WWII Aircraft Suggested Plane List

[Jackfraser24]

1 hour ago, AEthelraedUnraed said:

That is a very simplistic (and not very accurate) view of economics. Developing products also costs money. And it occupies valuable artists and engineers that then cannot be put to work on the new project.

Good point. However most IL-2 players would purchase the G-10 and the A-9 simply because it is there to buy. The developers would get their money back rather quickly. 

[Jackfraser24]

2 hours ago, AEthelraedUnraed said:

Not more historical precision and accuracy than a flyable B-25 or an AI B-17 would add (in fact, I would argue less precision/accuracy).

Bombers do take a long time to make for developers compared to fighter planes, as we all know. The reason why I am arguing that the Bf-109 G-10 and the Fw-190 A-9 should be included to the plane list is because making these two aircraft would be quicker and easier to make than a developing a whole new aircraft that is not already in the game. 

2 hours ago, AEthelraedUnraed said:

I'd rather have some more unique aircraft than just another Fw-190 or Bf-109 with minimal differences to the ones we've already got.

Just out of curiosity would you like to see? 

[AEthelraedUnraed]

2 hours ago, Jackfraser24 said:

However most IL-2 players would purchase the G-10 and the A-9 simply because it is there to buy. The developers would get their money back rather quickly. 

Do you have any sources for that? I heavily doubt many - let alone most - IL-2 players buy any and all collector plane simply because they exist. I consider myself a fan of the series yet even I haven't got all collector aircraft. Now, the 109 and 190 have their fans. These will surely buy a G-10 and A-9. However for the rest of us, it's "just another" 109/190. I don't think a great many people would buy them.

 

2 hours ago, Jackfraser24 said:

The reason why I am arguing that the Bf-109 G-10 and the Fw-190 A-9 should be included to the plane list is because making these two aircraft would be quicker and easier to make than a developing a whole new aircraft that is not already in the game.

That's a good point. Making variations of planes already in the game is certainly faster/cheaper. However even then, I think there are better options than a G-10 or A-9. For example, a Boston Mk.III, Hurricane Mk. I, Ju-87B-1 and G-1, earlier Yak-1, LaGG-3 series 8.... or even earlier 109/190 variants such as the Bf-109E-1 and the Fw-190A-1 or A-4.

 

For people wanting to fly a late-war Messerschmitt or Focke-Wulf, there are already historical options in the G-14, K-4, A-8 and D-9. A G-10 or A-9 adds little in terms of gameplay. On the contrary, each of the aircraft I just mentioned would enable it to be flown (or fought) in different scenarios/campaigns than are currently possible.

 

3 hours ago, Jackfraser24 said:

Just out of curiosity would you like to see? 

Well, I just mentioned a few Apart from these, considering the upcoming Finland map, I'd really love a Morane-Saulnier M.S.406 or Fokker D.XXI. If this were to be combined with a Bf-109E-1 (and perhaps a Hurricane Mk.I), it would enable Phoney War/Fall Gelb scenarios. Also I'd really like to see a B-25/B-26. I'm also pretty excited about the upcoming I-153 Chaika

 

[Jackfraser24]

1 hour ago, AEthelraedUnraed said:

Do you have any sources for that?

No. I just thought it would be common sense that many would want a new plane simply due to experiencing the novelty of new aircraft. But one thing I do agree with you on is that it would definitely appeal to Bf-109 and Fw-190 fans. I also agree that there is a long line up of 109s and 190s in the game, and that whenever they announce a new variant/sub-variant even I am not that stoked that it is just another version. But still, its another source of income for 1CGS. 

[Jackfraser24]

1 hour ago, AEthelraedUnraed said:

That's a good point. Making variations of planes already in the game is certainly faster/cheaper. However even then, I think there are better options than a G-10 or A-9. For example, a Boston Mk.III, Hurricane Mk. I, Ju-87B-1 and G-1, earlier Yak-1, LaGG-3 series 8.... or even earlier 109/190 variants such as the Bf-109E-1 and the Fw-190A-1 or A-4.

I think we definitely need more aircraft that are suited for Battle of Moscow. For example the Bf-109 E-4, He-111 H-2, Ju-87 B-2, Mc.200, IL-2 Model 1940, Pe-3bis, LaGG-3 series 4, Yak-1 series 1, to name a few. 

