WWII Aircraft Suggested Plane List

[AsusGamer21]

Hello!

 

I found this plane as I was digging through some forgotten plane projects. So here it is!

 

History: When Germany was preparing for war in 1937, it was clear that reconnaissance planes will be needed, as this was important tactic in Blitzkrieg. Henschel saw potential in this and made Henschel Hs 122. But that plane received mixed feelings, so Henschel put a more powerfull Bramo 323 in virtually the same fuselage. The result was Henschel Hs 126. It was known for its very low takeoff distance and good low-speed handling. Production started in 1937 and ran to 1942. It was primarily used for observation in early stages of the war, but was later relagated to glider tug and night ground attack, with Fw 189 and Fieseler Storch taking its original role. In 1942 the plane was removed from service. About 600 planes were produced.

 

Interesting fact: Henschel Hs 126s were used in 1943s rescue of Benito Musolini. They were towing 10 DFS 230 attack gliders.

 

Pictures: MAY CONTAIN SWASTIKAS!

 

 

Henschel Hs 126 startup.

 

Spoiler

 

Possible paint schemes for Hs 126.

 

Specifications:

 

General characteristics

 

Crew: Two (pilot and observer/gunner)

Length: 10.9 m (35 ft 7 in)
Wingspan: 14.5 m (47 ft 7 in)
Height: 3.8 m (12 ft 4 in)
Wing area: 31.6 m² (340 ft²)
Empty weight: 2,030 kg (4,480 lb)
Loaded weight: 3,090 kg (6,820 lb)
Powerplant: 1× Bramo 323 9-cylinder radial engine, 625 kW (850 PS)

 

Performance

Maximum speed: 356 km/h at 3,000 m (221 mph at 9,850 ft)
Range: 998 km (620 mi)
Service ceiling: 8,530 m (28,000 ft)
Rate of climb: 550 m/min (1,800 ft/min)
Wing loading: 97.8 kg/m² (20.1 lb/ft²)
Power/mass: 0.21 kW/kg (0.13 hp/lb)

 

Armament

 

1 × forward-firing 7.92 mm (.312 in) MG 17 machine gun
1 × flexible 7.92 mm (.312 in) MG 15 machine gun in the observer/gunner
Up to 150 kg (330 lb) of bombs

[=27=Davesteu]

24 minutes ago, AsusGamer21 said:

It could be added to tech tree, but as a very low tier 1.

 

Did you make sure you are posting in the correct forum?

Nevertheless: A nice plane I wouldn't mind, but from the current point of view a Fw 189 would make somewhat more sense, while both are absolutely no priority to me despite I like them.

[AsusGamer21]

sorry i write wrong

[Cybermat47]

While I would prefer a Hs-123, the Hs-126 still looks like an interesting aircraft - and it would be great to have recon missions.

[AsusGamer21]

Hs 126 is a good plane. it was used a lot on eastern front as a reconnaissance plane

Edited April 9, 2018 by AsusGamer21

[Eicio]

The hs 123 would make more sense

[AsusGamer21]

The ha 123 was user a bit lower the the ha 126. The hs 126 was used a lot for reconnaissance in eastern front

[Eicio]

The hs 123 was still used until the end of the war.

[AsusGamer21]

also the hs 126

[InProgress]

4 hours ago, Eicio said:

The hs 123 was still used until the end of the war.

No it was not, it ended in 1944 while hs126 was there till 1945. Also hs123 is way diffrent than hs126, it would make sense to have it in spanish civil war, but ostfront? It will end up like it did in real life, all would be destroyed. hs126 is the closest to po2 (which will be premium plane) so germans will have to get something as well, which may be hs126 since these 2 are similar, both were used as night bombers over stalingrad, they both have guns, they can add new gameplay mechanic which is recon/arty spotter (which devs already confiremed if i am not wrong) so it makes 1000x more sense to get 126 over an old biplane dive bomber and close-support attacker. We have ju87 for that.

