Jackfraser24 Posted July 26, 2022 Posted July 26, 2022 (edited) Ilyushin IL-4 Why it should be in the game Most produced Soviet medium bomber of the war (5,200+) The IL-4 proved to be a reliable twin engined bomber Well liked by VVS air crew due to its toughness and good quality Has a ceiling of 7,000 metres Able to withstand attacks from German fighters and anti-aircraft weapons while flying only on one engine Has a maximum payload of 2,600 kg Can carry torpedos - would be great in Kuban Edited July 26, 2022 by Jackfraser24 6
Jackfraser24 Posted July 27, 2022 Posted July 27, 2022 8 hours ago, ITAF_Rani said: Italian planes pls ...this is the time !! Maachi 200 Maachi 205 Fiat G.50 Fiat G.55 R.E 2005 3
Jackfraser24 Posted July 28, 2022 Posted July 28, 2022 Why the Macchi 200 should be made Four squadrons (51 units) were sent to the USSR in September 1941 (more than the Macchi 202) Between 1941-42 they had a shoot down ratio of 88:15 used on Eastern Front between August 1941 to January 1943 Good climb rate Dive speed threshold of 805 km/h without flutter or elastic deformities Open cockpit was chosen over fully glazed because that’s what the pilots wanted after flying biplanes beforehand Can carry eight 15kg bombs, or two 50kg bombs, or one 100kg bomb or one 150kg bomb Equipped with two 12.7mm SAFAT machine guns containing 310 or 370 rounds Top Speed of 504 km/h, range of 570 km, stall speed of 128 km/h Not outstanding but not bad if you know how to use it 4
Jackfraser24 Posted August 2, 2022 Posted August 2, 2022 Why the He-111 H-2 should be passed for consideration The H-2 would be useful at Moscow and Stalingrad to complement the later H-6 model. The H-2 would create new pilot careers in Moscow and Stalingrad. The many Bf-109s and Fw-190s in the game kind of represents the evolution of the types. I’m not saying we should add the H-2 for the sake of showing off the evolution of the He-111, but I think people would be interested in flying a H-2 model that flew in both the Battle of Britain and the earlier parts of the Eastern Front. Would be be as well liked as the He-111 H-6 since it can fly long distances, and offers a wide field of vision to pilots and gunners alike.
1CGS LukeFF Posted August 2, 2022 1CGS Posted August 2, 2022 38 minutes ago, Jackfraser24 said: Why the He-111 H-2 should be passed for consideration The H-2 would be useful at Moscow and Stalingrad to complement the later H-6 model. The H-2 would create new pilot careers in Moscow and Stalingrad. The many Bf-109s and Fw-190s in the game kind of represents the evolution of the types. I’m not saying we should add the H-2 for the sake of showing off the evolution of the He-111, but I think people would be interested in flying a H-2 model that flew in both the Battle of Britain and the earlier parts of the Eastern Front. Would be be as well liked as the He-111 H-6 since it can fly long distances, and offers a wide field of vision to pilots and gunners alike. Sorry, I don't want to be that guy again, but there were 0 H-2s at Stalingrad, so it would be only be useful on the Moscow map for a short period of time before being replaced by the H-6. 1
Jackfraser24 Posted August 2, 2022 Posted August 2, 2022 (edited) 48 minutes ago, LukeFF said: Sorry, I don't want to be that guy again, but there were 0 H-2s at Stalingrad, so it would be only be useful on the Moscow map for a short period of time before being replaced by the H-6. That’s okay. If you don’t say, I’ll never know Edited August 2, 2022 by Jackfraser24