1 hour ago, AEthelraedUnraed said:

Well, I just mentioned a few Apart from these, considering the upcoming Finland map, I'd really love a Morane-Saulnier M.S.406 or Fokker D.XXI. If this were to be combined with a Bf-109E-1 (and perhaps a Hurricane Mk.I), it would enable Phoney War/Fall Gelb scenarios. Also I'd really like to see a B-25/B-26. I'm also pretty excited about the upcoming I-153 Chaika

I'm excited about the Ta.152.

[AEthelraedUnraed]

8 hours ago, Jackfraser24 said:

No. I just thought it would be common sense that many would want a new plane simply due to experiencing the novelty of new aircraft.

There's so many things I'd want in this world, but unfortunately most of them cost money so I have to choose . Giving the fact that "just another" Bf-109 or Fw-190 would provide less novelty than a different collector plane, I'd probably decline buying it and spend my money elsewhere.

 

8 hours ago, Jackfraser24 said:

But still, its another source of income for 1CGS. 

In the long run, maybe. But if you take into consideration the fact that they'd have to move personnel over from other projects (Korea as well as other collector planes) thereby delaying those, it might well cost money all things considered.

 

7 hours ago, Jackfraser24 said:

I think we definitely need more aircraft that are suited for Battle of Moscow. For example the Bf-109 E-4, He-111 H-2, Ju-87 B-2, Mc.200, IL-2 Model 1940, Pe-3bis, LaGG-3 series 4, Yak-1 series 1, to name a few.

The Bf-109E-7 we've got in the game is basically identical to the E-4 except for added bomb/droptank attachment points so IMO we can do without (or better, get an earlier variant such as the E-1). I agree about the rest though

 

8 hours ago, Jackfraser24 said:

I'm excited about the Ta.152.

I can see how the Ta-152 would appeal to people, given how it's basically the pinnacle of the Fw-190 series and possibly German piston engined fighter aircraft in general. However, it is of relatively little interest to me personally. We don't have a map for it and its final score was a whopping total of 7-ish kills. But yeah, it all comes down to a preference of recreating historical air battles vs. flying historical planes. Nothing wrong with either of those, but in case of the Ta-152 they happen to be incompatible.

[FliegerAD]

There would not be too much space in terms of gameplay for the G-10, given the G-6AS, G-14 and K-4 exist. The case of the Fw 190 A-9 is somewhat different, though.

 

It is the latest and most powerful of the radial engined 190s with 2000 HP, not just faster and better protected than any other A model we got, but more manoeuvrable than our A-8 if it gets the option to remove the outer wing cannons (which it should). While little effort the bubble canopy gives it a new look, too.

 

Compared to the D-9 it fits a different profile, more durable and with more firepower plus better A2G capabilities, and compared to the A-8 it is a straight upgrade.

 

 

Anyway, it is reasonable assumption that 109s and 190s sell well. The G-6AS already was not terribly 'necessary' yet people seem to like it. People ask for the G-10 all the time. With how little effort it would actually take to create a G-10 or A-9 it is probably financially viable.

 

PS ...moreso than most planes I want, mind you. Even the Pe-3 I want would have a hard time despite not requiring much in terms of modelling.

[Jackfraser24]

6 hours ago, FliegerAD said:

There would not be too much space in terms of gameplay for the G-10, given the G-6AS, G-14 and K-4 exist. The case of the Fw 190 A-9 is somewhat different, though.

Still though, it would help make pilot career mode more accurate and give us another plane to fly around and dogfight in. Also, according to Wikipedia about 2,600 were built. 

[Jackfraser24]

8 hours ago, FliegerAD said:

It is the latest and most powerful of the radial engined 190s with 2000 HP, not just faster and better protected than any other A model we got, but more manoeuvrable than our A-8 if it gets the option to remove the outer wing cannons (which it should). While little effort the bubble canopy gives it a new look, too.

 

Compared to the D-9 it fits a different profile, more durable and with more firepower plus better A2G capabilities, and compared to the A-8 it is a straight upgrade.

Thanks for agreeing with me on the A-9. I think we need an A-4 as well though for Kuban, and any possible future eastern front maps done by 1CGS or third party developers like Kursk, Crimea or the Baltics, to name a few. 

8 hours ago, FliegerAD said:

Anyway, it is reasonable assumption that 109s and 190s sell well. The G-6AS already was not terribly 'necessary' yet people seem to like it. People ask for the G-10 all the time. With how little effort it would actually take to create a G-10 or A-9 it is probably financially viable.

Personally I think that the Bf-109 G-10 and Fw-190 A-9 will come to Great Battles. Reason being they’d be simple enough to make and they were significant variants of their families. The G-10 was numerically significant and the Fw-190 A-9 marked the end of an era for the Fw-190A variant (well that and the end of the war too).

