WWII Aircraft Suggested Plane List

[Pikestance]

It is my understanding that four engine a/c is a question of time required to create it. This would mean time away from other priorities. 

[Jackfraser24]

I've said before about the Great Battles series needing more heavy aircraft (heavy fighters/medium bombers/ground attack) ab out aircraft like: 

• The Bf 110 C, D and F series
• The Me 210 (especially for hypothetical Hungarian Career Modes, missions and Campaigns)
• The Ju 87 B-2 and D-5
• More Ju 88 variants and sub variants (i.e A-1, A-5, A-13, A-14, A-15, A-17, G-1, G-6, G-7, and S-1, S-2 and S-3), the Ju 188 and Ju 388
• More He 111 variants and sub variants (i.e H-1 to 10 and P-1 to 6)
• The Vickers Wellington
• The Martin Baltimore

[kendo]

On 3/21/2022 at 1:00 AM, Jackfraser24 said:

More Ju 88 variants and sub variants (i.e A-1, A-5, A-13, A-14, A-15, A-17, G-1, G-6, G-7, and S-1, S-2 and S-3), the Ju 188 and Ju 388

 

What...all of them?  ?

[Traffic]

I'd vote for later P40 variants. The P40L Merlin and most produced P40N Allison would be awesome. The P40E was a 1941 variant, and considering we have 8 or 9 different 109s and 190s, I think a 1943 variant of the P40 would be awesome. Afterall, they were front line fighters that were constantly improved until production ceased in 1944. 

 

 

[Pikestance]

On 3/21/2022 at 2:00 AM, Jackfraser24 said:

I've said before about the Great Battles series needing more heavy aircraft (heavy fighters/medium bombers/ground attack) ab out aircraft like: 

• More Ju 88 variants and sub variants (i.e A-1, A-5, A-13, A-14, A-15, A-17, G-1, G-6, G-7, and S-1, S-2 and S-3), the Ju 188 and Ju 388

 

4 hours ago, kendo said:

 

What...all of them?  ?

 

Well, you know what they say,... if you gonna dream, dream big! 

[JBullard]

I would like to see a "c" wing option for the existing Spitfires. Most of the actual Spitfire Mk IXs were equipped with the "c" wing. Also, the "b" wing just doesn't carry a lot of cannon ammo. 

[Jackfraser24]

Soviet bombers like the IL-4 and Pe 3 are a must.
 

The IL-4 was the backbone of the Soviet bomber wing. Also, the Soviet in-game aircraft inventory could do with a medium bomber.

The Pe 3 should also be included since it would in a way complement the Pe 2, it was used during the Battle of Moscow and Stalingrad, and that the Soviet inventory could do with a long range heavy fighter (for longish range missions).

Another Soviet bomber worth mentioning is the Tupolev TB-3 should be considered. They were used in battles like Stalingrad, Moscow, Kursk and Leningrad. If the TB-3 is added, this would make it the first WW2 heavy bomber in the game, as well as the first four engined bomber. 
 

A last Soviet bomber worth mentioning is the Tupolev SB (or ANT-40). It was produced from 1936-1941, with 6,656 built. Even though it was outdated when the Germans invaded, it still made up 94% of the operational Soviet bomber force. The Tupolev SB would be useful in the Battle of Moscow missions (as they were used in defending the city), pilot career, and a possible campaign.

 

 

 

 

Edited April 17, 2022 by Jackfraser24

[FliegerAD]

On 4/17/2022 at 3:16 PM, Jackfraser24 said:

The Pe 3 should also be included since it would in a way complement the Pe 2, it was used during the Battle of Moscow and Stalingrad, and that the Soviet inventory could do with a long range heavy fighter (for longish range missions).

 

 

I would love to see the Pe-3 as an opponent for the Bf 110. It may not be a fair match, but then... we need more heavy fighters anyway. It is just a different kind of flying.

