Removal of outer guns in the 190A8 to improve performance

[FTC_ChilliBalls]

18 hours ago, LukeFF said:

 

I can tell you that bullying them will get you nowhere, and neither will annoyance. I've explained in the past that there is a coding limit to how many mods any given plane can have, and that's a big reason why you've not seen this particular mod for the A-8.

I‘m sorry if this was taken as serious, as @Hook_Echo has recognised, it was entirely intended to be humorous. 
 

Though on the other end, I don‘t quite know what else I would call our incessant collective whining about 150 Octane fuel availability other than annoying. 😅

[Yogiflight]

16 hours ago, Hook_Echo said:

The mosquito and typhoon for example have 8 loadout options. The 190A8 has 6, plus bubble canopy, plus gun deletion, equals?

Mosquito and Typhoon are Allied aircrafts, the same counts for the 150 octane fuel. The bomb safety switches also only are animated in Allied aircrafts. The FW 190 is a German aircraft, so like Jason said in the interview with Shamrock, it is only the enemy, they should be happy with what they got.

Edited May 4, 2024 by Yogiflight

[LukeFF]

On 5/3/2024 at 1:52 PM, CUJO_1970 said:

Excuse me?

 

Yes, unless I'm greatly misremembering something, I have mentioned this in the past.

[Hook_Echo]

Plane: # of mods

109 G6: 7

109 G6 Late: 7

190A6: 7

190D9: 7

Me 262: 8

Me 410: 8

Ar 234: 7

 

190A8: 6

[FliegerAD]

19 hours ago, LukeFF said:

 

Yes, unless I'm greatly misremembering something, I have mentioned this in the past.

 

You don't consider this thread bullying, do you? Annoying, maybe, mostly because it reminds people of what clearly is an oversight (aka honest mistake everyone can make), but as a teacher I am a little perplexed seeing the strong word of bullying in connection to this thread.

[FTC_ChilliBalls]

1 hour ago, FliegerAD said:

 

You don't consider this thread bullying, do you? Annoying, maybe, mostly because it reminds people of what clearly is an oversight (aka honest mistake everyone can make), but as a teacher I am a little perplexed seeing the strong word of bullying in connection to this thread.

Considering that I jokingly used the word first in reference to how we collectively cried about the lack of 150 octane fuel, I think we can let the matter rest.

[Art-J]

On 5/5/2024 at 5:20 AM, LukeFF said:

 

Yes, unless I'm greatly misremembering something, I have mentioned this in the past.

Yes, I also recall you did. I also remember Cujo acknowledged your answer back then and thus I find it puzzling that he keeps posting these pics to this day. Hope dies last I suppose .

[FTC_ChilliBalls]

4 hours ago, Art-J said:

Yes, I also recall you did. I also remember Cujo acknowledged your answer back then and thus I find it puzzling that he keeps posting these pics to this day. Hope dies last I suppose .

And we we would appreciate it if someone told us why the A8 only has 6 mods as opposed to a myriad of other planes with more, including the A6 which has 7. 

[=MERCS=JenkemJunkie]

I think I remember something about the problem not being the number of mods in the list, but the number of combinations of the mods being the problem. I dont know the exact details, but maybe just adding one combo for a clean air to air A8, and not adding all the other combos would work, since the clean air to air A8 is what most people want the wing cannons removed for anyways.

[LukeFF]

3 hours ago, =MERCS=JenkemJunkie said:

I think I remember something about the problem not being the number of mods in the list, but the number of combinations of the mods being the problem. I dont know the exact details, but maybe just adding one combo for a clean air to air A8, and not adding all the other combos would work, since the clean air to air A8 is what most people want the wing cannons removed for anyways.

 

It's probably something to do with this, yes. It's not something the team has forgotten about but there is just a lot of other things out there right now that have their attention.

[Mandoble]

Of course I would like to have the canopy and removal of outer cannons as options.

But what is really interesting is that until the late introduction of the A9, Germans considered the default setup and performance of the A8 as more than valid for all the fronts, and it became the most massively produced variant of any German fighter. Actually, not even the D9 was a replacement of the A8 for its common roles but base defense.

It is clear that Germans were not giving too much importance to 1 vs 1 dogfights 😉

[=MERCS=JenkemJunkie]

I hope no ones expecting Spitfires to start running away in fear from 1v1s against a wing cannonless A8, or they'll be very disapointed. 1v1s are probably the area where performance is most important, but it always matters even if you're fighting in groups, or planning on seal clubbing bombers, otherwise why not just send i16s with 108s against everything? 

 

There are other factors in why the nations made the decisions they did, such as lack of resources or corruption, and ultimately Germany lost the war, so just because they made the choices they made, doesn't mean that was the best choice in hindsight. 

[LukeFF]

15 hours ago, =MERCS=JenkemJunkie said:

I hope no ones expecting Spitfires to start running away in fear from 1v1s against a wing cannonless A8, or they'll be very disapointed. 1v1s are probably the area where performance is most important, but it always matters even if you're fighting in groups, or planning on seal clubbing bombers, otherwise why not just send i16s with 108s against everything?

 

Yes, from what I recall, this was mainly done by JG 26 in the West and JG 54 up in the Courland area since their main opponents were planes that could more than easily be downed with a pair of cannons and two heavy machine guns, i.e., it was a weight-saving measure, not a way to increase top speed.

[kraut1]

On 6/3/2024 at 5:58 AM, LukeFF said:

 

Yes, from what I recall, this was mainly done by JG 26 in the West and JG 54 up in the Courland area since their main opponents were planes that could more than easily be downed with a pair of cannons and two heavy machine guns, i.e., it was a weight-saving measure, not a way to increase top speed.

Hi, I see you have knowledge about the FW190-A8 used by JG54 in the Courland Area.

For my Courland Campaign Missions and EMG settings I would like to know if JG54 in Courland Area flew fighter missions with ETC 501 or without?

Many thanks in advance!

added later: Sorry, in respect of IL-2 GB a wrong question: when ETC 501 selected only with bombs possible.

Edited September 23, 2024 by kraut1

[LukeFF]

I'll look and see if I have any photos in one of my Osprey books.