Edited April 26, 2024 by Jackfraser24

[Jackfraser24]

8 hours ago, FliegerAD said:

PS ...moreso than most planes I want, mind you. Even the Pe-3 I want would have a hard time despite not requiring much in terms of modelling.

Would you like to see the A-20G in Great Battles? I think this sim needs it because in real life they were used in Europe between 1944-45 by the Americans. I know that the A-20B was used in Europe at that time too, but only seeing the A-20B variant in AQMB and in career mode makes the USAAF and the RAF look like they were using outdated equipment when in fact they were not. 

[AEthelraedUnraed]

14 hours ago, FliegerAD said:

Anyway, it is reasonable assumption that 109s and 190s sell well. The G-6AS already was not terribly 'necessary' yet people seem to like it. People ask for the G-10 all the time. With how little effort it would actually take to create a G-10 or A-9 it is probably financially viable.

I'm not sure. I remember the reaction being rather mixed instead of people universally liking it. As they are quite legendary planes, the 109 and 190 have a large and dedicated fanbase. These "usual suspects" were rather enthusiastic about the G-6AS, yes, but I remember most others being kinda disappointed about another 109. Anyway, we don't have any sales data. Only 1CGS knows how well it sold. If it sold well enough, we might see another 109 or 190. If it didn't, then probably not.

 

I agree with you that it would probably make a profit anyhow on the long run, but then again, would that profit be enough to warrant moving artists and engineers away from their main project Korea, or even other collector aircraft?

 

7 hours ago, Jackfraser24 said:

Still though, it would help make pilot career mode more accurate and give us another plane to fly around and dogfight in. Also, according to Wikipedia about 2,600 were built. 

I disagree about the "more accurate" part. It would add options (when flying German) and variety (when flying Allied - although I doubt you have the time in a dogfight and come close enough to identify the exact subtype of 109 you are fighting). But based on production numbers, there were around 2.5 times as many G-14s and K-4s than G-10s in use. I would argue that given the dismal state of the Luftwaffe in late 1944-early 1945, it's entirely plausible (i.e. "accurate") to only encounter G-14s and K-4s. Likewise, a G-10 doesn't add any different roles or mission types that would not have been flown by the other types so there's no "accuracy" to be gained there either.

 

5 hours ago, Jackfraser24 said:

Would you like to see the A-20G in Great Battles? I think this sim needs it because in real life they were used in Europe between 1944-45 by the Americans. I know that the A-20B was used in Europe at that time too, but only seeing the A-20B variant in AQMB and in career mode makes the USAAF and the RAF look like they were using outdated equipment when in fact they were not. 

I think the A-20G would be an excellent choice for a collector aircraft. I don't think the A-20B was ever used much in Western Europe at all? From what I can find, it was only used by a single reconnaissance squadron in the ETO (besides its widespread use in the VVS of course). The A-20B is similar to the DB-7A (Havoc II) that the RAF did use however, albeit in a nightfighting role which is practically nonexistent in the game. So especially when talking about accuracy, we would definitely need another variant of the A-20. The G is a very good candidate, or perhaps a Boston III to fly 1942-1943 missions.

[Jackfraser24]

7 hours ago, AEthelraedUnraed said:

I think the A-20G would be an excellent choice for a collector aircraft. I don't think the A-20B was ever used much in Western Europe at all? From what I can find, it was only used by a single reconnaissance squadron in the ETO (besides its widespread use in the VVS of course). The A-20B is similar to the DB-7A (Havoc II) that the RAF did use however, albeit in a nightfighting role which is practically nonexistent in the game. So especially when talking about accuracy, we would definitely need another variant of the A-20. The G is a very good candidate, or perhaps a Boston III to fly 1942-1943 missions.

Would you like to see the IL-4 in Great Battles? I believe they were in the Kuban region, so it would be good for pilot career mode. They would also be handy to have in multiplayer because of their payload of 2,000 kgs of bombs, its range, and their ability to take a heap of punishment from enemy fire. And if in the future eastern front battle maps were made like Smolensk, Crimea or Kursk/Kharkov (to name a few), they would be useful there. 

[AEthelraedUnraed]

1 minute ago, Jackfraser24 said:

Would you like to see the IL-4 in Great Battles? I believe they were in the Kuban region, so it would be good for pilot career mode. They would also be handy to have in multiplayer because of their payload of 2,000 kgs of bombs, its range, and their ability to take a heap of punishment from enemy fire. And if in the future eastern front battle maps were made like Smolensk, Crimea or Kursk/Kharkov (to name a few), they would be useful there. 

