WWII Aircraft Suggested Plane List

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[Jackfraser24]

Hi Everyone. I just want to suggest an aircraft as a potential fill in for a likely late war Eastern Front scenario. The Ju 52/3m g14e. I believe it is a good choice as one of the five German aircraft because

 

1) it is more contemporary with late war Scenarios like Bodenplatte and the last stages of the Eastern Front, therefore being more realistic for Career, AQMB, and potential scripted campaigns.

2) it would give players a variety of Ju 52 variants, much to the benefit of those who love flying transport aircraft and

3) they are running out of German aircraft.

 

[Fafnir_6]

Sign me up!  Is that the variant with a 13mm MG131 in the rear dorsal turret and another MG131 (or maybe an MG15) in the upper cockpit canopy?  It should also have the improved #2 engine cowling I think, right?

 

Cheers,

 

Fafnir_6

[No_Face]

It's clever, I wanted to see what this version brings and I came across boards presenting different versions, so now I want a JU 52 with skis and a seaplane version. ?

[Feathered_IV]

New Ju-52 versions wouldn’t suck.  However I’d really like to see some extra time and thought go into the way gameplay features are handled for transport ops and how the player’s successes get recorded.  All the more so as there is the C-47 coming out too.  There isn’t much incentive at the moment compared to fighters and attack aircraft.  If I fly online all I get for a successful mission is a record of time flown.  I could get that by just doing laps of the airfield. 

[Juri_JS]

First I would like to see more modifications for the Ju-52 we already have in the game, for example:

- more gunner positions

- skies

- floats

- more passenger types (army troops, civilians, agents)

- ambulance interior with stretchers

 

[Feathered_IV]

44 minutes ago, Juri_JS said:

- ambulance interior with stretchers

 

Would have really loved ambulance pods for the Po-2.  So much more gameplay potential there than the slow box of hand grenades we have now. 

Edited January 22, 2022 by Feathered_IV

[Lusekofte]

I really cannot appreciate flying JU 52 fully

Its throttle And brakesystem require a different hardware setup.

And as long as we do not have a control interface allowing setup for all planes separate. I feel it do not bring justice for this gem.

I really love flying it when I bother to rearrange my setup

[No_Face]

1 minute ago, LuseKofte said:

Its throttle And brakesystem require a different hardware setup.

Hum?

It automatically brakes when the throttle is below 20% (from memory).
How does this require a different configuration? You just need to have a throttle, which is probably what everyone here is doing, right?

And even if you only play with the keyboard/mouse, you have a button to reduce the throttle (and therefore brake).

I must admit I don't follow you.

[GrinderX9]

29 minutes ago, No_Face said:

Hum?

It automatically brakes when the throttle is below 20% (from memory).
How does this require a different configuration? You just need to have a throttle, which is probably what everyone here is doing, right?

And even if you only play with the keyboard/mouse, you have a button to reduce the throttle (and therefore brake).

I must admit I don't follow you.

 

I have been away from the game for a long time. But with new PC I can finnaly fly IL2 in vr without problems. And yeah.. the JU52, I cant get it to work lol. 3 engines. My two power controls are set to left and right engines. and using the keyboard to select engine 1-3 dont do anything. I will eventually dive back into the ju 52, because i love it. But other things to fly and test first.

[Lusekofte]

2 hours ago, No_Face said:

Hum?

It automatically brakes when the throttle is below 20% (from memory).
How does this require a different configuration? You just need to have a throttle, which is probably what everyone here is doing, right?

And even if you only play with the keyboard/mouse, you have a button to reduce the throttle (and therefore brake).

I must admit I don't follow you.

When there is 3 throttles. I want to use 3 throttles. But that means I have to change my radiator settings and delete my throttles settings in order to go from 2 engine to 3 engine.

I want to operate it as it was operated.

How hard is that to comprehend.

I spent a lot of money getting things my way. But GB as the only sim won't allow separate settings for each plane.

