraft already are), but failing to read up on what exactly "Early Access" means is on you and you cannot blame the devs for that. 2 2
Avimimus Posted April 16, 2022 Posted April 16, 2022 4 hours ago, CrazyJow said: Okay because no one seems to be asking I'm gonna ask.. Why? Why show off all this for the B-26 when we can't even use it and its only an AI model. Same thing with the B-25.. We've got the A-20, He-111, ME-410 coming soon, Il-2 and countless others but no B-25 or B-26. For people flying historical campaigns it is important to have the aircraft that were used in these theatres in order to have realistic aircraft to escort or intercept. If one is interested in recreating history this is important. The A-20B variant is a Soviet variant, the B-25 variant is a British variant, so the B-26 will provide the Americans with a bomber. It was also used in large numbers in daylight raids in the theatre. IMHO, we could really do with several more aircraft for this purpose (e.g. an Ilyushin Il-4, Fw-189, I-153) - as AI even if they aren't flyable. Being able to fly aircraft is nice, but being able to fly aircraft in a realistic historical setting is even better. 4 hours ago, CrazyJow said: Only MAYBE in the future but hey here are some skins to look at for it.. Meanwhile we're getting sub-par aircraft that are beyond unknown except to those who's country it comes from. I never even heard of the IAR until I played War thunder. But you're adding that, instead of a B-25 or B-26.. umm okay? Some of us knew about the IAR earlier... and it is an interesting and charming aircraft. It will also be the only Romanian aircraft (something exciting for the Romanian players/historians) while the U.S. already has plenty of aircraft modelled. Furthermore it was used in Stalingrad and Kuban - so it provides some fresh excited me two older models that haven't received updates. Finally, there is a third party modeller who is willing to model it out of interest (which means it takes less effort from the existing team) and it also is cheaper to make flyable than a multicrew aircraft. 1
MisterSmith Posted April 16, 2022 Posted April 16, 2022 Everyone dial back the personal stuff and the nationalism as well, please. Smith 3 1 3
kissTheSky Posted April 16, 2022 Posted April 16, 2022 Here we go again with thread locks and deleted posts. I want to make it clear that I’m not condoning any behavior at all, but lately it seems the mods are quite trigger happy and have an extremely short threshold. Some of us seem not to understand the development cycle and what kind of a havoc a global pandemic can cause on such cycles, I mean, just look at VKB TECS saga if you need an example. Development team for Il-2 BOX has always, always punched above their weight and always over delivered (and continue to do so). At the same time, I have to repeat, the mod team is operating on an extremely short fuse. I know they have their (very valid) reasons. But accusing members of trolling and locking/deleting posts left right and center is becoming a bit off putting. 1 2
=621=Samikatz Posted April 16, 2022 Posted April 16, 2022 Pretty much every single bit of software developed during 2020/2021 has suffered delays. World changing global events tend to make normal life a little harder On topic, glad to see the Triplane is almost here, it's a gorgeous little airplane and I'm excited to see what she can go toe to toe with. I do imagine these poor things are going to get bounced by allies a lot while people still have "three wings = German" in their heads. Teething period 1
MisterSmith Posted April 16, 2022 Posted April 16, 2022 15 minutes ago, kissTheSky said: Here we go again with thread locks and deleted posts. I want to make it clear that I’m not condoning any behavior at all, but lately it seems the mods are quite trigger happy and have an extremely short threshold. Some of us seem not to understand the development cycle and what kind of a havoc a global pandemic can cause on such cycles, I mean, just look at VKB TECS saga if you need an example. Development team for Il-2 BOX has always, always punched above their weight and always over delivered (and continue to do so). At the same time, I have to repeat, the mod team is operating on an extremely short fuse. I know they have their (very valid) reasons. But accusing members of trolling and locking/deleting posts left right and center is becoming a bit off putting. It's pretty clear I was avoiding any locks or deletions by giving a "verbal" notice to cool it. Locks typically occur when the message is not received by the offending parties. Short bans are essentially the same thing. It's a way of curbing behavior before it becomes anything serious. Occasionally, curbing the behavior doesn't work either and we go beyond corrective action. Sometimes the behavior is egregious and requires immediate action rather than a scaled approach. For example, a fair amount of your post is in violation of Rule 6 but I choose to let you know to tone it down here because I have a thick enough skin to not take it personally. I hope both messages have been received........ 2 1 2 1
