alt f5-f6 flares remove please bring back or make option for multiplayer

[RossMarBow]

Yes being able to fire a flare out of any plane without having to open the cockpit is broken
But for multiplayer its less gamey to have people shooting off flares than spamming nav lights

Please bring them back or at least make them an option 

edit: 1946 multiplayer let you use coloured smoke - which was the primary means of communication
you need to have some sort of option for a 'gamey' communication method in multiplayer 
otherwise things get messy

Edited March 17, 2022 by brahguevara

[Asgar]

Use your flare gun!??

[LukeFF]

Just now, Asgar said:

Use your flare gun!??

 

Yes, I don't understand the original complaint, either. Every plane has a flare pistol that comes with at least 9 flares and can be fired with or without the canopy opened, depending on the plane.

[RossMarBow]

Flare gun is just a pain to use though 
Would be nice if it was streamlined to one key press

[AEthelraedUnraed]

49 minutes ago, brahguevara said:

Flare gun is just a pain to use though 
Would be nice if it was streamlined to one key press

Then reassign it to a single key that is easy to use for you?

[Raptorattacker]

3 hours ago, brahguevara said:

Flare gun is just a pain to use though 

... but it's a simulator?

[firdimigdi]

5 hours ago, brahguevara said:

Flare gun is just a pain to use though 
Would be nice if it was streamlined to one key press

 

There was this story I heard in an interview of a pilot in the Middle East where he had a flare fail to ignite and he had to do some piloting at the time, so he put it back in place to change heading and altitude only to have it ignite in the holster. Due to the cockpit being a mess of oil after some hasty repairs made before he took off and the maps that were near the holster providing adequate kindling soon his cockpit turned into a smoking fire pit forcing him to bail out and spend a few hours in a dinghy in the sunny Mediterranean.

[RossMarBow]

For the planes that don't have holes for the flare gun
You should still only have to press flare once it should automatically crack open the cockpit to fire then auto close it again

[Asgar]

1 hour ago, brahguevara said:

For the planes that don't have holes for the flare gun
You should still only have to press flare once it should automatically crack open the cockpit to fire then auto close it again

No, why should that be? The plane was not designed to be comfortable like that, unlike some that were, so these planes have a disadvantage in that regard. 

The Me 262 can't retract the flaps and gear at the same time, IRL and in the sim. should that be changed, cause it would be easier? No.

[kendo]

2 hours ago, brahguevara said:

For the planes that don't have holes for the flare gun
You should still only have to press flare once it should automatically crack open the cockpit to fire then auto close it again

 

Sorry. Totally disagree.

 

I imagine for a real pilot the distraction from his ability to fly and fight while readying and firing a flare is much more accurately simulated by the current system.

 

This is a simulation isn't it? For a community that constantly avows its desire to scale the heights of simulation accuracy, and throws the accusation 'arcade' around as the worst imaginable insult, I'm often surprised to find that when it gets in the way of kill counts and MP online 'efficiency' anything is fair game.

 

 

[RossMarBow]

Neither of you play multiplayer

So why do you think you opinions matter? 

If you are just playing single player you can do whatever you want.

[Asgar]

1 hour ago, brahguevara said:

Neither of you play multiplayer

So why do you think you opinions matter? 

If you are just playing single player you can do whatever you want.

I just don’t play on wings of potato, so you don’t know me. Go back to your sand box and play with your friends

[AEthelraedUnraed]

6 hours ago, brahguevara said:

So why do you think you opinions matter?

And why exactly do you think *your* opinions matter?

 

Some aircraft historically had a flare gun port through which flares could be shot. Others hadn't. To say that firing a flare gun should be a single key press for both cases because it's "unfair" otherwise, is akin to saying that a Bf-109K4 is unfair if you're flying an I-16 because it's got a more powerful engine. That's not unfair, that's history, and if you don't like it, you should fly a more powerful plane. Similarly, if the ability to shoot flares without opening your canopy is so important to you, you should pick a plane that has that ability.

[kendo]

10 hours ago, brahguevara said:

Neither of you play multiplayer

So why do you think you opinions matter? 

If you are just playing single player you can do whatever you want.

 

?    If we get a one key-press flare gun, then I want a one key-press landing: press it and the plane is auto-landed for you.

 

Would be useful and save time and effort on the less interesting bits.