Jackfraser24 Posted August 5, 2022 Posted August 5, 2022 Why the A-20G (1943) should be passed for consideration. Would especially appeal to Havoc fans. The A-20G is an aircraft desired by many to be made. Could be used as a conventional bomber, dive bomber, torpedo bomber or a ground attack aircraft. Thick armour - can take a good beating. Good range (1,650 km/1,025 miles). We need more types of bombers. The aircraft be easier and less time consuming to make since they’d be basing it off the A-20B. Top speed of 510km/h. Can carry 1,800+kg of bombs (~4,000lbs). Used by a variety of countries like Britain and America, as well as by the Soviet Union, Canada, Brazil, The Netherlands Australia and New Zealand. Lots of air forces and skins to choose from. Would be useful in Kuban, Normandy and Bodenplatte. The A-20G would create extra pilot career missions or replace the earlier A-20B in some others. 1
gimpy117 Posted August 6, 2022 Posted August 6, 2022 (edited) I can agree that a later A-20 and an IL-4 are must haves. that being said, I's also want to see a wellington but that's maybe not as relevant as a Beaufort Edited August 6, 2022 by gimpy117
Jackfraser24 Posted August 17, 2022 Posted August 17, 2022 (edited) Here is the IL-2 Ultimate Edition Plane list. Flyable and un-flyable. Allies (Flyable) A-20C, 1941 A-20G, 1943 B-25J-1NA, 1944 Beaufighter Mk.21, 1944 BI-1, 1942 BI-6, 1942 Buffalo Mk.I, 1941 CW-21B, 1940 F2A-2, 1941 F4F-3, 1941 F4F-4, 1942 FM-2, 1943 F4U-1A, 1943 F4U-1C, 1945 F4U-1D, 1944 Corsair Mk.I, 1943 Corsair Mk.II, 1943 Corsair Mk.IV, 1944 F6F-3 Late, 1943 F6F-5, 1944 Hurricane Mk.IIb, 1940 Hurricane Mk.IIc, 1941 Hurricane Mk.II field mod I-15bis, 1937 I-15bis (skis), 1937 I-153 M-62, 1939 I-153P, 1939 I-16 Type 5, 1935 I-16 Type 5 (SPB), 1938 I-16 Type 5 (skis), 1935 I-16 Type 6, 1937 I-16 Type 6 (skis), 1937 I-16 Type 18, 1939 I-16 Type 24, 1939 I-16 Type 24 (SPB), 1939 I-185 M-71, 1942 I-185 M-82A, 1942 I-250, 1946 IL-2, 1941 (1 series) IL-2, 1941 (2 series) IL-2, 1941 (3 series) IL-2 field mod IL-2I, 1943 IL-2M, 1942 (first series) IL-2M, 1942 (later series) IL-2T, 1943 IL-2 Type 3, 1943 IL-2, Type 3M, 1943 IL-4, 1942 IL-10, 1945 LaGG-3, 1941 (4 series) LaGG-3, 1942 (29 series) LaGG-3, 1942 (35 series) LaGG-3 IT, 1943 LaGG-3, 1943 (66 series) LaGG-3 RD, 1944 La-5, 1942 La-5F, 1943 La-5FN, 1943 La-7, 1944 La-7 3xB-20, 1944 La-7R, 1945 MiG-3, 1940 MiG-3ud, 1941 MiG-3 2xUB, 1941 MiG-3 2xshVAK, 1941 MiG-3 AM-38, 1941 MiG-3U, 1942 MiG-9 (I-300), 1946 MiG-9FS, 1946 Mosquito FB.Mk.VI, 1943 Mosquito FB.Mk.XVIII, 1943 P.11c, 1939 P-38J, 1943 P-38L, 1944 P-38L Late, 1944 P-400, 1941 P-39 D-1, 1941 P-39 D-2, 1941 P-39, N-1, 1942 P-39 Q-1, 1944 P-39 Q-10, 1944 Hawk 81 A-2, 1941 P-40B, 1941 P-40C, 1941 Tomahawk Mk.IIa, 1941 Tomahawk Mk.IIb, 1941 P-40E, 1941 P-40E M-105 field mod P-40M, 1942 P-47 D-10, 1943 P-47 D-22, 1943 P-47 D-27, 1944 P-47 D (unspecified sub-variant), 1944 P-51 B-NA, 1943 P-51 C-NT, 1943 P-51 D-5NT, 1944 P-51 D-20NA, 1944 Mustang Mk.III, 1944 P-63 C-5, 1944 Pe-2, 1940 (1 series) Pe-2, 1942 (84 series) Pe-2, 1942 (110 series) Pe-2, 1944 (359 series) Pe-3, 1941 Pe-3 bis, 1941 Pe-8, 1940 SBD-3, 1942 SPD-5, 1943 Seafire L Mk.III 1943 Seafire F Mk.III 1943 Spitfire F Mk.Vb early, 1941 Spitfire F Mk.Vb, 1941 Spitfire F Mk.Vb, 1942 Spitfire F Mk.Vb CW, 1943 Spitfire LF Mk.Vb, 1942 Spitfire LF Mk.Vb CW, 1943 Spitfire F Mk.Vb Merlin46, 1942 Spitfire F Mk.Vc(2) trop, early 1942 Spitfire F Mk.Vc(2) trop, 1942 Spitfire F Mk.Vc(4) trop, early 1942 Spitfire LF Mk.VIII, 1943 Spitfire LF Mk.VIII CW, 1943 Spitfire F Mk.IXc, 1942 Spitfire F Mk.IXc, 1943 Spitfire LF Mk.IXc, 1943 Spitfire LF Mk.IXc CW, 1943 Spitfire HF Mk.IXc, 1944 Spitfire LF Mk.IXe, 1944 Spitfire LF Mk.IXc CW 25lbs, 1944 Spitfire LF Mk.IXe CW 25lbs, 1944 Tempest Mk.V, 1944 TB-3 4M-17, 1933 TB-3 4M-34R, 1933 TB-3 4M-34R (SPB) TB-7 M-40F, 1940 Yak-1, 1941 Yak-1b, 1942 Yak-3, 1944 Yak-3P, 1945 Yak-3 VK-107, 1945 Yak-3R, 1944 