WWII Aircraft Suggested Plane List

[Enceladus828]

On 8/3/2024 at 3:38 PM, Jackfraser24 said:

Oh bother. But thanks for responding

 

In future, what do you think will be made at this point? 

Along with the Bf-110F and Pe-3, Early Yak-1 and LaGG-3, Hurricane Mk.1, Pe-2 1944, Ju-87D-5, and some WW1 variants. These are relatively simple conversions of existing aircraft in the game that new modellers can make.

 

As for aircraft that have more than a few changes and would take longer for new modellers to make, Mosquito Mk. IV and A-20G. 

[Jackfraser24]

9 hours ago, Enceladus828 said:

Along with the Bf-110F and Pe-3, Early Yak-1 and LaGG-3, Hurricane Mk.1, Pe-2 1944, Ju-87D-5, and some WW1 variants. These are relatively simple conversions of existing aircraft in the game that new modellers can make.

 

As for aircraft that have more than a few changes and would take longer for new modellers to make, Mosquito Mk. IV and A-20G. 

Being reasonable, here's what I think IL-2 Great Battles needs. There are no B-25s, B-26s or IL-4s on the list because they have ruled it out for now at least.

 

Allies

• A-20G (Kuban, Western Front)
• IL-2 Model 1944 (Odessa)
• P-39 Q-5 (Odessa)
• P-40 N-5 (Odessa)
• P-63 C-5 (Odessa)

Axis

• Bf-109 G-10 (Bodenplatte)
• Fw-190 A-9 (Bodenplatte)
• He-111 H-20 (Normandy, Bodenplatte)
• He-162A (Bodenplatte)
• Ju-188A/E (Normandy, Bodenplatte)

Agree or agree to disagree?

[Enceladus828]

9 hours ago, Jackfraser24 said:

Axis

• Bf-109 G-10 (Bodenplatte)
• Fw-190 A-9 (Bodenplatte)
• He-111 H-20 (Normandy, Bodenplatte)
• He-162A (Bodenplatte)
• Ju-188A/E (Normandy, Bodenplatte)

Agree or agree to disagree?

I disagree with the Axis list. Luftwaffe bombers had been exhausted by the BoN timeframe and even so wouldn’t really add anything new. We have plenty of Bf-109s and Fw-190s in the game and the He-162s didn’t see combat action until after the Bodenplatte timeframe. We have all the late war German planes we need. What we’re missing are ones that can be used from BoM to BoK.

[Jackfraser24]

17 minutes ago, Enceladus828 said:

I disagree with the Axis list. Luftwaffe bombers had been exhausted by the BoN timeframe and even so wouldn’t really add anything new. We have plenty of Bf-109s and Fw-190s in the game and the He-162s didn’t see combat action until after the Bodenplatte timeframe. We have all the late war German planes we need. What we’re missing are ones that can be used from BoM to BoK.

Alright. I'll revise it then.

 

Allies

• LaGG-3 33 Series (Stalingrad, Kuban)
• LaGG-3 66 Series (Kuban, Odessa)
• P-39N (Stalingrad, Kuban)
• P-40M (Stalingrad, Kuban, Karelia, Odessa)
• SB-2 (Moscow, Stalingrad)

 

Axis

• Bf-109 E-4 (Moscow, Stalingrad)
• Bf-110 C-7 (Odessa)
• Do-17 Z-2 (Odessa)
• Ju-87 B-2 (Odessa, Moscow, Stalingrad)
• Mc.200 Serie 7 (Moscow)

Agree or agree to disagree?

[=BLW=Pablo]

On 8/7/2024 at 4:57 AM, Jackfraser24 said:

Being reasonable, here's what I think IL-2 Great Battles needs. There are no B-25s, B-26s or IL-4s on the list because they have ruled it out for now at least.

 

Allies

• A-20G (Kuban, Western Front)
• IL-2 Model 1944 (Odessa)
• P-39 Q-5 (Odessa)
• P-40 N-5 (Odessa)
• P-63 C-5 (Odessa)

Axis

• Bf-109 G-10 (Bodenplatte)
• Fw-190 A-9 (Bodenplatte)
• He-111 H-20 (Normandy, Bodenplatte)
• He-162A (Bodenplatte)
• Ju-188A/E (Normandy, Bodenplatte)

Agree or agree to disagree?