Absolutely! Personally, I care less about its payload as I don't play multiplayer. But if I'm not mistaken, it was widely used throughout the war. Besides the already existing maps, there's at least a Finland/Leningrad map as well as an Odessa map coming up, and for both it would be of real added value.

 

To some extent, the same goes for the SB2 and DB-3 bombers, although I agree that the IL-4 would probably be the better choice.

 

On another note, I would really like the oversized/underpowered TB-3 bomber. It was used for much longer than it should have been, with some aircraft apparently still being active in 1945.

[Jackfraser24]

2 hours ago, AEthelraedUnraed said:

Absolutely! Personally, I care less about its payload as I don't play multiplayer. But if I'm not mistaken, it was widely used throughout the war. Besides the already existing maps, there's at least a Finland/Leningrad map as well as an Odessa map coming up, and for both it would be of real added value.

 

To some extent, the same goes for the SB2 and DB-3 bombers, although I agree that the IL-4 would probably be the better choice.

 

On another note, I would really like the oversized/underpowered TB-3 bomber. It was used for much longer than it should have been, with some aircraft apparently still being active in 1945.

What about having more P-40sin the game? I think we need the Tomahawk Mk.IIa & b for Moscow and Stalingrad for one. I also think we need the P-40 K, M and N as well for the VVS. They would have a place in career mode for the Stalingrad, Kuban and the Finnish map. I know that the P-40 was inferior to contemporary Axis planes like the Bf-109, Fw-190 and A6M Zero, but I also know that it could be just as good as it's adversaries in the right hands. 

[Jackfraser24]

Would anyone like to see a Ju-87 D-1? I am aware that many want a Ju-87 B-2 and D-5 but I have never heard of a discussion for a D-1. I also understand that adding this plane would only serve to make career mode more accurate, diversify the Ju-87 family and add to plane variety in AQMB. But maybe those are good enough reasons to have a Ju-87 D-1 as well as a B-2 and D-5. 

[FliegerAD]

On 4/26/2024 at 12:50 PM, AEthelraedUnraed said:

These "usual suspects" were rather enthusiastic about the G-6AS, yes, but I remember most others being kinda disappointed about another 109. Anyway, we don't have any sales data.

 

Pot-kettle, I'd say. From my perspective it was the usual naysayers who complained and most liked it, but as you said both of us lack hard data. 😉

 

Anyway, my main point was on the A-9 for which imo there is a gameplay case. (A historical case, too, obviously). It is not the strongest case, the choice of the A-8 was absolutely correct looking at the numbers, but is a case exactly designed for the Collector's series: significant but not overwhelming numbers, serving on all fronts, a very clear role of how to up- or sidegrade existing planes, and minimal effort in creating it.

 

 

On 4/26/2024 at 12:50 PM, AEthelraedUnraed said:

I would argue that given the dismal state of the Luftwaffe in late 1944-early 1945, it's entirely plausible (i.e. "accurate") to only encounter G-14s and K-4s. Likewise, a G-10 doesn't add any different roles or mission types that would not have been flown by the other types so there's no "accuracy" to be gained there either.

 

That's two aspects here, gameplay and historicity. In terms of gameplay I agree, there is virtually nothing the G-10 offers, except the near-K-4 performance with the option of the 20mm. Not enough for me personally.

 

In terms of historicity however, the G-10 was the most advanced 109 the allies encountered on some fronts (like Courland), and it was the most advanced 109 Germany's allies got. Obviously, neither Courland nor Hungary nor Northern Italy are mapped, so that point is somewhat mood.

...but only somewhat. With the Yak-3 or the Ta 152 coming despite having no proper map to operate in, that particular requirement seems to have been dropped.

It is not that I like that direction, but it is there.

 

Again, I like niche planes. I want the Pe-3, the Ju 88 R-2... but I realize it is power fantasy planes like the 152 paying the devs' bills.

[Jackfraser24]

On 4/29/2024 at 4:10 AM, FliegerAD said:

Again, I like niche planes. I want the Pe-3, the Ju 88 R-2... but I realize it is power fantasy planes like the 152 paying the devs' bills.

Would you like to see the Do-335 A-0 in the game? They didn’t see any combat at all in the war in real life but they could make fictional pilot careers for them as well as fictional campaigns for them.

[Jackfraser24]

Would anyone like to pay for a Do-335 dlc? 