[Alexmarine]

I would personally really like a Tupolev SB bomber as a collector's plane 

 

[Jackfraser24]

I think there needs to be more He 111 variants like the 

• He 111 H1  
• He 111 H2 
• He 111 H3 
• He 111 H4 
• He 111 H5 
• He 111 H7 
• He 111 H8 
• He 111 H9 
• He 111 H10 
• He 111 H11 
• He 111 H12 
• He 111 H14 
• He 111 H15 
• He 111 H18 
• He 111 H20 
• He 111 H21
• He 111 H22 
• He 111 H23 

[Jackfraser24]

1 hour ago, Jackfraser24 said:

I think there needs to be more He 111 variants like the 

• He 111 H1  
• He 111 H2 
• He 111 H3 
• He 111 H4 
• He 111 H5 
• He 111 H7 
• He 111 H8 
• He 111 H9 
• He 111 H10 
• He 111 H11 
• He 111 H12 
• He 111 H14 
• He 111 H15 
• He 111 H18 
• He 111 H20 
• He 111 H21
• He 111 H22 
• He 111 H23 

Not all of them of course!!!

[Jackfraser24]

I would really like to see some more Italian collectable planes used on the Eastern Front in the game like the 

• Fiat C.R 42 (bis)
• Fiat G.50 (bis, bis A/N, ter)
• Macchi 200 (series 1, 3, 7 and 7FB)
• Macchi 202 (series 3, 7 and 12 - already have the series 8)
• Macchi 205 (series 1 and 3)

I should state that the Macchi 205 was used on the Eastern Front by Croats.
 

 

[CountZero]

On 4/27/2022 at 5:32 PM, Jackfraser24 said:

I think there needs to be more He 111 variants like the 

• He 111 H1  
• He 111 H2 
• He 111 H3 
• He 111 H4 
• He 111 H5 
• He 111 H7 
• He 111 H8 
• He 111 H9 
• He 111 H10 
• He 111 H11 
• He 111 H12 
• He 111 H14 
• He 111 H15 
• He 111 H18 
• He 111 H20 
• He 111 H21
• He 111 H22 
• He 111 H23 

anyone can google wiki and fined airplane types not in game already, 1000s of them but why H4 or H8 or H20 and so on.. if we already have H6 and H16, what new they bring ? on what maps they fit where H6 and H16 cant do what other types did and so on, just posting airplane types or sub-types means nothing, like i say there is 1000s of them not in game and will not be added in game because they bring no new, cant fit maps in game, data cant be found in detail needed, or would simply not sell. Airplanes like 109 even with minimal differance will sell for 20$ as collectable, (i bet there would be ppl who would buy 109E4 even though 109E7 we have is same airplane, thats how hungry ppl are for more 109s), while brand new type of 111 bomber even with big differances will have harder time to go for 25$ or even justifie it being made outside of DLC where he can fill in easy to make bomber slot insted harder work of making brand new bomber type not in game already.

Edited May 1, 2022 by CountZero

[Guest deleted@219798]

Yak 3 and La 7 and more variety of Soviet bombers. An early version of the Yak 1 to use in BoM.

Edited May 9, 2022 by kestrel444x500

[Jackfraser24]

There definitely needs to be a Curtiss Tomahawk included into the game, especially for Moscow.

[BMA_FlyingShark]

2 hours ago, Jackfraser24 said:

There definitely needs to be a Curtiss Tomahawk included into the game, especially for Moscow.

I've been hoping since day 1 we get an early P-40.

 

Have a nice day.

 

[LW_Pilot777]

Hello 

 

I found work of Mr. Mark06GT from blenderartists.org It made amazing 3d model of A-20G maybe it`ll be nice start for new Havoc for IL-2 Collector Planes

 

[352ndOscar]

Instead of bunch of aircraft variants ad nauseum…… how about we get a plane that is missing that we actually really need……. The Salmson 2 A2.  With FC being an April 1918 period piece, this aircraft definitely needs to be there for both French and, with the expanded FC2/3 map (St Mihiel/Argonne) USAS usage.  It’s a cornerstone aircraft for infantry contact, reconnaissance and observation, and artillery adjustment squadrons/missions.  We needed it for ROF but never got it.  It sure would be nice to get this aircraft into service in FC.
 

 

[JG27*PapaFly]

On 3/13/2022 at 10:44 PM, Jackfraser24 said:

A 26

THIS!

And the FW 190 D-13. Big gun, big fun ?