 

 

On the Allied side I would add the P-40F with Merlin engine.
On the Axis side I would include the TA-152c, FW-190 D-11. FW190 D-13
Congratulations on the list!

[Jackfraser24]

7 minutes ago, =BLW=Pablo said:

 

 

On the Allied side I would add the P-40F with Merlin engine.
On the Axis side I would include the TA-152c, FW-190 D-11. FW190 D-13
Congratulations on the list!

Thanks for the compliment.

[=BLW=Pablo]

An interesting plane as a collector's plane.
It would be Adolf Galland's BF-109 F, which kept the 20mm on the wings.

 

Edited August 10, 2024 by LukeFF
NO SWASTIKAS

[Jackfraser24]

On 7/21/2024 at 10:37 PM, LukeFF said:

 

In the foreseeable future how many more collector planes should we be expecting to be made for Great Battles? 

[LukeFF]

9 hours ago, Jackfraser24 said:

In the foreseeable future how many more collector planes should we be expecting to be made for Great Battles? 

 

That is yet to be determined.

[Eonellivlem]

I've only just begun my IL2 GB virtual pilot career, no i haven't been living under a rock i was a console only player for many years. Bought the original IL 2 back in early 2000 and i can't believe i missed this great battle series for so long.

I've got a lot of content to explore and catch up on but i'm also excited for the upcoming maps Karelia and Odessa. However my question is.

Are there any aircraft coming with those maps? and will any future collector aircraft be tied to those maps? or are they going to be like the Velikiye Luki map, which is beautifully created but kind of redundant (only my opinion) as it's not included in career mode.

 

TLDR: I would love a early Stuka variant so i could play through Moscow-Stalingrad-Kuban career. I know i can use PWCG to play this way but i would prefer it to be "official" if that makes sense.

Edited August 11, 2024 by Eonellivlem

[Aapje]

They indicated that they probably would make planes for the map. I haven't seen anything about a career mode.

[=BLW=Pablo]

 

The D-13 has a more powerful engine, and this would make it a great rival for the P-51.

 

 

 

And the Gloster Meteor flew in WWII, although it didn't see combat.
But I think it would be very interesting to see it against the 262.

 

 

Edited August 25, 2024 by =BLW=Pablo

[FTC_ChilliBalls]

On 8/25/2024 at 11:03 PM, =BLW=Pablo said:

 

The D-13 has a more powerful engine, and this would make it a great rival for the P-51.

 

I'm not actually sure whether either the D12 or D13 ever actually flew a combat sortie, but it certainly would be a really cool plane to fly in game.

They could be a single plane as the only difference would have been the installed Motorkanone. 

As for performance, the D12 and D13 were actually slightly slower (about 5kph) than the D9 up to 4000 meters, but afterwards just simply didn't run out of steam.

 

Interestingly, the Jumo 213F they were using was basically a 213E without the intercooler due to the required space, and they were about to solve this issue with the 213EB which had a different intercooler design which did fit the D12 airframe, though none of these actually ever flew as far as I am aware.

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

As you may know, I am totally down for a D-13

 

 

Edited September 16, 2024 by II/JG17_HerrMurf

[Carlos_Cota_517]

I know I've been ranting about this on discord for a while by now, but I think this maybe a good idea after all, as IL-2 Great Battles allows for great degree of customization.
 

The Yak-9M was a late war version of the Yak-9, based on the Yak-9T's air-frame, that entered service around May 1944, it was implemented with numerous fixes and improvements based on experience with previous versions. One notable example of its versatility was that many Air Defense (PVO) units were equipped with specially modified Yak-9Ms intended for adverse whether & nighttime operations.

 

In-game there could be a new Yak-9M, either as a collector's aircraft or as part of the soon to come late war eastern front scenario, with several available modification to represent the customized models used by the PVO units.