Yak-7A, 1941 Yak-7B, 1941 Yak-9, 1942 Yak-9B, 1944 Yak-9D, 1943 Yak-9M, 1944 Yak-9K, 1944 Yak-9T, 1943 Yak-9U, 1944 Yak-9UT, 1945 Un-flyable B-17 D, 1941 B-17 E, 1941 B-17 F, 1942 B-17 G, 1943 B-24 J-100CF, 1943 B-29, 1944 B-25 C-25NA, 1943 B-25 G-1NA, 1943 B-25 H-1NA, 1943 Blenheim Mk.IV C-47, 1941 DB-3b, 1936 DB-3m, 1939 DB-3t, 1939 DB-3f, 1941 IK-3, 1941 Li-2, 1939 MBR-2 AM-34, 1937 Hawk 75 A-3, 1939 Hawk 75, A-4, 1939 R-5, 1931 R-10, 1940 Su-2, 1941 Swordfish Mk.I, 1936 TBD-1, 1937 TBF-1, 1942 TBF-1C, 1943 TMB-3, 1943 Avenger Mk.III, 1944 Tu-2S Axis A6M2, 1940 A6M2-21, 1941 A6M2-N, 1942 A6M3, 1942 A6M5, 1943 A6M5a, 1944 A6M5b, 1944 A6M5c, 1944 A6M7-62, 1945 A6M7-63, 1945 Ar-234 B-2/Ipr, 1944 B-239, 1940 B-534-IV, 1937 Bf-109 E-4, 1940 Bf-109 E-4/B, 1940 Bf-109 E-7/B, 1941 Bf-109 E-7Z, 1941 Bf-109 F-2, 1941 Bf-109 F-4, 1941 Bf-109 G-2, 1942 Bf-109 G-6, 1943 Bf-109 G-6 late, 1943 Bf-109 G-6/AS, 1944 Bf-109 G-10, 1944 Bf-109 G-14, 1944 Bf-109 K-4, 1944 Bf-109 K-4 C3, 1945 Bf-109 Z, 1944 Bf-110 G-2 CR.42, 1939 D.XXI sarja 3 Early, 1939 D.XXI sarja 3 Late, 1941 D3A1, 1940 Do-335 A-0, 1944 Do-335 V-13, 1946 Fw-190 A-4, 1942 Fw-190 A-4 1.42 Ata, 1942 Fw-190 A-5, 1943 Fw-190 A-5 1.65 Ata, 1943 Fw-190 A-6, 1943 Fw-190 A-8, 1944 Fw-190 A-9, 1944 Fw-190 D-9, 1944 Fw-190 D-9, 1945 Fw-190 F-8, 1944 G.50, 1938 G4M1-11, 1941 Go-229 A-1, 1945 He-111 H-2, 1939 He-111 H-6, 1941 He-111 H-12, 1942 He-162 A-2, 1945 He-162C, 1946 He-162D, 1946 Heinkel Lerche III B-2, 1946 Hurricane Mk.I (The Finnish used them.) Hs-129 B-2, 1942 Hs-129 B-3/WA, 1944 I.A.R. 80, 1940 I.A.R. 81a, 1940 I.A.R. 81c, 1940 J2M3, 1944 J2M5, 1944 J8A, 1937 Ju-87 B-2, 1940 Ju-87 D-3, 1942 Ju-87 D-5, 1943 Ju-87 G-1, 1943 Ju-88 A-4, 1941 Ju-88 A-4/Torp, 1942 Ju-88 A-17, 1943 Ki-27 Ko, 1938 Ki-27 Otsu, 1938 Ki-43 Ia, 1941 Ki-43 Ib, 1941 Ki-43 Ic, 1941 Ki-43 II, 1942 Ki-43 II Kai, 1943 Ki-61 I Ko, 1942 Ki-61 I Hei, 1944 Ki-61 I Otsu, 1943 Ki-84 Ia, 1944 Ki-84 Ib, 1944 Ki-84 Ic, 1945 Ki-100 I Ko Mc.200 Serie III 1940 Mc.200 Serie VII 1941 Mc.200 Serie VII FB, 1941 Mc.202 Serie III, 1941 Mc.202 Serie VII, 1942 Mc.202 Serie XII, 1943 Mc.205 V Serie I, 1943 Mc.205 V Serie III, 1943 Me-163 B-1a, 1944 Me-262 A-1a, 1944 Me-262 A-1a/U4, 1945 Me-262 A-2a, 1944 Me-262 HG-II, 1946 N1K2-Ja, 1944 Re.2000, 1940 SM.79, 1936 Ta-152 C, 1945 Ta-152 H-1, 1945 Ta-183, 1946 Un-flyable Ar-196 A-3, 1938 B5N2, 1939 B6N2, 1944 Bf-110 C-4, 1940 Bf-110 C-4/B Blenheim Mk.I (Finnish), 1937 CANT Z.506B, 1939 CANT Z.1007bis, 1940 Do-217 K-1, 1942 Do-217 K-2, 1943 Fi-156, 1939 Fw-189 A-2, 1941 Fw-200 C-3/U4, 1941 G.55 Serie I, 1943 G.55 Serie I Late, 1944 G.55 Sottoserie 0, 1943 G.55 Sottoserie 0 Late, 1943 G4M2E, 1945 Gladiator Mk.I (Finnish), 1937 Gladiator Mk.II, 1938 H8K1, 1942 He-111 Z Zwilling, 1942 Hs-123 A-1, 1936 Hs-123 B-1, 1936 J8A, 1937 (Swedish built Gladiator) Ju-52/3mg4e, 1937 Ju-52/3mg5e, 1939 Ki-21-I, 1938 Ki-21-II, 1940 Ki-45 Kai Hei, 1943 Ki-45 Kai Tei, 1944 Ki-46-III Kai, 1944 Ki-46-III Kai Otsu, 1945 Ki-46-III Recce, 1943 L2D, 1941 (Japanese built C-47) Me-210 Ca-1, 1943 Me-210 Ca-1 Zerstörer Me-321, 1941 Me-323, 1942 M.S.406, 1936 M.S.410, 1938 Mörkö Morane, 1944 MXY7-11, 1945 Re.2002, 1943 S-328-II, 1936 Edited August 17, 2022 by Jackfraser24
Stab./JG3_Hartmann Posted August 19, 2022 Posted August 19, 2022 On 8/23/2021 at 11:11 PM, AndyJWest said: They don't seem to be as well documented as some of the other Luftwaffe aircraft, and neither is there much in the way of surviving hardware. Still possible though, I suppose. I'd certainly buy either, without hesitation. Sorry to hijack an old thread but: There are still drawings and everything left and even a complete instrument board and other stuff of a Do 217 is on display in Friedrichshafen, Germany where Dornier had it‘s base. And imho it would be a better option than a Ju 188 simply because it would bring more new stuff than just a slightly upgraded Ju 88 with no real benefits other than a different cockpit and wing Lay-out while the Do 217 would have more payload, an equally good defensive armament and would be even a bit faster in most cases.