[Jackfraser24]

The Glostor Meteor Mk III would be nice. It could reach a top speed of 748 km/h (465 m/h). It would be the only allied plane that could catch the Arado 234 at its top speed, 742 km/h (461 m/h).
 

A Dornier 335 would be cool as well. Fastest non-modified piston powered aircraft ever built. It was claimed to have reached 846 km/h (525 m/h) but it could go up to at least 750+ km/h (466+ m/h).
 

The Focke-Wulf Ta 152 would also be quite popular. It can out run a P 51 Mustang. It could reach a top speed of 760 km/h (472 m/h). Kurt Tank, the designer of the Fw 190 and Ta 152 in early 1945 flew the plane himself and was pursued by American P 51s. But all  he had to do was push the throttle to full speed, and he escaped.
 

The Spitfire Mk XVI (16) would be a valuable collector plane for Battle of Bodenplatte as a low altitude fighter ground attack aircraft. It had a Rolls Royce Merlin 266, an American licenced built version of the British Merlin 66, and could fly at nearly 670 km/h (or 415 m/h). Over 1,000 were built.

Edited May 27, 2022 by Jackfraser24

[Roland_HUNter]

Spit XIV Bubble....
109 G6/AS, when?!

[MasterBaiter]

On 5/27/2022 at 3:22 PM, dogefighter said:

2 prototypes built?

 

Guys pls. Lets leave the super rare german unicorns like D-13s, D-11s, Do-335s, Ta 152s, He 162s etc to IL-2 1946. Lets instead flesh out the current german planeset with types that actually saw significant service like for example: de-rated 109F-4, de-rated A-3 & A-8, G6/AS, A9 and the earlier more common 1750hp and 1900hp versions of the D-9. (the D9 we have in the game is the rarer, more powerful version with MW50)

G-10 please ?

[JV69badatflyski]

On 5/27/2022 at 3:22 PM, dogefighter said:

2 prototypes built?

 

Guys pls. Lets leave the super rare german unicorns like D-13s, D-11s, Do-335s, Ta 152s, He 162s etc to IL-2 1946. Lets instead flesh out the current german planeset with types that actually saw significant service like for example: de-rated 109F-4, de-rated A-3 & A-8, G6/AS, A9 and the earlier more common 1750hp and 1900hp versions of the D-9. (the D9 we have in the game is the rarer, more powerful version with MW50)

As i agree on the D-11/13/Do-335 part, still don't get your stuff about the ta-152 that has been built in the same numbers as the meteor, the he-162 that has an operational records history and it's production numbers are even higher than the spit mk-14 and the operationnal numbers are equivalent. Does that mean the mk-14 shouldn't be neither included? should the Mk-14 be considered as an unicorn mounted by a care-bear? 

As for the de-rated part, to confirm your sayings, do you have production numbers? airframes and engines history? Okl and manufacturer(s) notifications? Or do you base your assumptions on the web legends? I'd like to know, cause i really do like reading about "derated" focke wulfs...it always makes my day 
Ps: all fockewulfs were derated for the first 10hours(reduced to 8 somewhere end43, you know, when the D2 received few parts from the F) , it's called engine break-in and still happens on modern engines, strange....

[CountZero]

problem for 162 is not numbers but bases, game aint gona have map with bases it operated from, so it will never be added.

 

[Jackfraser24]

I guess the only German aircraft worth putting in are the

 

Fighters

• Bf 109 E-4 
• Bf 109 G-6AS
• Bf 109 G-8
• Bf 109 G-10 
• Bf 109 G-10AS 
• Bf 109 G-14AS 
• Bf 110 C-4
• Bf 110 C-4/B 
• Bf 110 C-7 
• Bf 110 D-1
• Bf 110 D-2
• Bf 110 D-3 
• Bf 110 E-1 
• Bf 110 F-1 
• Bf 110 F-2 
• Bf 110 F-4 
• Bf 110 G-4 
• Do 217 J-1 
• Do 217 J-2 
• Do 217 N-1 
• Do 217 N-2
• Fw 190 A-1
• Fw 190 A-2 
• Fw 190 A-4 
• Fw 190 A-9 
• He 162 A-1 
• He 162 A-2 
• He 219 A-0 
• He 219 A-2 
• Ju 88 G-1 
• Ju 88 G-6
• Ju 88 G-7
• Ju 388 J-
• Me 163 B-1
• Me 210 A-1 
• Me 210 A-2 
• Me 210 Ca-1
• Ta 152 H-1