 

The list of such modification could probably look like this:

• RPK-10 radio compass 
• AGP-2 attitude indicator
• PBP-1A gun sight 
• Rearview mirror...
• Searchlight 

• Klimov VK-105PF2 engine, with 970 kW (~1,300 hp) (This engine could increase top speed to just above 609 kph at 3800 ~ 4000 m of altitude, in exchange for a slightly reduced fuel load)

Standard grey paint scheme

 

AGP-2

 

I think that such aircraft would cover the niche left by the retirement of the MiG-3 from the front lines by early 1943, as currently there are no soviet-made fighters with the instrumentation needed to deal with nighttime-bomber-interceptions nor bad-whether-Shturmovik-escort missions. Such tasks would otherwise not be fulfilled until the adoption of the Lavochkin La-7, on summer 1944.

 

Spoiler

Yak 9M 21IAP White 27 slogan Nikolay Antonov Baltics 1944

 

 

Yak 9M 152GvIAP 12GIAD White 22 with Lt Vladimir M Kondratyev Ukrainian front 1944

 

 

Yak 9M 355IAP 181IAD White 22 slogan Kursk collective farmer Ukrainian front 1945

 

Yak 9M 157IAP 273IAD slogan to Berlin based in Belorussian Front 1944

 

 

Yak 9M 513IAP 331IAD White 32 slogan Happy Victory Ukrainian front 1944 

 

 

Yak 9M 777IAP 96SHAD Silver 14 with Maj FN Cheremukhin Far Eastern Front 1945

 

 

Yak 9M 513IAP 331IAD White 89 Ukrainian front 1944

 

 

Yak 9M 900IAP 240IAD HSU Pavel Golovachev Belorussian Front spring 1945

 

 

(Many user-made skins that we have for the Yak-9T are actually Yak-9M's)

 

Spoiler

The Yak-9M would be very similar to the Yak-9T but with a few key differences...
• Change the 37 mm cannon for the 20 mm one

• Replace ammo counter with the AGP-2 artificial horizon indicator

• Increase top true air speed by around +25 kph (when taking the modified engine)

Just these three tweaks to the Yak-9T we have would make a world of difference 

 

Thank you

[Carlos_Cota_517]

(I wasn't sure if I should talk about this on general discussion or here)

 

I think bringing the Yak-9M (and its modifications) would be very interesting, to say the least, as it was one of the few Non-Lend-Lease soviet fighter equipped to fly on Bad Whether. It also entered service at least one month before the La-7 or even the Yak-3.

 

I would reiterate that it would probably be somewhat simple to develop, as it would need around 3 tweaks to the Yak-9T's model for it to work:

• Change 37 mm cannon for a 20 mm one
• Change ammo counter for an AGP-2
• Change top true air speed to 609 kph (with the VK-105PF2 engine)

It could even use the same livery template

 

"Since the retirement of the Mikoyan & Gurevich MiG-3 from front-line service there have been no Homemade fighters to properly defend the night-skies of The Motherland; a batch of especially modified Yak-9Ms have just been delivered to several Air Defense Force units in the hopes to protect our borders from the threat of nighttime Ju-88 bomber raids" o7

 

Spoiler

 

 

All jokes aside, I would really love to see such nuance aircraft be implemented to Great Battles, even if only as a collector's aircraft

 

Thank you 😄

[=BLW=Pablo]

I suppose the most important thing about adding planes to the IL-2 is how much people are willing to pay for them.

I would pay twice the price of Bondenplate for a Spanish Civil War or a Battle of France.

Who wouldn't want to fly an early model 109?

Or even a Heinkel 112, which was very maneuverable.

The French and Finnish Hawk 75s saw a lot of combat, and I particularly like them.

Who in the simulation world wouldn't want to fly a P-40B from the Flying Tigers against Ki-27s, A6Ms and Ki-43s?

In real life the father of the P-47, which was called the P-43 Lancer, has only one confirmed kill. But I would love to fly it, and I would pay more to have a rare plane.

The Vultee P-66 was not adopted by the US Air Force, but China adopted and flew some of them.

Wouldn't you like to fly the plane that gave rise to the Corsair?

The North American P-64, which was a single-seat version of the famous Texan T-6 trainer that was used in combat in Peru, and was adopted by the Americans only as a trainer, but I would love to fly it.