Avimimus Posted August 20, 2022 Posted August 20, 2022 (edited) 10 hours ago, Stab./JG3_Hartmann said: And imho it would be a better option than a Ju 188 simply because it would bring more new stuff than just a slightly upgraded Ju 88 with no real benefits other than a different cockpit and wing Lay-out while the Do 217 would have more payload, an equally good defensive armament and would be even a bit faster in most cases. Yes, but what a cockpit layout!! As for your other comments - the Do-217 wins in terms of bombload (especially internal bomb load), but it is worse in terms of defensive armament. If we look at the defensive armament of each variant we see the following: The big difference is that the Ju-188 has two dorsal turrets - one of which can carry an Mg-151/20 automatic cannon. The front gun could also be upgraded to be an Mg-151/20 (if it wasn't removed entirely) and the ventral gun could be upgraded to be an Mg-131. It had three defensive reward facing gunner positions, and at maximum it could carry 2x13mm and 2x20mm cannons in four turrets. Compare this to a late war Do-217K (or M) which could upgrade its ventral Mg-81z to be an Mg-131, thus giving it 2xMg-131 and 1xMg81z (flexible forward firing). In other words, 2x7.92mm and 2x13mm. The mid-war Do-217E sometimes only carried 7.92mm guns as its defensive armament. However, some subversions could be upgraded to have two Mg131 13mm guns for defensive (and sometimes retaining 7.92mm guns to fire out the side windows). Where it really shines is offensive armament - with the possibility to carry both a Flexible MG-FF 20mm cannon and a fixed MG-151/15 15mm cannon. So if you want to strafe the Do-217E is better but if you want defensive guns then the Ju-188 provides a second dorsal turret (similar to a Tu-2 and with significantly more firepower than a Pe-2). Note: These charts are in Joules per five second burst. If one were to include the explosive component of the rounds the cannons do much better. So these charts actually understate the difference in firepower. Edited August 20, 2022 by Avimimus 1
FliegerAD Posted August 22, 2022 Posted August 22, 2022 Such a beautiful aircraft with the completely glazed, stepless cockpit:
Avimimus Posted August 22, 2022 Posted August 22, 2022 Note: There is an issue with the graph I posted in that it showed typical armaments - and the ventral gun on the Ju-188E can be as powerful as that on the Do-217. Either would be a great aircraft to have though. I wish the Do-217 was better documented actually. It is a shame that so many captured examples were briefly studied and then scrapped without preservation or sufficient documentation! It'd be pretty cool to have either aircraft to be honest. Although I'd prefer the earlier Do 217E as it could be used from 1941 to the end of 1944 (whereas the K and M variants are later)... although I do like cockpit glazing - I'd definitely favour the Ju-188's cockpit layout. So in a perfect world I'd probably go for both a Do-217E and a Ju-188
CUJO_1970 Posted August 22, 2022 Posted August 22, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Avimimus said: I wish the Do-217 was better documented actually. Other than a complete extant aircraft, I'm not sure what would be missing? There are blueprints, as well as engine data, manuals, flight test reports - there is also an interesting RAE report on the 801 as installed on the Dornier. Virtually certain every cockpit instrument has a photograph of it removed from the aircraft as well. Edited August 22, 2022 by CUJO_1970 1