Bombers

• Do 17 Z-2 
• Do 217 E-1 
• Do 217 E-2 
• Do 217 E-3 
• Do 217 E-4 
• Do 217 E-5 
• Do 217 K-1
• Do 217 K-2
• Do 217 K-3
• Do 217 M-1
• He 111 H-2
• He 111 H-10
• He 111 H-11
• He 111 H-18
• He 111 H-20
• He 111 H-22
• Ju 87 B-2
• Ju 88 D-5
• Ju 88 A-5
• Ju 88 A-13
• Ju 88 A-14
• Ju 88 A-15
• Ju 88 A-17 Torpedo Bomber
• Ju 88 S-1
• Ju 88 S-2
• Ju 88 S-3
• Ju 188 A-1
• Ju 188 A-2
• Ju 188 A-3
• Ju 188 E-1
• Ju 188 E-2
• Ju 388 K

Look, they don’t need to do all these aircraft. I’m just saying that there are still plenty of German aircraft left to choose from, even though if it’s just different variants, sub variants and sub variant subtypes remaining.

Edited June 3, 2022 by Jackfraser24

[BraveSirRobin]

This thread really could have been condensed into 1 post:

 

"I want them all."

[Cybermat47]

18 minutes ago, BraveSirRobin said:

This thread really could have been condensed into 1 post:

 

"I want them all."

 

[DD_Arthur]

7 hours ago, Jackfraser24 said:

I’m just saying that there are still plenty of German aircraft left to choose from, even though if it’s just different variants, sub variants and sub variant subtypes remaining.

 

Actually Jack, I think you’re post shows just how little of the LW there is left to do in practical terms.

 

With few exceptions, we have examples of all the major variants of types used in the theatres modelled so far in BoX.

 

Of what is missing; take the Do 17/217 series as an example.

It was an important aircraft in the LW inventory in the early to mid war years but to model it to the standards required for BoX the team would have to cross some major hurdles.

Namely, there are simply no intact airframes surviving. Off the top of my head I think four of these aircraft have been recovered after spending some seventy years on the seabed, none are complete...

 

Did you know Jack that not too long ago the producer of this series went on a ten thousand mile round trip to photograph and measure the interior of the cockpit of a major, well known, we’ll documented, allied fighter held in the collection of a major national museum?

He was only able to do this after months of negotiations with this museum too.

 

It’s very easy to write we could/should have type x,y and z but actually being in a position deliver these things for a commercial product is something else entirely.

 

 

[Jackfraser24]

1 hour ago, DD_Arthur said:

 

Actually Jack, I think you’re post shows just how little of the LW there is left to do in practical terms.

 

With few exceptions, we have examples of all the major variants of types used in the theatres modelled so far in BoX.

 

Of what is missing; take the Do 17/217 series as an example.

It was an important aircraft in the LW inventory in the early to mid war years but to model it to the standards required for BoX the team would have to cross some major hurdles.

Namely, there are simply no intact airframes surviving. Off the top of my head I think four of these aircraft have been recovered after spending some seventy years on the seabed, none are complete...

 

Did you know Jack that not too long ago the producer of this series went on a ten thousand mile round trip to photograph and measure the interior of the cockpit of a major, well known, we’ll documented, allied fighter held in the collection of a major national museum?

He was only able to do this after months of negotiations with this museum too.

 

It’s very easy to write we could/should have type x,y and z but actually being in a position deliver these things for a commercial product is something else entirely.

 

 

I understand

[Jackfraser24]

Sorry to keep going on about the Bf 110, but I think it would be great if they make more variants like the 

• Bf 110 C series
• Bf 110 D series
• Bf 110 F series.