We are too focused on more of the same, and we are missing out on other opportunities that the history of aerial combat has left us.

I'm not sure if the Americans gave any Grumman F2Fs or F3Fs to Spain. But they would make a great SCW collectible.

Edited October 9, 2024 by =BLW=Pablo

[Avimimus]

Nice post!

[Carlos_Cota_517]

On 10/10/2024 at 1:52 AM, Avimimus said:

Nice post!

 

Thank you

 

Spoiler

Honestly, I really want a fast Yak with an ADI for GB, and this one could fit really well in the Odessa map as a middle ground between the early Yaks we already have and the almost-superprop Yak-3 that is coming to the game

 

Edited November 20, 2024 by Carlos_Cota_517
Cool image

[LuftManu]

Interesting addition, specially for the Karelia map and Leningrad front @Carlos_Cota_517!

[Carlos_Cota_517]

Yak-9M was also the most produced variant of the war, with over four thousand units assembled, from May 1944 to June 1945...

 

[the_emperor]

29 minutes ago, Carlos_Cota_517 said:

Yak-9M was also the most produced variant of the war, with over four thousand units assembled, from May 1944 to June 1945...

 

But it also shows, that the weight of a more modern Airframe and equipment took its toll and that the Klimov engine was really struggling to keep the fighter competitive due to its low power output.

 

 

Edited November 29, 2024 by the_emperor

[Carlos_Cota_517]

2 hours ago, the_emperor said:

But it also shows, that the weight of a more modern Airframe and equipment took its toll and that the Klimov engine was really struggling to keep the fighter competitive due to its low power output.

 

Yes; part of the reason why I'm also insisting about the importance of it's modifications, and in particular the slightly more advanced ВК-105ПФ2 engine (and maybe the АГП-2 ADI too)...

 

It won't be as good as the Yak-3 or Yak-9U, but it might be an improvement over the Yak-9/T

 

Slower than the Yak-3, but faster than the Yak-9/T; longer range than the Yak-3, but shorter than the Yak-9/T. It's stand out feature would be it's role as a night fighter, but only with the modifications installed

 

 

Edited November 29, 2024 by Carlos_Cota_517

[Carlos_Cota_517]

Polish Yak-9M 🇵🇱

 

Page from Polish Wings 20, book published on February 2016, by Wojciech Zmyslony & Wojciech Sankowsk

[Jackfraser24]

I wish it would become a collector plane. 

[namhee2]

I would be interested to know if it would be possible to bring the Me 163 into the game. The aircraft doesn't seem to be that complicated.

[AndyJWest]

Would it be possible? Well clearly, yes, if the developers had the necessary funding and incentive to do so, I'm quite sure that they would be capable of doing it, and that the IL-2 GB engine could be made to handle it. It's different (tailless, rocket powered) but nothing that presumably couldn't be coded around, with enough resources.

 

Will it happen? I'd be rather surprised if it does, since they are now working on content for the revised game engine - Korea and after that the Pacific - and taking resources away from that to build a one-off design for the old engine would be an odd choice of priorities.

 

And as much as I'd like to see the Me 193 modelled again, it really doesn't offer a lot of gameplay options in an IL-2 GB context. It's limited operational use consisted exclusively of interceptions of large high-level heavy bomber formations, which IL-2 GB can't model effectively. 

[Jackfraser24]

7 minutes ago, AndyJWest said:

Would it be possible? Well clearly, yes, if the developers had the necessary funding and incentive to do so, I'm quite sure that they would be capable of doing it, and that the IL-2 GB engine could be made to handle it. It's different (tailless, rocket powered) but nothing that presumably couldn't be coded around, with enough resources.

 

Will it happen? I'd be rather surprised if it does, since they are now working on content for the revised game engine - Korea and after that the Pacific - and taking resources away from that to build a one-off design for the old engine would be an odd choice of priorities.

 

And as much as I'd like to see the Me 193 modelled again, it really doesn't offer a lot of gameplay options in an IL-2 GB context. It's limited operational use consisted exclusively of interceptions of large high-level heavy bomber formations, which IL-2 GB can't model effectively. 