But I can fly it in Ms 2020

[Blitzen]

15 hours ago, No_Face said:

It's clever, I wanted to see what this version brings and I came across boards presenting different versions, so now I want a JU 52 with skis and a seaplane version. ?

DITTO!

[Monty_Thrud]

More is betterer...

 

 

[BlitzPig_EL]

Four is enough for me.

[Chief_Mouser]

9 hours ago, No_Face said:

Hum?

It automatically brakes when the throttle is below 20% (from memory).
How does this require a different configuration? You just need to have a throttle, which is probably what everyone here is doing, right?

And even if you only play with the keyboard/mouse, you have a button to reduce the throttle (and therefore brake).

I must admit I don't follow you.

 

If you are playing with a single throttle lever then you are missing so much.

The Ju52 has three throttle levers. ANY multiple-engined aircraft benefits from a multiple throttle setup, but the Ju52 engines are not numbered logically.

Carry on flying it like a fighter if you wish, but you're wasting your time.

 

 

[No_Face]

I had indeed not thought about the multiple gas levers and the problems that could be linked to it.
I preferred not to answer because I had the feeling that someone needed to hug a big teddy bear to calm those nerves. (I don't speak English, so I may have misinterpreted the answer) ?

 

However, what do I lose by playing with only one throttle? ?

[Lusekofte]

1 hour ago, No_Face said:

However, what do I lose by playing with only one throttle? ?

In special a huge part when it comes to JU 52.

It got radiators cowlflap and throttles.

It is a massive undertaking getting everything right for it, just to take the same job reversing it when flying something else.

One can use what one like, but settings for controls are a mess in this game, It really need some rework

[Avimimus]

I would like the floatplane version... although to be honest - an Ar-196 would probably be slightly more fun - and if I was going to up the firepower of an aircraft with a second dorsal turret I'd go for the Ju-188 (13mm + 20mm in two dorsal turrets)!

[No_Face]

27 minutes ago, LuseKofte said:

In special a huge part when it comes to JU 52.

It got radiators cowlflap and throttles.

Ok but playing with just a throttle (and the keyboard) does not change this management.

The 3 engines behave the same (as long as they are not damaged), right?

 

I know very well that I'm not a good pilot in this game (or in any other game for that matter ?), I accept the fact that it's possible that I'm not using the plane to its full capacity but the Ju-52 being a transport plane, it's quite stable (stable in the sense that you're not going to make big maneuvers, So I keep an eye on my gauges and as I'm a cautious person I always prefer to be slightly below the recommendations than right at the limit to avoid damaging the engines but I don't have the impression that each engine has to be managed independently of the others.

That's why I don't understand 216th_Cat's remark.

 

Did I miss something? Having 3 throttles would allow me to better operate the aircraft?

27 minutes ago, LuseKofte said:

It is a massive undertaking getting everything right for it, just to take the same job reversing it when flying something else.

I admit that I did not understand the second part of this sentence.

 

27 minutes ago, LuseKofte said:

One can use what one like, but settings for controls are a mess in this game, It really need some rework

Following the various previous answers, I understand better.

[BlitzPig_EL]

No_Face, you go right on playing the sim your way, and don't let any snobbish hard core player ever dictate your fun.

 

Ever.

[Ghost666]

2 hours ago, LuseKofte said:

It is a massive undertaking getting everything right for it, just to take the same job reversing it when flying something else.

The next time u setup the controls for the JU52 just copy the input and put the copy somewhere safe. Then each time you want to fly the JU52 just swap out input files.

[BladeMeister]

2 minutes ago, Ghost666 said:

The next time u setup the controls for the JU52 just copy the input and put the copy somewhere safe. Then each time you want to fly the JU52 just swap out input files.

Just use JSGME, make a folder JU52 and put your input in there with the proper folder structure, do the same for any other planes you want and it is an easy swap from one to another.