[ST_Catchov]

I'd like to see the Me 323.

 

[BOO]

6 minutes ago, ST_Catchov said:

I'd like to see the Me 323.

 

You couldn’t miss it…

[Jackfraser24]

On 5/2/2024 at 7:21 PM, ST_Catchov said:

I'd like to see the Me 323.

 

Whatever they bring out next I'll buy. Though I think we need the P-40K/M variants for the Kuban and Karelia maps.

[BMA_FlyingShark]

14 minutes ago, Jackfraser24 said:

Whatever they bring out next I'll buy. Though I think we need the P-40K/M variants for the Kuban and Karelia maps.

Me too I'd buy anything they bring out and I completely agree 'bout the P-40s (and while they're at it, they can make us an early P40 too).

 

Have a nice day.

 

[Jackfraser24]

8 hours ago, FlyingShark said:

Me too I'd buy anything they bring out and I completely agree 'bout the P-40s (and while they're at it, they can make us an early P40 too).

 

Have a nice day.

 

Like the Tomahawk? I think we need the Tomahawk for Moscow, Stalingrad, Kuban and the Karelia map.

[BMA_FlyingShark]

3 hours ago, Jackfraser24 said:

Like the Tomahawk? I think we need the Tomahawk for Moscow, Stalingrad, Kuban and the Karelia map.

Indeed.

 

Have a nice day.

 

[Jackfraser24]

To be perfectly reasonable this time round, here are some aircraft I think Great Battles urgently needs now.

 

Axis

• Bf-109 E-4 - Moscow, Stalingrad
• Bf-109 G-10 - Bodenplatte 
• Bf-110 F-2 
• Fw-190 A-9 - Bodenplatte
• He-111 H-20 - Normandy, Bodenplatte
• Ju-87 B-2 - Moscow, Stalingrad, Kuban
• Ju-87 D-5 - Kuban, Normandy, Bodenplatte
• Ju-188 A/E - Normandy, Bodenplatte
• Mc.200 Series 7 Moscow, Stalingrad

Allies

• A-20G - Kuban, Normandy, Bodenplatte
• G-11 (Soviet Glider) - Stalingrad, Kuban
• IL-4 - Stalingrad, Kuban
• LaGG-3 Series 4 - Moscow, Stalingrad
• LaGG-3 Series 35 - Stalingrad, Kuban 
• Mosquito Mk.IV - Kuban, Normandy, Bodenplatte
• P-38 L-1 - Bodenplatte
• P-39 N-1 - Stalingrad, Kuban
• P-40 M - Kuban
• P-47 D-30 - Bodenplatte
• P-51 D-5 - Normandy, Bodenplatte
• P-51 D-20 - Bodenplatte
• Pe-3bis - Moscow, Stalingrad, Kuban
• SB-2 - Moscow, Stalingrad
• Spitfire Mk.XVI, Normandy, Bodenplatte
• Yak-1 Series 1 - Moscow, Stalingrad
• Yak-1M - Stalingrad, Kuban
• Yak-9D - Kuban

[BMA_FlyingShark]

Jack, again, I'd buy all of them.

But maybe include the early P-40 for Stalingrad and maybe an early P51 for Normandy?

 

Have nice day.

 

[FliegerAD]

On 4/29/2024 at 10:06 PM, Jackfraser24 said:

Would you like to see the Do-335 A-0 in the game?

 

No, mostly because there are still so many planes with actual service records, including the He 162 - which is definitely on the table if the Ta 152 is considered eligible now. The Meteor, too. But even that would never be my first choice.

 

Personally I would like to see something I can use on our maps. The aforementioned Ju 88 R-2 for example could be used in Normandy just like the C-6, just with more speed and greater firepower. Sounds like a deal to me, especially since the modelling effort is very small.

Same goes for the Pe-3, which also would hold the distinction of becoming the first Soviet heavy fighter in game. Using that to tangle with 110s and 88s could be fun!

[Enceladus828]

On 5/4/2024 at 10:52 AM, Jackfraser24 said:

To be perfectly reasonable this time round, here are some aircraft I think Great Battles urgently needs now.

Urgently? I think not.

 

The only planes in your list I agree with are the Bf-110F, Ju-87s, A-20G, Mosquito Mk. IV, P-38L, P-40M, and Pe-3 (the LaGGs and Yak-1s would likely be added for Odessa or Karelia). Unless it was for $5 nobody would get the G-11 as you can barely doing anything with the WACO glider so the G-11 wouldn’t fair any better. I like the IL-4 and SB-2 but at this point the demand for a flyable B-25 is so great that it should be done before those two. With the other variants you listed, as I and others have said, what makes them considerably different than other aircraft already in the game and would they add something new?

