Some leaks about the Cambria (Meta Quest Pro)

[chiliwili69]

From here (spanish RoV):https://www.realovirtual.com/noticias/11156/filtracion-nuevos-detalles-sobre-visor-cambria-que-podria-lanzarse-esta-primavera

 

Pancake polarized lenses
FOV similar to other Meta headsets
2160x2160 per eye resolution but only uses 1800x1920 (so like current Quest2)
2.5-inch MiniLed screens with local dimming probably activated by software
90Hz
physical IPD
Audio solution similar to Quest 2
Dual microphone with echo cancellation, like the one on Focus 3
Snapdragon XR2 with double cooling, which will improve its performance
Connect to PC via USB-C or wireless, will not use DisplayPort
Eye and facial tracking, to encourage social presence
Better weight distribution, comfortable and light visor

Rumour Price: 1500$

 

 

 

Everything as expected, Meta not interested in PC VR. Even if the Quest2 is the most used headset in SteamVR.

 

The point is that Meta has enough resources to produce two devices: One like Cambria and another for just PC-VR (with DP cable, extra FOV and 4K resolution per eye).  Why Meta don´t listen to the VR users?

Edited September 12, 2022 by chiliwili69

[dburne]

Meta is focused solely on the social aspect. I have written them off for me. No Oculus software resides on my system any longer. Also going from a 3d Model to an actual unit to prepare for production is a bit of a ways off I would think. Who knows though, Zuck may eventually cancel this as well. I would think we would see a Quest 3 first, maybe even a device he gives away for access to even more data. He wants them in use all across the Facebook market.

Edited March 31, 2022 by dburne

[Drano]

Yep. My next HMD will definitely not be a FB product. No problem with FB itself. Not my thing anyway. What bugs me is I bought a RiftS when they came out and they almost immediately stopped supporting it! Parts? Cables? Nope! That experience alone makes them a no for me.

[[CPT]Crunch]

They're not interested in engineering products for people, they're only interested in engineering people through their crap.  They can kiss it.

[Thorne]

This could be a compelling alternative to the G2 depending on the quality of the lens.

 

That said the fact the screens are a mere 2.5" means they will placed very close to the eye to have decent FOV, not at all encouraging to those of us who use prescription lenses - I'll probably stick with the G2 for now.

 

Additionally I'm not a fan of my head being squeezed like an egg which was the last headstrap 'solution' for the Quest line.

Edited April 13, 2022 by Thorne

[dburne]

I will never take a headset that does not connect natively to Display Port serious for my PC-VR gaming. Why Meta does not include that in a higher tier headset is beyond  me. But then I also do not see them getting close to my Aero anytime soon for sure.

Edited April 13, 2022 by dburne

[chiliwili69]

It will be for end of year 2022. Most likely not ideal for IL-2. Which is more than good.

 

Later this year, we'll release a higher-end headset, codenamed Project Cambria, which will be more focused on work use cases and eventually replacing your laptop or work setup. This premium device will have improved ergonomics and full color passthrough mixed reality to seamlessly blend virtual reality with the physical world. We're also building in eye tracking and face tracking so that your avatar can make eye contact and facial expressions, which dramatically improves your sense of presence. It's also a good example of why we're developing hardware in addition to the social platforms.

We're bringing Horizon to more platforms, but if you want to be able to make eye contact or have your physical facial expressions just automatically get translated to your avatar in real-time, then our hardware will provide the best metaverse experience, whether you're playing a game or meeting with co-workers in Horizon Workrooms. We'll share more details about Project Cambria in the months ahead as we get ready to launch it.

 

https://seekingalpha.com/article/4504334-meta-platforms-inc-s-fb-ceo-mark-zuckerberg-on-q1-2022-results-earnings-call-transcript

[dburne]

No surprise there whatsoever.

[chiliwili69]

A leak video of the new Meta Quest Pro (Cambria). It is prety much like the previous 3D video leak.

 

I wonder how they will oclude the bottom side of the visor from the exterior world. It seems the gasket only cover the upper area.