I know they can’t say “let’s do a, b and c” and simply just do that. It takes a lot of time, money and resources to make. Still, fingers crossed…

 

Edited June 8, 2022 by Jackfraser24

[BraveSirRobin]

There is very little chance of more early war east front modules.  They already did 3 modules and had to follow that with a bunch of uber west front aircraft to save the franchise.

 

2 hours ago, Jackfraser24 said:

I still think the Bf 110 would be nice for the Eastern Front like the 

• Bf 110 C4 or 7
• Bf 110 D series

 

[Jackfraser24]

Bell P-63 King Cobra

[Jackfraser24]

The Fw-190 A-4 as a collector plane would be useful to have in Stalingrad and Kuban.

[LukeFF]

25 minutes ago, Jackfraser24 said:

The Fw-190 A-4 as a collector plane would be useful to have in Stalingrad and Kuban.

 

Precisely 0 Fw 190s were at Stalingrad; the A-3 is only there to let the players who bought it as part of the Stalingrad package have a place to fly it in career mode.

[IVJG4-Knight]

On 6/2/2022 at 1:39 AM, dogefighter said:

300 He 162s produced, of which 120 delivered. And out of those 120, only a handful actually flew due to lack of fuel and pilots. Compared to 1000 XIVs produced in total, flying operational sorties from Jan 44 till end of the war. Equating them is just dumb.

If you introduce a game with low fuel ,low apare parts anf 20 to one odds nobody would play it . So stop the pointles fanboy speech insults .

Some people like rare planes specifically because of their rarety .

 

 

[CountZero]

35 minutes ago, IVJG4-Knight said:

If you introduce a game with low fuel ,low apare parts anf 20 to one odds nobody would play it . So stop the pointles fanboy speech insults .

Some people like rare planes specifically because of their rarety .

 

 

Oh yes ppl like ar-234b2 with 2x20mm gunpod because it was rare, same with Tempest 11lbs ... Nothing to do with performance boost compared to other airplanes... or game play gains... thats why MC.202 is so liked as rare airplane when its in same planset with 109E7...

 

People wont certen rare airplanes in game because they have papar performance without real world problems... no one is asking for some poor performance rare airplane, and devs would not make it as it would not sell, hence we get another Spitfire XIV insted some more important airplane for BoN or Bobp used by more squads and could be longer in campaigns.

And thats why jet bomber airplane get gunpods that he used 1-2 times maybe, its not because its some rare kink, its because its usefule gamey thing.

 

 

[Enceladus828]

8 hours ago, LukeFF said:

Precisely 0 Fw 190s were at Stalingrad

Yeah that was an unwise decision by the devs back then as they could have instead made the IAR 80. But adding the MC. 202 for BOM was far worse as the 202 was never at Moscow and only did 17 sorties at Stalingrad before being withdrawn. If the devs wanted to add an Italian bird they should have made the C.200 which saw far more action on the Eastern front. If 15 planes can be made per installment (not including modifications) then the 190 and C.202 would be nice additions, but since that’s not the case and only 10 planes can be built, adding these two was unwise.

 

My theory with the C.202 is that Albert, aka LOFT, had a tentative plan to go to the Mediterranean after BOM or BoK, but with Jason becoming the Executive Producer after BoM, that was changed. And for the better. With Jason, decisions like this are unlikely to happen again.

 

No offence here.

[Jackfraser24]

15 hours ago, LukeFF said:

 

Precisely 0 Fw 190s were at Stalingrad; the A-3 is only there to let the players who bought it as part of the Stalingrad package have a place to fly it in career mode.

I thought the Pilot Career was historically accurate through painstaking efforts to find historical references. Interesting…

[LukeFF]

1 hour ago, Jackfraser24 said:

I thought the Pilot Career was historically accurate through painstaking efforts to find historical references. Interesting…

 

It is - you'll only see Fw 190s if you fly for the one unit that has them on the map. Otherwise, they will never be seen.

[Jackfraser24]

5 hours ago, LukeFF said:

 

It is - you'll only see Fw 190s if you fly for the one unit that has them on the map. Otherwise, they will never be seen.

For Moscow, there should have been a Curtiss Tomahawk Mk.II instead of the P-40 E. I still hope it comes through eventually, and the Ju 87 B-2 as well.