You can only milk the Bf-109, Fw-190 and Spitfire cow for so long before it feels like every last drop of milk is being squeezed out when there are other planes that would be more appealing. 
 

The demand for Combat flight sims 20 years ago was so great that dozens of planes and variants could be released per installment but right now more people are interested in X-Plane, MSFS and War Thunder, the latter of which being the only one that can add dozens of planes in a short timeline because it is an arcade game with lower fidelity DMs, cockpits and FMs.

 

At this point we have a pretty complete lineup of the late war Western Front with the only planes we’re really missing are heavy bombers, flyable light bombers and the A-20G. The German side is pretty much done with the only ones that would be worth adding are the aforementioned Ju-87s, Ju-88P-2, Bf-110F and Hs-123. We can hold off on the remaining 109s and 190s until a Battle of Berlin installment.

 

Every installment and plane added is pretty much a gamble for the devs: gamble right and it will be very profitable, gamble poorly and it might just break even.

 

Cheers

[Jackfraser24]

On 5/7/2024 at 5:19 AM, Enceladus828 said:

You can only milk the Bf-109, Fw-190 and Spitfire cow for so long before it feels like every last drop of milk is being squeezed out when there are other planes that would be more appealing.

Well I guess they should go and milk some more aircraft families then.

 

 

On 5/7/2024 at 5:19 AM, Enceladus828 said:

At this point we have a pretty complete lineup of the late war Western Front with the only planes we’re really missing are heavy bombers, flyable light bombers and the A-20G.

I'd have to disagree because there's still aircraft like the He-162, Do-335, He-111 H-20, Ju-188 A/E, Meteor, and several variants of the P-38, P-47 and P-51 are not in the game yet. But I do agree that the B-25 and B-26 collector planes should be done.

On 5/7/2024 at 5:19 AM, Enceladus828 said:

The only planes in your list I agree with are the Bf-110F, Ju-87s, A-20G, Mosquito Mk. IV, P-38L, P-40M, and Pe-3 (the LaGGs and Yak-1s would likely be added for Odessa or Karelia).

What other planes do you think we need?

[Enceladus828]

25 minutes ago, Jackfraser24 said:

Well I guess they should go and milk some more aircraft families then.

Mosquito, A-20 and Bf-110 are my picks so we can get their aforementioned variants.

 

27 minutes ago, Jackfraser24 said:

I'd have to disagree because there's still aircraft like the He-162, Do-335, He-111 H-20, Ju-188 A/E, Meteor, and several variants of the P-38, P-47 and P-51 are not in the game yet.

Dude, as much as a love the He-162, at the moment it’s a very low priority plane. Most of the 120 planes that were actually delivered never saw action with only a few sorties in last few weeks of the war. Considerable losses were due to a wing or tail falling off because they had to be glued onto the plane and it was a poor quality glue.

 

With the Do 335, only 11 were delivered and it never shot down any planes so an even lower priority than the He-162.

 

He-111H-20 and Ju-188, again German bombers by this point were meat on the table and regardless saw limited action compared to their 1943 and earlier versions.

For the P-38 and P-47, the only ones I’d want to see right now are the P-38L and the P-47M, the P-51 WW2 wise is covered.

 

Gloster Meteor would be a cool plane to have but right now I’d rather see the P-38L, P-47M and the trio mentioned in my above response.

 

Just because a plane technically speaking entered service in WW2 or saw action in a particular battle doesn’t mean it should automatically be added to the game.

[Jackfraser24]

2 hours ago, Enceladus828 said:

Dude, as much as a love the He-162, at the moment it’s a very low priority plane. Most of the 120 planes that were actually delivered never saw action with only a few sorties in last few weeks of the war. Considerable losses were due to a wing or tail falling off because they had to be glued onto the plane and it was a poor quality glue.

What planes would you consider high priority?

2 hours ago, Enceladus828 said:

With the Do 335, only 11 were delivered and it never shot down any planes so an even lower priority than the He-162.

Good point. But what about multiplayer? Players fighting for the Axis could use a plane like this one. It is fast and can be used as a fast ground attack aircraft or as a bomber destroyer. I see what you are saying though about being a very low priority. 

2 hours ago, Enceladus828 said:

He-111H-20 and Ju-188, again German bombers by this point were meat on the table and regardless saw limited action compared to their 1943 and earlier versions.