 

 

[WIS-Redcoat]

I’m so glad I have been using the aero for most of 2022.  I can’t see this taking the stop spot.  Still, the quest 2 was a surprisingly good headset.

[dburne]

7 hours ago, WIS-Redcoat said:

I’m so glad I have been using the aero for most of 2022.  I can’t see this taking the stop spot.  Still, the quest 2 was a surprisingly good headset.

 

Agreed. Also I really don't think this Quest Pro's primary focus will be on PC-VR. We shall see though. Absolutely loving my Aero. It is all still just "leaks" though, but should have an announcement in Oct sounds like, probably during Connect.

Edited September 13, 2022 by dburne

[SCG_Fenris_Wolf]

I would not write this off yet. I see the heavy tendency here to write this off before having experienced it coupled with Aero praise. We all know what buyer's bias is, and that it's almost unavoidable. My Tesla had some quirks, but I love it to bits.

 

The feeling of presence is not to be underestimated, especially when coupled with similar clarity like the Aero, no warp, the ability to cast 120Hz, and free movement without wire.

 

The resolution - if the picture remains uncompressed - is fully sufficient especially since it will need to run at 2600x2600 given the type of lenses, supposedly giving a calm image with neither pixelation nor information loss.

 

What is very interesting is the contrast ratio, black levels and pixel shape. These three can make or break the deal.

 

These together with the stable picture and high refresh rate may give the best feeling of presence on the market. It is something we cannot put into numbers easily.

 

 

So, this is why we should not write it off yet. You guys know it's more than just numbers - always has been.?

 

 

P.S. The added freedom of activating real passthrough at will promises great comfort - flights are long, snacks and drinks are plentiful. You don't even need to take it off for a bathroom run, just make sure wifey sleeps and without hardware at the ready.?

[dburne]

Interesting I saw no tendency here by anyone to write off this upcoming headset from Meta. Maybe a little criticism.

I will admit to some bias on my end though - I most certainly do not like Meta at all.

Meta Leaks - gotta love em. Anything to get the media talking about - Meta.

Yes let's see what they actually release (finally).

[Dallas88B]

"the feeling of presence - this is the defining quality of the metaverse" : Zuckerberg 

Really? what the hell does that mean?

The people you deal with are not "present" ....... it seems very George Orwell 1984 Ministry of Truth

 

 

Facebook's Zuckerberg also says  :  "Everything we do online ... is going to be more NATURAL and vivid"  What rubbish. I like dealing with people face to face - having conversations and interactions that are NOT recorded, analyzed, sold and censored by Facebook

 

But the most telling of all "the creative economy we'll all build" Microtransactions $$$ license fees, membership fees, transaction fees, fees for meetings, money and power from selling every bit of data that they gather from the punters using their "service".... the sky is the limit !  Facebook on steroids. I watched this Facebook's Vision of the Metaverse in 3 Minutes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6b_wpVNq1C8 ...... Argh.... now I need to go and have a good wash.

 

On 4/2/2022 at 4:13 AM, [CPT]Crunch said:

They're not interested in engineering products for people, they're only interested in engineering people through their crap.  They can kiss it.

Absolutely. They can kiss it.

[chiliwili69]

11 hours ago, SCG_Fenris_Wolf said:

if the picture remains uncompressed

With no DP cable (as rummours indicate) you will necessarilly compress the picture like you do now with the USB Link cable on the Quest 2. So, level of detail will not be better (this is what we need in IL-2). But for social stuff and mad avatars is is more than enough.

FOV also is another important item here. I doubt the Quest Pro has more FOV than Index, but I would love to be wrong.

 

But as you say, all so far is runours and speculation, VR devices has to be tested by every individual, what it is good for one might not be good for others.

7 hours ago, Dallas88B said:

 

 

 

This smile of Mark is really mad.  How much I hate all those avatars.  All I want is a good VR device to fly my IL-2 plane.

All Oculus enthusiam and vision was really perveted by this crazy vision of the metaverse.

[firdimigdi]

2 hours ago, chiliwili69 said:

How much I hate all those avatars. 