 

S!Blade<><

Edited January 23, 2022 by BladeMeister

[TRRA15]

8 hours ago, BlitzPig_EL said:

Four is enough for me.

I like that plane. I would fly that flying boat in 1946 as a bomber at altitude. Drop and escape at high power on a very shallow descent. Quite fast for what is was and the speed helped me get back to friendlier territory, and any would-be chaser coming from behind or below/behind after a long chase faced an effective set of tail armament.

[Lusekofte]

12 hours ago, Ghost666 said:

The next time u setup the controls for the JU52 just copy the input and put the copy somewhere safe. Then each time you want to fly the JU52 just swap out input files.

That is great suggestion.

When changed the settings. Can you copy it while still in game?

[Ghost666]

10 hours ago, LuseKofte said:

Can you copy it while still in game?

Yes, you can copy the file while you are in game. But you cannot paste the file into the game while still in the game.

[Jackfraser24]

Now I know the IL-2 Great Battles creator cannot do everything on this list, and some of these would not be worth their time, money or energy (like bombers or very rare aircraft types) but I just want to ask about if any of these following planes have any place on the Great Battles plane list.

 

Or American fighter variants like the:

• P 38 (E, F, G, H, J (more sub variants), L,
• P 39 (C, D, F, K, L (more sub variants), M, N or Q)
• P 400
• P 40 (B, C, F, K, M, N, Tomahawk or Kittyhawk)
• P 47 (D (more sub variants); C, G, M & N)
• P 51 (more B, C or D sub variants, K, H

Or American Bombers like the:

• A 20 (B (more sub variants), C, G, H, or J)
• A 26 (B, C,
• B 25 (B, C, D (more sub variants), G, H, or J)
• B 26 (B, C, F or G)

Or British Fighters like the:

• Hawker Hurricane Mk-I and IV
• Hawker Sea Hurricane
• Supermarine Spitfire Mk- Va or c, Mk- VIII, Mk- IXc or Mk- XVI
• Supermarine Seafire
• Bristol Beaufighter
• deHavilland Mosquito Mk IV

Or British bombers like the:

• Vickers Wellington
• Fairey Firefly
• Fairey Swordfish
• Fairey Barracuda
• Blenheim
• Beaufort

Or Soviet Fighters like the:

• I 16 (more variants)
• I 153
• MIG 3 (more variants)
• LaGG-3 (more variants (before and after the Series 29 (Series 4-66)))
• La 5 (more variants)
• Yak 9 (way more variants)

Or Soviet Bombers like the:

• Tu TB-3
• Tu SB-2
• Tu 2
• IL 4 (main soviet medium bomber)
• Su 2
• Pe 2 (more variants)
• Pe 3
• Pe 8

Or German Fighters like the:

• Bf 110 C or D
• He 162
• He 219
• Me 210
• Me 163
• Do 335
• Ta 152

Or German bombers like the:

• Hs 123
• He 111 (H (more sub variants before the H-6, before the H 16 and then subsequent sub variants) P (P-1 to P-6)
• He 115 or He 177
• Ju 86
• Ju 87 (B (B-1 or B-2) or D-5)
• More Ju 88 A sub variants (A-1 to A-17) G, S series)
• Ju 188 or Ju 388
• Or the Do 217 (E, K, M, J or N)

Or Italian fighters like the:

• Fiat C.R.42
• Fiat G.50
• Macchi M.C.200
• Macchi M.C.202 (other variants)

Or Italian bombers like the:

• Fiat B.R.20
• CANT Z.506
• CANT Z.1007
• SM.81
• SM.79
• SM.84

I know that is a lot of questions and that we can’t have everything but I'd like to hear what you think. Thank you

[Jade_Monkey]

Good list! I'm less keen on small sub-variants of what we already have, and more interested in new content.