sevenless Posted August 22, 2022 Posted August 22, 2022 (edited) So we still have a lot of potential in the 1943-1945 axis twin engined bomber department. Do 217 E, M or K or Ju 188 A2, E1, D2, F1 or F2. Looks like they wont run out of options anytime soon. Even modelling Fritz-X or Hs-293 would make a lot of sense once/if anti-shipping gets more fleshed out. Edited August 22, 2022 by sevenless
Jackfraser24 Posted August 26, 2022 Posted August 26, 2022 Why the P-38L should be in the game. Would appeal to P-38 Lightning fans who want to see earlier or later versions of the P-38 other than the P-38J-25. The P-38L would have a purpose in Bodenplatte being a career plane option because it was a contemporary plane at that time (later half of 1944). The P-38L was the most numerous variant, with way more built than the J (3,800+ vs ~2,970 respectively). The P-38 L-5 was the most common sub-variant. Equiped with air-brakes. Avionics are controlled via hydraulics rather than by cable wire (one benefit is having a faster rate of role). Machine guns are loaded with lots of ammunition (2,000 rounds). Cannons are loaded with 150 shells).
SidtheGit Posted August 26, 2022 Posted August 26, 2022 Perhaps the new profile setup will help with setting the 52 up now. It really is a fun plane to fly. Working out the flaps system was a 'lightbulb' moment for me....on take off and landing, set the trim to about 2 degrees and engage the flaps down button. This links the flaps to the trim wheel and you can set the degrees of flap you want using the trim wheel. Makes for great STOL landings and take offs when doing those supply runs in remote areas. When in the air, disengage the flaps using flaps up button and use trim as normal.
Jackfraser24 Posted August 26, 2022 Posted August 26, 2022 Why the Fw-190 A-4 should be in the game. Would be useful in Kuban alongside the Fw-190 A-5. Very powerful firepower. Engine not prone to overheating at full power (still can happen though). 975 units were produced between 1942-43. Can be fitted with rocket mortars, bomb racks, cameras (recon), and can be used as a long range fighter bomber. Was in the original IL-2 1946. Adding the A-4 would make way for more career missions. 1
CountZero Posted August 26, 2022 Posted August 26, 2022 52 minutes ago, Jackfraser24 said: Why the P-38L should be in the game. Would appeal to P-38 Lightning fans who want to see earlier or later versions of the P-38 other than the P-38J-25. The P-38L would have a purpose in Bodenplatte being a career plane option because it was a contemporary plane at that time (later half of 1944). The P-38L was the most numerous variant, with way more built than the J (3,800+ vs ~2,970 respectively). The P-38 L-5 was the most common sub-variant. Equiped with air-brakes. Avionics are controlled via hydraulics rather than by cable wire (one benefit is having a faster rate of role). Machine guns are loaded with lots of ammunition (2,000 rounds). Cannons are loaded with 150 shells). This is same like ppl asking for 109E4 when we already have E7, J-25 we have in game is same as L version, and L version was at time of bobp mostly used in Italy or PTO, small amount of them were in area we have compared to J. To bad bosted alerons and air-brake was not made as modification that we can turn on/off, then we could have earlyer J versions mostly used in BoN with J-25 we have. We have early and late version of 47 and 51, giving it timeline from 43-45, when it comes to 38 we need earlyer version like G for example to also get 43-45 op for 38s out of it.