I see what you are saying. By the time Allied forces had reached the Low Countries the Luftwaffe's bomber command had been largely crippled. But then there was Operation Steinbock before D-day. The He-111 H-20 and Ju-188 E-1 were used in the Baby Blitz.

[Jackfraser24]

2 hours ago, Enceladus828 said:

Gloster Meteor would be a cool plane to have but right now I’d rather see the P-38L, P-47M and the trio mentioned in my above response.

We'll have to wait and see what they do then. What planes do you think they will likely do after they have released the I-153 and Ta-152? What aircraft are most wanted by the community?

[kraut1]

8 hours ago, Jackfraser24 said:

We'll have to wait and see what they do then. What planes do you think they will likely do after they have released the I-153 and Ta-152? What aircraft are most wanted by the community?

If we think about which planes (and maybe maps) are most wanted by the community, we should not forget, that we have currently huge gaps to fly a wartime career or alternatively to create historical correct campaign missions until the end of the war.

In General:

German planes: most of the required planes from 1941 - 1945 are available.

UK / US fighters and fighter bombers: most of the required (single engine) planes from 1941 - 1945 are available.

with the Rhineland map German, UK and US career missions can be created until ca. march / april 45, more or less the end of the war.

(small question: where on this map were the last historical Air combat operations, maybe in may45?)

 

Eastern front:

-current Career from October 41 ... only to September 43.

-By using the most western areas of the existing Eastern Front maps missions can be created until ca. February 44(Velikiye Luki map) / April44(Kuban map)

-When Odessa / Finnland maps are availabe missions can be created until ca. Summer 44.

-Urgently required to end a wartime Eastern Front career (especially for the russian pilots) is a map that saw action until May 45:

under consideration, that the available resources / manpower to create huge / complex maps with huge cities are limited, a Kurland map could make sence:

(only an example)

 

-Required planes to end a wartime Eastern Front career:

-most urgent at least 1 or 2 advanced high performance russian fighter planes:

e.g.: Yak3 / La7

-newer versions of the IL2 / Pe2 are required too, but on the other hand the existing Pe2-s87 and the IL2-M43 could be used for late war missions too.

-For general eastern front mission design very importent would be a bigger, medium russian bomber, that was used during a long period of the war:

e.g.: IL-4 The IL-4 was in service from 41-45, minimum required as AI plane, if flyable could be used for interesting torpedo attacks too.

 

Western front:

Urgently required is at least 1 flyable, historical correct US/UK Bomber:

-the B25 is a great plane, but it was used in western Europe in first line only by british squadrons in limited numbers.

-B26: was used frequently by the USAAF in western Europe, but as far as I know in first line for normal medium altitude bomber missions, maybe for many pilots not so interesting. AI version maybe sufficient

-A20: By adding an historical US and a british Boston version, both with optional machine gun modifications for ground attacks, the A20 could be used for normal bomber attacks and additionally for interesting low level attacks against ground / ship targets

-At least 1 AI US 4 engine bomber is urgently required to have something to escort / shoot down for the available US P47 / P51 fighters and for the big variety of existing German interceptors with existing heavy bomber interception armament modifications, the BK5cm of the Me410, the WG21 and the FW190 Sturm modifications are not required for attacks on A20 / B26 bombers.

(maybe a 90% historical correct AI B17-F with -G chin turret modification for 43...45 missions)

 

This is only my personal point of view what is most urgently required to fill the gaps in the current careers and what could be created with an acceptable expense of time and costs.

 

 

 

 

Edited May 10, 2024 by kraut1

[Enceladus828]

15 hours ago, Jackfraser24 said:

Good point. But what about multiplayer? Players fighting for the Axis could use a plane like this one. It is fast and can be used as a fast ground attack aircraft or as a bomber destroyer. I see what you are saying though about being a very low priority. 

Dude that is completely absurd. It takes a year (maybe) longer to make an entirely new plane. Why waste so much time and resources on a plane which only encountered the enemy once just to appeal MP users??

 

15 hours ago, Jackfraser24 said:

But then there was Operation Steinbock before D-day. The He-111 H-20 and Ju-188 E-1 were used in the Baby Blitz.

First of all, how many people actually know about Operation Steinbock/the Baby Blitz? Given the fact that it’s known as the Baby Blitz pretty much says that it was minimal compared to the Blitz and the bombings of Stalingrad and Malta.

 

Secondly, all it did was just exhaust the Luftwaffe bomber force and was an operational failure so they didn’t really gain anything from it.