56RAF_Roblex Posted April 16, 2022 Posted April 16, 2022 (edited) Interesting how the OP keeps putting forward DCS as an example of delivering what it promised in a short space of time. They started taking money for the WW2 module in September 2013. I know they were still promising a beta version of the 109 that has many missing functions in April 2014. Does anyone know when the WW2 module was actually fully released with all the promised aircraft ie when everyone was able to fly the Fw190, Bf109, Spitfire, P51, P47 along with having AI 262 & B17 to fly against? They also promised to follow those aircraft soon after with many more aircraft as seen in the quote below used to sell the initial module."A flyable B-17 is at the very top; other famous planes like the Hawker Typhoon IB, Douglas A-26B-15 Invader, FW.190A-5, Lockheed P-38J-15, de Havilland Mosquito FB.VI, and others should follow." We are getting some of those but I think 1C stand up pretty well in comparison. Edited April 16, 2022 by 56RAF_Roblex 3
Lusekofte Posted April 16, 2022 Posted April 16, 2022 I hope the B26 one day will be flyable. AI I personally have no use for, do not get me wrong. I see why it is buildt. Not a wrong decision, just not for me. Since the news about the individual settings for each plane came, this game seems complete to me. After that, it all a bonus. When it come I can switch to JU 52 in a heartbeat. Also, who cares about the small kites when Gotha and HP 400 is arrived. Great show
Trooper117 Posted April 16, 2022 Posted April 16, 2022 I can't believe this forum sometimes... it's like a pack of wolves descending on a hapless animal that has dared to have a different opinion in 'their ' territory. Give the guy a break for gods sake. 6
JG5_Schuck Posted April 16, 2022 Posted April 16, 2022 Always great to see new planes.... As for flyable bombers, do we really need to man/model EVERY gunner position, could some of them be AI? All so id like to ask, is anything likely to be done about ground handling, there was a time if you put one wheel in the snow, or off the runway you'd get stuck. Now you can take off from a ploughed field with a full bombload in snowdrifts without any issues. Can we have something in the middle to help reflect the ability of different aircraft types to take off from different surfaces, and help to ensure people use the taxi ways correctly instead of taking shortcuts..... Keep up the good work.... 1 2
Redwo1f Posted April 16, 2022 Posted April 16, 2022 Yup, this whole thing should have ended with Missionbugs post and CrazyJow's reply- there, done...move on. 1
Avimimus Posted April 16, 2022 Posted April 16, 2022 54 minutes ago, JG5_Schuck said: Always great to see new planes.... As for flyable bombers, do we really need to man/model EVERY gunner position, could some of them be AI? The A-20B allows access to the bombsight, but not the bombardier/navigator position - so it is certainly technically possible.
AndytotheD Posted April 16, 2022 Posted April 16, 2022 2 hours ago, 56RAF_Roblex said: Interesting how the OP keeps putting forward DCS as an example of delivering what it promised in a short space of time. They started taking money for the WW2 module in September 2013. I know they were still promising a beta version of the 109 that has many missing functions in April 2014. Does anyone know when the WW2 module was actually fully released with all the promised aircraft ie when everyone was able to fly the Fw190, Bf109, Spitfire, P51, P47 along with having AI 262 & B17 to fly against? They also promised to follow those aircraft soon after with many more aircraft as seen in the quote below used to sell the initial module."A flyable B-17 is at the very top; other famous planes like the Hawker Typhoon IB, Douglas A-26B-15 Invader, FW.190A-5, Lockheed P-38J-15, de Havilland Mosquito FB.VI, and others should follow." We are getting some of those but I think 1C stand up pretty well in comparison. For what it’s worth the company that initially promised those modules was separate to Eagle Dynamics, and folded. Eagle Dynamics, to their everlasting credit, took over and initially only released those products promised for the DCS WWII Kickstarter. They didn’t have to do that. The fact that they’ve added to their repertoire in the meantime is pretty nice. Nevertheless, this is an IL2 thread, and I’m excited to see the last three BoN aircraft come through!
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