FeuerFliegen Posted August 26, 2022 Posted August 26, 2022 56 minutes ago, Jackfraser24 said: Why the P-38L should be in the game. Would appeal to P-38 Lightning fans who want to see earlier or later versions of the P-38 other than the P-38J-25. The P-38L would have a purpose in Bodenplatte being a career plane option because it was a contemporary plane at that time (later half of 1944). The P-38L was the most numerous variant, with way more built than the J (3,800+ vs ~2,970 respectively). The P-38 L-5 was the most common sub-variant. Equiped with air-brakes. Avionics are controlled via hydraulics rather than by cable wire (one benefit is having a faster rate of role). Machine guns are loaded with lots of ammunition (2,000 rounds). Cannons are loaded with 150 shells). Post seems pretty off-topic, but.... The J-25 version we have now has air brakes. The J-25 version we have now has hydraulically controlled ailerons. Earlier J versions did not; maybe that's why you thought that. The J-25 version we have now has the option to add 2,000 rounds of .50 ammunition. other than those features, what benefits would there be to the L-5? 2
Jackfraser24 Posted August 26, 2022 Posted August 26, 2022 6 minutes ago, SCG_FeuerFliegen said: Post seems pretty off-topic, but.... The J-25 version we have now has air brakes. The J-25 version we have now has hydraulically controlled ailerons. Earlier J versions did not; maybe that's why you thought that. The J-25 version we have now has the option to add 2,000 rounds of .50 ammunition. other than those features, what benefits would there be to the L-5? Improved features because the L variant made its debut later in the war.
Asgar Posted August 26, 2022 Posted August 26, 2022 Don’t respond Asgar… if you do it’s gonna be mean… don’t do it? 3
BOO Posted August 26, 2022 Posted August 26, 2022 I dont a later Ju52. I can barely get there on time as it is 1
CountZero Posted August 26, 2022 Posted August 26, 2022 3 hours ago, Jackfraser24 said: Improved features because the L variant made its debut later in the war. What exact improvments that J-25 dont have, and were used in bobp area we have ? Ju 52/3 with floats makess better use of code bit space on disk then making L 38. 1
BOO Posted August 26, 2022 Posted August 26, 2022 Just now, CountZero said: What exact improvments that J-25 dont have, and were used in bobp area we have ? Ju 52/3 with floats makess better use of code bit space on disk then making L 38. floats over everything every time
Lusekofte Posted August 26, 2022 Posted August 26, 2022 On 1/23/2022 at 1:30 AM, BlitzPig_EL said: No_Face, you go right on playing the sim your way, and don't let any snobbish hard core player ever dictate your fun. Ever. Snobish??????????? I guess you did not comprehend my point. But that word I never been called before, nor hardcore. You totally missed the point. Or took a cheap shot
BlitzPig_EL Posted August 26, 2022 Posted August 26, 2022 (edited) Was not taking a cheap shot sir. I just think that the "full difficulty or nothing" crowd turn off a lot of prospective new players. Back in old IL2 I preferred what we at the time called "full real", and mostly that's how I played the sim. What irks me is that so many hard core players think that their play style is the only correct way to play the sim, which is patently nonsense. Play it the way you like it, and have fun. That's all I'm trying to say. If it isn't fun, why bother at all? Edited August 26, 2022 by BlitzPig_EL
Jackfraser24 Posted August 28, 2022 Posted August 28, 2022 Why the Ju-352 should be passed for consideration. Would be useful in late war scenarios like Bodenplatte or a a late war Eastern Front battle (especially if that's where this series is going next). Despite only 50 or so were built, it proved to be a worthy successor to the Ju-52. It was faster (370 km/h at 6,000 meters), had a longer range (2,995 km fully loaded), and had a higher load capacity. It required 60% less runway. The Ju-352 has not been covered by flight simulators before. Be worth a shot? 1CGS would do a brilliant job at it. After the war, one of the surviving two Ju-352's were sent to Britain to be evaluated. There should be enough data to make a Ju-352 (the other was sent to be Stalin's personal transport plane in the USSR).