 

Lastly, the He-111H-20 and Ju-188 are added for something that was a failure and exhausted the bomber force, what are we supposed to do with the these bombers after?

The Ju-188 and later He-111s aren’t going to be added anytime soon so you’re just flogging a dead horse here.

[Jackfraser24]

I think what is coming after the I-153 and Ta-152 will be the following aircraft.

• Ju-87 D-5
• La-7
• Yak-3

I guess at some point we will see these following aircraft in the sim.

• Bf-110 F-2
• D.XXI Sarja 3 late (Finnish)
• Fw-190 A-9
• Hurricane Mk.I (Finnish)
• IL-10
• J8A (Finnish/Swedish Gladiator)
• Morko Morane (Finnish)
• P-63 C-5
• Pe-3bis
• Tu-2

 

[Bonnot]

On 5/10/2024 at 2:28 PM, kraut1 said:

-At least 1 AI US 4 engine bomber is urgently required to have something to escort / shoot down for the available US P47 / P51 fighters and for the big variety of existing German interceptors with existing heavy bomber interception armament modifications,

....a Stupid Question : what use is a super  high altitude interceptor when there is nothing to intercept   🙄

[BMA_FlyingShark]

3 hours ago, Bonnot said:

what use is a super  high altitude interceptor when there is nothing to intercept

For starters that those super high altitude interceptors weren't exclusively used as super high intercepters but saw combat at lower alts too and were even used as ground attackers.

 

Have a nice day.

 

[Jackfraser24]

If you could only choose 10 aircraft for 1CGS to do what would they be? Mine would be

1. Bf-109 G-10
2. Do-335 A-1
3. Fw-190 A-9
4. He-162 A
5. Ju-188 E-1
6. P-38 L-5
7. P-40N
8. P-47M
9. P-51 D-20
10. Spitfire Mk.XVI

[kraut1]

On 5/18/2024 at 8:22 PM, Bonnot said:

....a Stupid Question : what use is a super  high altitude interceptor when there is nothing to intercept   🙄

Because the Mosquito with the current FB equipment is not for high altitude missions suitable, I will try with EMG to create mission types:

1943-44-45:

-on Normandy map

-on the Rheinland map until September 44 allied only AI with Airstart, after September 44 on Rheinland map allied and axis player controlled full missions.

(note: because the current maps do not allow non-stop missions from England to Germany the missing drop tank issue is not so critical)

 

-Allied high altitude offensive fighter sweeps, intercepted by german interceptors.

-by using AI B25 as dummy 4 engine bombers (AI 4 engine bomber urgent required) and AI heavy bomber german interceptors (FW190/BF11/Me410) there could be allied escort missions flown and on the other hand german high altitude fighters (BF109...) could try to protect HB interceptors.

-maybe the P-38 F... Lightning reconnaissance plane flew in high altitude?, could be used for mission creation too.

-these high altitude missions could be combined with low level strafing by the returning US escort fighters and defensive by german fighters.

 

 

 

 

Edited May 20, 2024 by kraut1

[kraut1]

On 5/19/2024 at 8:54 AM, Jackfraser24 said:

If you could only choose 10 aircraft for 1CGS to do what would they be? Mine would be

I would prefer to extend all careers as far as possible and to enable BoF / BoB / Finnish careers:

1. Bristol Blenheim (british, commonwelth, finnish)
2. Morane 406 (french / finnish)
3. BF109-E3
4. Spitfire MKIa (with Ib mod)
5. A20G + Boston III mod (or Boston III mod for the existing A20B, but 1 historical, flyable US A20 for Western Europe is required)
6. Ju87-B2
7. Yak-3
8. La-7
9. IL-4 (flyable or AI)
10. B17-F(AI) with optional chin turret

 

Note for usage of existing planes:

BF109-E7 very similar to -E4, maybe a mod with another spinner

BF110-E similar to -C: similar performance and typical early 4xMG17 and 2xMG-FF armament

He111-H6 with MG15 armament is similar to earlier BoF / BoB versions (with MG-FF mod deactivated)

Hurricane II: maybe a "downgraded" engine modification or a not so effective earlier propeller mod (Rotol?)

Ju88-A4: maybe an armament mod with MG15 instead of MG81

FW190-A3 with BMW801C mod for FW190-A2

Drop Tanks: because the current maps do not allow non-stop missions from England to Netherlands, Belgium and Germany the missing drop tank issue is from my point of view not so critical (deleted after comment by @Enceladus828)

 

Edited May 21, 2024 by kraut1