[[CPT]milopugdog]

Problem: player wants to equip flare gun and open canopy at same time

Solution: bind the flare gun and open canopy command to the same button

 

There you go, have fun OP!

[RossMarBow]

On 4/14/2022 at 7:24 AM, [CPT]milopugdog said:

Problem: player wants to equip flare gun and open canopy at same time

Solution: bind the flare gun and open canopy command to the same button

 

There you go, have fun OP!

I tried it doesn't work very well, you need a little bit of delay
I guess with a macro I could just do that
But it feels dumb to have to setup a macro just to get around janky control systems

 

The rest of you are just clowns
a) I can fix this myself with a macro
b) none of you are on finnish or CB stat sheets or discord, so idk what your playing, maybe FC considering how slow you all are?

Edited April 16, 2022 by brahguevara

[56RAF_Roblex]

On 4/10/2022 at 10:15 AM, Asgar said:

The Me 262 can't retract the flaps and gear at the same time, IRL and in the sim. should that be changed, cause it would be easier? No.

 

Is that the case?   I am pretty sure you can do both in the Hurricane in-game while the actual plane could not.   I don't fly the 262 so I don't know or it could be I just have not noticed that the Hurricane was not doing both at the same time ?

 

Edited April 16, 2022 by 56RAF_Roblex

[Strewth]

14 minutes ago, brahguevara said:

The rest of you are just clowns
a) I can fix this myself with a macro
b) none of you are on finnish or CB stat sheets or discord, so idk what your playing, maybe FC considering how slow you all are?

What is it lately with the attitude from some of you?
Talk about a demanding little rude brat.
You can always fly More Chunder if this isn't arcadey enough for you.
Cheers

[SidtheGit]

29 minutes ago, 56RAF_Roblex said:

 

Is that the case?   I am pretty sure you can do both in the Hurricane in-game while the actual plane could not.   I don't fly the 262 so I don't know or it could be I just have not noticed that the Hurricane was not doing both at the same time ?

 

That is the case for the 262, both systems don't operate at the same time so when I fly it's wheels up first then flaps.

Edited April 16, 2022 by SidtheGit

[KevPBur]

I don't currently play online (perhaps if I can learn to spot with my 50 year old eyes with double vision) so a question to the OP with no attempt to suggest validity or otherwise of your request on my part.

 

The only flares I see in single player are from home airfields and 190 flight leaders, although I have no idea what he is trying to tell me.

 

What is the purpose of flare signals in multiplayer and why do you need to be able to signal so quickly?

[Strewth]

2 hours ago, 56RAF_Roblex said:

 

Is that the case?   I am pretty sure you can do both in the Hurricane in-game while the actual plane could not.   I don't fly the 262 so I don't know or it could be I just have not noticed that the Hurricane was not doing both at the same time ?

 

I am pretty sure the Hurricane does not allow both actions at the same time.
Gotta get back on for some bang bang shoot 'em up.
Bloody work keeps getting in the way.

 

[56RAF_Roblex]

1 hour ago, KevPBur said:

I don't currently play online (perhaps if I can learn to spot with my 50 year old eyes with double vision) so a question to the OP with no attempt to suggest validity or otherwise of your request on my part.

 

The only flares I see in single player are from home airfields and 190 flight leaders, although I have no idea what he is trying to tell me.

 

What is the purpose of flare signals in multiplayer and why do you need to be able to signal so quickly?

 

I don't often play offline but I do remember doing a Mig-3 campaign where the leader used flares to signal whether to form up & rtb or attack the nearest air or ground targets.   If you were the leader then picking the option to tell your flight to do these things caused you to fire a flare.  That might have happened in an I-16 campaign as well (note I am talking about campaigns, possibly player written, as this was before Career Mode was added.

 

Online some people use flares while saying in comms WTTE "Help!. I am being shot to pieces.  Look for the flare to see where I am!"   which is why they would prefer to be able to do it quickly and easily (though I am not saying I agree).    I also see people firing flares after landing to guide in a friend who is near the home airfield but can't quite find it ?

Edited April 16, 2022 by 56RAF_Roblex

[AEthelraedUnraed]

1 hour ago, brahguevara said:

question to the OP with no attempt to suggest validity or otherwise of your request on my part

 

ok boomer

why don't you stick to posting rubbish on facebook?
 