DD_Arthur Posted August 28, 2022 Posted August 28, 2022 Personally, I'd really like to see the very, very, very late version of the ju52 in game. The one with the eight engines, swept back wings and the thermonuclear weapon capability.... 1 3
Jackfraser24 Posted September 3, 2022 Posted September 3, 2022 Collector Planes that should be passed for consideration by front. Eastern Front (1941-43) Soviets A-20 C A-20 G-1 DB-3b DB-3m DB-3t I-16 series 5 I-16 series 6 I-16 series 18 IL-4 LaGG-3 series 4 LaGG-3 series 35 LaGG-3 series 66 MiG-3 series 15 MiG-3 series 34 P-39 M-1 P-39 N-1 P-39 N-5 P-400 P-40 B P-40 C P-40 K-15 P-40 M-10 P-40 N Pe-2 series 206 Pe-3 Pe-3bis R-5 R-10 SB-2m Su-2 Yak-1 series 1 Yak-1 series 36 Yak-1 series 49 Yak-1 series 60 Yak-1 series 96 Yak-1b series 136 Yak-1m Yak-7a Yak-9d Axis Bf-109 E-3 Bf-109 E-4 Bf-110 C-4 Bf-110 C-7 Bf-110 D-3 B-534-IV Do-17 Z-2 Do-217 K-1 Do-217 K-2 Fi-156 Fw-189 A-1/2 Fw-190 A-4 Fw-200 C-3 G.50bis He-111 H-2 He-111 H-11 Hs-123 Hs-129 B-1 Ju-87 B-2 Ju-87 D-5 Ju-88 A-6 anti shipping Ju-88 A-8 Ju-88 A-14 Ju-88 A-17 torpedo bomber Ju-88 P-1 Mc.200 Serie III Mc.200 Serie VII Mc.202 Serie III Mc.202 Serie VII MC.202 Serie XII Me-210 Ca-1 Western Front (1943-45) Allies A-20G A-20G-25 A-20G-30 A-20G-35 A-20G-40 A-20G-45 A-20J A-20J-15 A-20J-20 A-26B A-26B-20 A-26B-60 A-26C A-26C-20 Albacore Mk.I B-25C B-25G B-25H B-26C B-26G Barracuda TB Mk.I Barracuda TB Mk.II Barracuda TB Mk.III Barracuda TB Mk.IV Beaufighter Mk.VIc Beaufighter Mk.X Hurricane Mk.IV Meteor Mk.I Meteor Mk.III Mosquito Mk.I Mosquito Mk.II Mosquito Mk.III Mosquito Mk.IV Mosquito Mk.IX Mosquito Mk.XIII Mosquito Mk.XV Mosquito Mk.XVIII Mosquito Mk.XIX P-38 G P-38 G-13 P-38 G-15 P-38 H P-38 H-1 P-38 H-5 P-38 J-5 P-38 J-10 P-38 J-20 P-38 L-1 P-38 L-5 P-39 M-3 P-39 N-5 P-39 Q-1 P-39 Q-5 P-39 Q-10 P-47 C-2 P-47 C-3 P-47 C-5 P-47 D-1 P-47 D-2 P-47 D-4 P-47 D-5 P-47 D-6 P-47 D-10 P-47 D-11 P-47 D-15 P-47 D-16 P-47 D-20 P-47 D-21 P-47 D-23 P-47 D-25 P-47 D-26 P-47 D-27 P-47 D-30 P-47 M-1 P-51 B-1 P-51 B-7 P-51 B-10 P-51 B-15 P-51 D-5 P-51 D-10 P-51 D-20 P-51 D-30 P-51 K-1 P-51 K-5 Spitfire Mk.Vc Spitfire Mk.VIII Spitfire Mk.IXa Spitfire Mk.IXb Spitfire Mk.IXc Spitfire Mk.XVI Swordfish Mk.II Swordfish Mk.III Typhoon Mk.Ia Wellington Mk.X Wellington Mk.XIII Wellington Mk.XVI Axis Bf-109 G-6AS Bf-109 G-8 Bf-109 G-10AS Bf-109 G-14AS Bf-110 G-4 Do-335 A-0 He-111 H-20 He-111 H-21 He-111 H-22 He-177 A-3 He-177 A-5 Ju-88 S-1 Ju-188 A-1 Ju-188 A-2 Ju-188 E-2 Ju-388 J Me-162 B-1 Me-163 B-1a Me-410 A-2 Me-410 A-3 Me-410 B-1 Me-410 B-2 Me-410 B-6 I know that is a really big list. I’m not saying that they have to do them all. I’m just putting it out there that there are a lot of options for the Eastern and Western front maps that we have already. I will admit, that doing all of them would take a lot of time, money and resources, so I wouldn’t be too demanding about them doing everything on this list. 1
BMA_FlyingShark Posted September 3, 2022 Posted September 3, 2022 Glad to see I'm not the only one who would like to see some earlier, ie "C" models, of the P47, Have a nice day. 1 1
Jackfraser24 Posted September 10, 2022 Posted September 10, 2022 Why the P-47C should be passed for consideration. Usefulness in IL-2 Could be used in Battle of Normandy or Bodenplatte pilot career missions. Would be good to have other P-47 variants represented other than the D-22 and D-28 because over 15,000 were built. Should be more D sub variants as well. P-47C Historical Importance Was the first P-47 variant to see active service. Was used as a bomber escort over Europe. Differences between the P-47C and P-47D P-47D had more extensive cockpit armor than the P-47C. P-47D had a more evolved supercharger exhaust system. It had an adjustable duct and redesigned vents for the engine accessory system. P-47C had a range of 1,030 km and a top range of 2,012 km. The P-47D had a range of 764 km and a top range of 2,736 km. P-47C could fly at 697 km/h at 30,000 feet. P-47D could fly at 689 km/h at 30,000 feet. P-47C weighed 4,491 kg empty, 5,670 kg full, and at 6,770 kg Maximum Take Off Weight (MTOW). P-47D weighed 4,536 kg empty, 6,577 kg full, and 8,800 kg at MTOW. Both had a service ceiling of 42,000 feet. 1