You could use it in multiplayer. I can see the Me-163 could bring a few advantages to the table. 

• Scrambling
• Ground attack 
• Bomber interception 

[AndyJWest]

7 minutes ago, Jackfraser24 said:

You could use it in multiplayer. I can see the Me-163 could bring a few advantages to the table. 

• Scrambling
• Ground attack 
• Bomber interception 

 

Ground attack? in an Me 163? Can you please explain how exactly you think that would work, and what conceivable advantages it would have over say an Fw 190 in that scenario?

[Avimimus]

Admittedly, that is the kind of hilarious nonsense I'm into.

 

In a ground attack role it would have an even shorter combat radius (as it wouldn't be able to use altitude to store potential energy for the glide back). This means it'd probably have to be stationed something like 20 km from the enemy (assuming it wasn't a one way trip). It would fire off all 120 rounds of 30mm ammunition (60 rpg) in a single pass, and then try to climb.

 

The added issue is that it wasn't really safe to fly at anything under full throttle... so it'd be quite difficult to keep from overspeeding at low altitude I suspect.

[AndyJWest]

Yup. Unless the objective was to create a nice neat smoking hole, the Me 163s ground attack potential was rather limited.

 

Maybe I should fire up Il-2 46 some time, and try it.

[[CPT]Crunch]

50 minutes ago, AndyJWest said:

 

Ground attack? in an Me 163? Can you please explain how exactly you think that would work, and what conceivable advantages it would have over say an Fw 190 in that scenario?

Given it's full explosive potential coded in game with the Z and T Stoff mixed in the crash hole it could potentially take out an entire spawn parking ramp at once.

Instant game favorite.

[AndyJWest]

You'd have plenty of opportunity to enjoy the benefits of T-Stoff (flesh-dissolving high-strength hydrogen peroxide) even without a crash. The cockpit basically sits in a tank of it. There's armour at the front, where it's most needed for attacking bombers, but no side protection. Ground attack tends to attract fire from all directions. One unlucky rifle-calibre hit, and the pilot could be in a race to get back to base before his feet fell off. 

[AndyJWest]

"There's a fine like between clever and stupid..."

 

[LukeFF]

Does Al do horrible German accents in that video?

[AndyJWest]

1 hour ago, LukeFF said:

Does Al do horrible German accents in that video?

 

Only some of the time. Al Murray is actually fairly well-informed on WW2 history, despite the jokey tone of the video. The videos Murray has made together with James Holland are often well worth a look, sometimes giving insights that a more dry historical approach might miss. Watching them wander around Arnheim back garden passages for instance helped give a better sense of the close-quarters nature of the fighting than one might get otherwise. See in particular the episode 'The Bizarre Disappearance of a WWII General' (link) for how utterly messed up it got, as senior British officers found themselves trapped in an attic for hours, with a StuG parked outside.

 

Their home page: link

[LukeFF]

Gotcha. I listen to their podcast fairly regularly and it just gets repetitive hearing the horrible attempts at impersonations. 

 

But I'll stop now, as that's going off topic. 🙂

[AEthelraedUnraed]

On 6/10/2025 at 10:35 PM, AndyJWest said:

Ground attack? in an Me 163? Can you please explain how exactly you think that would work,

Like this, basically:

Any other type of ground attack is doomed to fail.

 

On 6/12/2025 at 10:25 PM, AndyJWest said:

Arnheim

Arnhem, unless you are zee German

 

[AndyJWest]

44 minutes ago, AEthelraedUnraed said:

Arnhem, unless you are zee German

 

 

Oops. Apologies to all. ☹️

[1/JSpan_Wind75]

To the developer team:   

 

"Please, could the "Buchón" aircraft be made into a collector's aircraft? All virtual pilots would buy it, and I believe Hispanic pilots would buy it too." It would be like having the entire collection of the English Hispano-Bf-109s, the Buchón.

I would be very grateful. There would also be a small map of the Battle of the Ebro (Catalonia) during the Spanish Civil War of '36, where the most veteran pilots of the Condor Division participated with the first Bf-109s against Russian and Italian aircraft.

 

Edited July 26 by 1/JSpan_Wind75