 

I seem to recall Microsoft pushing similar avatars some years back but given that I don't see much about them around any more I guess they met the fate they deserved.

 

I really wonder who this is aimed at - not just the avatars, the whole idiotic concept of a Second Life clone which is all they've shown so far. If they wanted a true interconnected method of interaction with computers and networks there are numerous well thought and written sci-fi and speculative fiction books (a fitting starting point would be William Gibson's Sprawl series with its corporate-ruled world) that could serve as inspiration about what would be required and the implications. Currently as we are, smartphones for better or for worse are our "metaverse" nodes, adding multiple layers of complication already and I can't see that changing without a radical shift of what human-machine interaction entails.

 

As for the HMD mentioned in the thread, we'll just have to see something tangible before judging it. If it's worthwhile hardware then it might also be worth the hassle to jailbreak it as surely people will have a crack at doing.

 

Edited September 14, 2022 by Firdimigdi

[WIS-Redcoat]

18 hours ago, SCG_Fenris_Wolf said:

I would not write this off yet. I see the heavy tendency here to write this off before having experienced it coupled with Aero praise. We all know what buyer's bias is, and that it's almost unavoidable.

 

So, this is why we should not write it off yet. You guys know it's more than just numbers - always has been.?

 

Weird...  the only bias I see is a guy claiming other guys "wrote something off" where in reality they (including me) specifically did not "write it off". 

 

Ones' "heavy tendency" to bash opposition should not betray your intelligence.  We should all strive to be better men. 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited September 14, 2022 by WIS-Redcoat

[SCG_Fenris_Wolf]

We'll see, literally. 

[chiliwili69]

Well, today has been the Oculus Connect 2022, all predictions has became true. Price in Europe is 1799€!!  LOL.

 

Clearly not a device for gaming or home. They repeated 100 times "meeting" and "interacting with people".

 

I still can not see a clear use case in business for this device. We already have Teams at work, do I want Teams in VR??  mm... Really not. And not at that price.

I really don´t understand how Meta is still allowing that crazy guy to waste all that money at Reality Lab.

 

All I want is a good VR device to play IL-2.

A good Rift-2 with nice resolution, nice pancake lenses, nice FOV, confortable and with DP cable.

As easy as that.

 

I think the Half Dome prototype presented at OC three years ago went directly to the trash.

 

More than 10 years ago (August-2012) Palmer lunched the KS campaign for the DK1. I backed the KS. Oculus was looking for affordable devices and PCVR. And now everything at Meta is a non-sense. This is the beauty of company acquisitions!

[dburne]

Lol tell that to Palmer who sold out for the almighty dollar.

[dburne]

Meta lied about the Quest Pro:

 

 

 

Good ole Meta, God love em.

Edited October 16, 2022 by dburne

[TheSNAFU]

3 hours ago, dburne said:

Good ole Meta, God love em.

God loves em but most of us hate em lol

[SCG_Fenris_Wolf]

On 10/11/2022 at 9:32 PM, chiliwili69 said:

Well, today has been the Oculus Connect 2022, all predictions has became true. Price in Europe is 1799€!!  LOL.

 

Clearly not a device for gaming or home. They repeated 100 times "meeting" and "interacting with people".

 

I still can not see a clear use case in business for this device. We already have Teams at work, do I want Teams in VR??  mm... Really not. And not at that price.

I really don´t understand how Meta is still allowing that crazy guy to waste all that money at Reality Lab.

 

All I want is a good VR device to play IL-2.

A good Rift-2 with nice resolution, nice pancake lenses, nice FOV, confortable and with DP cable.

As easy as that.

 

I think the Half Dome prototype presented at OC three years ago went directly to the trash.

 

More than 10 years ago (August-2012) Palmer lunched the KS campaign for the DK1. I backed the KS. Oculus was looking for affordable devices and PCVR. And now everything at Meta is a non-sense. This is the beauty of company acquisitions!

1799, over 9000 pesos. Jesus Christ. Anyway, they're going to have to deliver next year.

 

This was beyond all expectations. I had heard 999, 1199, and 899. But 1799 is crazy balls, we can fly our entire families to holidays with this even today