 

do you fly with other people online?

do they spam nav lights?

if so you might just be shit posting 

because nav lights as they work currently are 100% broken 

but will eventually be fixed

leaving on flares for communication 

for those of you who don't play multiplayer - nav lights are what people use to form up on flight lead or "Help!. I am being shot to pieces.  Look for the flare nav lights to see where I am!" 

 

I feel like you old folks don't understand what a macro is 

so I will google an example of it for you 

"How I dramatically decreased my blah blah blah World learning curve.

 I spent my first few days in blah blah blah frustrated. Learning hundreds of commands and then mapping them to my T.Flight Hotas X was tedious and time consuming.

All these frustrations disappeared after discovering VoiceAttack. I know there are other products like VAC - but this one was cheaper at only $8...and it took just minutes to setup a profile.

Now my flight stick isn't cluttered with modifiers. Just trim mapped to the hat, all the other basic flight controls, and weapons handling.

I'm new to this sim so I don't know how well known this program is - but if you're new like me and especially if you're playing in the rift - you need to get this program or one of its competitors. It's a joy rhyming off commands like "Vertical Scan Mode" and "Longitudinal Missile Aiming mode" in the heat of battle and I even have a full plane start-up macro recorded for when I say "permission to start engines"

Now my biggest problem is getting new modules...the next sale can't come soon enough."

I don't use voice attack, but most keyboard and mouse software packages include macro recording and binding
I use autohotkey 

 

But why should I have to record a macro when it would be better just to have common sense game design 
If I press the flare button and the plane needs to open the cockpit it should just do it
A lot of the appeal of IL-2 is its common sense design compared to other games click fests

simulator (plural simulators)

1. One who simulates or feigns.
2. A machine or system that simulates an environment (such as an aircraft cockpit), often for training purposes.

Now please tell me how it fits into the definition of a simulator to have a single keypress for all aircraft, whereas historically some aircraft had a significant advantage to firing flares in that they had flare ports.

 

Honest question, since this is the very least the Devs need answered before they'll even start considering to implement it.

 

If you want to shoot insta-flares and not care about the historical handicaps of certain aircraft, a less accurate "simulator" like WarThunder might be more suited to you. That's nothing to be ashamed of; to each his own. If waiting a couple of seconds until the canopy is open before you can fire is too much for you, I honestly think you've made a wrong choice in buying IL2.

Edited April 17, 2022 by AEthelraedUnraed

[Lusekofte]

1 hour ago, brahguevara said:

because nav lights as they work currently are 100% broken 

You been here for less than 2 years.

The Nav lights has just been fixed. They lit up the entire map before.

I get that you look at this as a competition. I accept the fact that people use this game differently..

The nav light is not for signaling friends.

It is not signal light, kiddo.

You might think you hurt older people by calling them boomer, but you don't. 

We have all had teenagers in the house, our skin is thick. Obnoxious kids is a daily encounter once we leave the house.

If you want to be taken seriously, stop act like one

[Hoots]

12 minutes ago, LuseKofte said:

You been here for less than 2 years.

The Nav lights has just been fixed. They lit up the entire map before.

I get that you look at this as a competition. I accept the fact that people use this game differently..

The nav light is not for signaling friends.

It is not signal light, kiddo.

You might think you hurt older people by calling them boomer, but you don't. 

We have all had teenagers in the house, our skin is thick. Obnoxious kids is a daily encounter once we leave the house.

If you want to be taken seriously, stop act like one

Yep, bless him, he actually thinks he’s making us hurt not making us amused. Gotta love teenagers, nature’s way of making sure you’re happy when the kids move out. 

[Lusekofte]

9 minutes ago, Hoots said:

Yep, bless him, he actually thinks he’s making us hurt not making us amused. Gotta love teenagers, nature’s way of making sure you’re happy when the kids move out. 

I miss the way I was sure I was right when young. 

Old grunts knew nothing, they did not understand.

Now, I know there is at least two sides of things. I understand the youngsters frustration no matter how trivial they are. I cannot muster being upset by the behavior. I have become a old grunt, I just realise they did understand, they just did not look at my problem as a problem, they had problems for real in their lives

[MisterSmith]

Locked until I clean it up. If you are obviously violating Rule 7 delete your entries now and save me some moderating time.

 

Opened back up after the cleanup. 

 

Conduct your arguments to the topic at hand.