BraveSirRobin Posted September 10, 2022 Posted September 10, 2022 4 minutes ago, Jackfraser24 said: Why the P-47C should be passed for consideration. Usefulness in IL-2 Could be used in Battle of Normandy or Bodenplatte pilot career missions. Would be good to have other P-47 variants represented other than the D-22 and D-28 because over 15,000 were built. Should be more D sub variants as well. P-47C Historical Importance Was the first P-47 variant to see active service. Was used as a bomber escort over Europe. Differences between the P-47C and P-47D P-47D had more extensive cockpit armor than the P-47C. P-47D had a more evolved supercharger exhaust system. It had an adjustable duct and redesigned vents for the engine accessory system. P-47C had a range of 1,030 km and a top range of 2,012 km. The P-47D had a range of 764 km and a top range of 2,736 km. P-47C could fly at 697 km/h at 30,000 feet. P-47D could fly at 689 km/h at 30,000 feet. P-47C weighed 4,491 kg empty, 5,670 kg full, and at 6,770 kg Maximum Take Off Weight (MTOW). P-47D weighed 4,536 kg empty, 6,577 kg full, and 8,800 kg at MTOW. Both had a service ceiling of 42,000 feet. Is there any aircraft that saw combat in WW2 that you feel should not be included in this game?
AndyJWest Posted September 10, 2022 Posted September 10, 2022 39 minutes ago, BraveSirRobin said: Is there any aircraft that saw combat in WW2 that you feel should not be included in this game?
BraveSirRobin Posted September 10, 2022 Posted September 10, 2022 13 minutes ago, AndyJWest said: It got more kills than the 190 got over Stalingrad. It deserves consideration... 1
Jackfraser24 Posted September 10, 2022 Posted September 10, 2022 (edited) 7 hours ago, BraveSirRobin said: Is there any aircraft that saw combat in WW2 that you feel should not be included in this game? I understand what you’re saying. If I had omnipotent powers every combat plane, helicopter, air ship, tank and ship that ever existed would be in the game and be playable in a blink of an eye by now. All I am saying is that the P-47C was an important predecessor to the P-47D, and that it has every right to be included into career missions for Normandy and Bodenplatte, like the D-22 and D-28 has been. Edited September 10, 2022 by Jackfraser24 1
1CGS LukeFF Posted September 10, 2022 1CGS Posted September 10, 2022 7 hours ago, Jackfraser24 said: All I am saying is that the P-47C was an important predecessor to the P-47D, and that it has every right to be included into career missions for Normandy and Bodenplatte, like the D-22 and D-28 has been. Dude, I hate to keep doing this, but the P-47C was long gone by the time of Normandy and Rhineland.
DD_Arthur Posted September 10, 2022 Posted September 10, 2022 14 hours ago, BraveSirRobin said: It got more kills than the 190 got over Stalingrad. It deserves consideration... Didn’t one of these sink a pocket battleship too? @Jack; now we know you want…everything….in the game; you’ll promise us you won’t list them? Please.
CountZero Posted September 10, 2022 Posted September 10, 2022 19 minutes ago, DD_Arthur said: Didn’t one of these sink a pocket battleship too? @Jack; now we know you want…everything….in the game; you’ll promise us you won’t list them? Please. oh contraire , you miss that thred is renamed to Suggested Plane List #1 , so expect Suggested Plane List #2, Suggested Plane List #3 and so on... 3
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