[SidtheGit]

Nice list of some new aircraft for the maps we have but too many variants of current aircraft. Additions to your list:

 

Westland Whirlwind

Westland Lysander

Auster Mk1/V

Fiesler Storch

Stinson L5 Sentinel

German DFS 230 assault glider

Waco/Hadrian glider

Airspeed Horsa glider

Supermarine Walrus

Catalina Mk1

Dornier Do18/24 

Ju52/3 with floats

 

Last 4 assumes we can operate off water at some point in the future. Amphibians would be outstanding.

 

Fewer fighters I think.

 

[40plus]

More 109s..... No I'm not joking. I would love the G10 in a late Eastern front campaign as well as some of the early early variants from the Spanish civil war.

[Avimimus]

I like your list JackFraser, and your enthusiasm.

 

It is nice to see a diversity of nations represented. It is also nice to see that many (but not all) types were numerically important. People often miss that when asking for aircraft.

[CUJO_1970]

We need P-38F/G/H and P-47C so there are some contemporary fighters to go with the German fighters released for Normandy.

 

USAAF started with Spitfire V then P-38F/G/H and then P-47C, those can go against FW190A-5/6 and 109G6, G6 Late, that entire scenario from late '42 thru 1943/Early '44 Western Front.

 

Edited March 14, 2022 by CUJO_1970

[MarcoPegase44]

for bon map
 

Spitfire IXc

Do 217

blenheim
typhoon early

beaufighters

[Winkysmith]

I have to say, I would very much enjoy a Lysander. The career missions would be very interesting indeed.

[[CPT]Crunch]

Not a serious list until there's a Mustang I/A and A-36 on it.  Could hear the screaming now if a 1945 model equipped with M.3's was ever put in.  Than we Yankee air pirates could career from start to finish like the 190/109 fellas with at least one plane type.  That should be a long term game goal, each major combatant nation feasible have at least two airframe types completed for a full span war career, to include Italy.  Already close on many.

[Pikestance]

If going to list aircraft, you need to mention the French 

 

Dewoitine D520

Morane- Saulnier MS 406

Bloch MB 152

Curtis H75 A1-3

Breguet 653

Lioré & Olivier LéO 451

Amiot 143 

 

Not an expert, so I may have neglected some

 

 

 

[Jackfraser24]

1 hour ago, ACG_Pike said:

If going to list aircraft, you need to mention the French 

 

Dewoitine D520

Morane- Saulnier MS 406

Bloch MB 152

Curtis H75 A1-3

Breguet 653

Lioré & Olivier LéO 451

Amiot 143 

 

Not an expert, so I may have neglected some

 

 

 

Maybe the Arsenal VG 33 too

3 hours ago, [CPT]Crunch said:

Not a serious list until there's a Mustang I/A and A-36 on it.  Could hear the screaming now if a 1945 model equipped with M.3's was ever put in.  Than we Yankee air pirates could career from start to finish like the 190/109 fellas with at least one plane type.  That should be a long term game goal, each major combatant nation feasible have at least two airframe types completed for a full span war career, to include Italy.  Already close on many.

I guess that could be considered too

[Jackfraser24]

The Bf 110 variants C, D or Fs could be used as a filler for a late Eastern Front scenario due to most of the German aircraft options that were widely used has been taken.

 

 

 

 

[red-starbaltam65]

Hi,

what about 4-mot-bombers, like the US B-17 Flying Fortress or B-24 Liberator? Also the britsh Halifax or Lancaster?

Edited March 17, 2022 by red-starbaltam65

[Jackfraser24]

8 hours ago, red-starbaltam65 said:

Hi,

what about 4-mot-bombers, like the US B-17 Flying Fortress or B-24 Liberator? Also the britsh Halifax or Lancaster?

Not possible at this point in time. 

Just now, Jackfraser24 said:

Not possible at this point in time. 

Maybe sometime in the future

[red-starbaltam65]

9 hours ago, Jackfraser24 said:

Not possible at this point in time. 

Maybe sometime in the future

 

May I ask for the reason? It is a question of workload - or regarding some legal issues?