[AsusGamer21]

55 minutes ago, InProgress said:

No it was not, it ended in 1944 while hs126 was there till 1945. Also hs123 is way diffrent than hs126, it would make sense to have it in spanish civil war, but ostfront? It will end up like it did in real life, all would be destroyed. hs126 is the closest to po2 (which will be premium plane) so germans will have to get something as well, which may be hs126 since these 2 are similar, both were used as night bombers over stalingrad, they both have guns, they can add new gameplay mechanic which is recon/arty spotter (which devs already confiremed if i am not wrong) so it makes 1000x more sense to get 126 over an old biplane dive bomber and close-support attacker. We have ju87 for that.

thanks man

thats right

[Royal_Flight]

On 10/04/2018 at 4:29 PM, InProgress said:

No it was not, it ended in 1944 while hs126 was there till 1945. Also hs123 is way diffrent than hs126, it would make sense to have it in spanish civil war, but ostfront? It will end up like it did in real life, all would be destroyed. hs126 is the closest to po2 (which will be premium plane) so germans will have to get something as well, which may be hs126 since these 2 are similar, both were used as night bombers over stalingrad, they both have guns, they can add new gameplay mechanic which is recon/arty spotter (which devs already confiremed if i am not wrong) so it makes 1000x more sense to get 126 over an old biplane dive bomber and close-support attacker. We have ju87 for that.

 

I don't think this is strictly true. Despite being obsolescent before the start of the war, the Hs 123 was used continually to great effect on the Eastern Front. It was only phased out in 1944 due to a shortage of spare parts and the airframes couldn't be kept serviceable any longer. The Luftwaffe even asked if production could be restarted because of how useful they were, but this was not possible as the factory had dismantled the tools after production ended in 1940.

So it's not the case that all were destroyed and seemingly they were tough and agile enough that they didn't experience an unsustainable attrition rate. 

 

In terms of arty spotting, recce etc though, yes the Hs 126 would be a better fit for these types of roles.

However, as a rugged and accurate close-support aircraft there would be a niche for the Hs 123 to fill as it's different enough from the Stuka that, although their roles overlap, one wouldn't replace the other.

 

Granted, I wouldn't want to face off against an La-5FN in one, but it shouldn't be a sitting duck. 

Edited April 11, 2018 by Royal_Flight

[AsusGamer21]

1 hour ago, Royal_Flight said:

 

I don't think this is strictly true. Despite being obsolescent before the start of the war, the Hs 123 was used continually to great effect on the Eastern Front. It was only phased out in 1944 due to a shortage of spare parts and the airframes couldn't be kept serviceable any longer. The Luftwaffe even asked if production could be restarted because of how useful they were, but this was not possible as the factory had dismantled the tools after production ended in 1940.

So it's not the case that all were destroyed and seemingly they were tough and agile enough that they didn't experience an unsustainable attrition rate. 

 

In terms of arty spotting, recce etc though, yes the Hs 126 would be a better fit for these types of roles.

However, as a rugged and accurate close-support aircraft there would be a niche for the Hs 123 to fill as it's different enough from the Stuka that, although their roles overlap, one wouldn't replace the other.

 

Granted, I wouldn't want to face off against an La-5FN in one, but it shouldn't be a sitting duck. 

so it's best the hs123 or the hs126

Edited April 11, 2018 by AsusGamer21

[InProgress]

Hs126, storch or fw189 is must have for germans due to po2 being developed. They need a recon plane/arty spotter. 

I assume, when russians get transport plane, Germany will get a fighter (just like russians got after ju52 for Germans). So it could be possible to get something in that time. But I don't think so hs123 woud be good choice,  we are in need of bf110F version for stalingrad and 1942 scenarios. Ju87B or D for early and late scenarios and do17.

[Eicio]

If you really think that the soviets need a transport plane I'd much rather have an IAR 80/81 than a third version of the bf 110.

[=FEW=Hauggy]

I'm not sure what more variants of the same aircraft will bring tho.

I'm curious which version you're thinking about.

Something exotic like an IAR would be great tho.

[InProgress]

7 hours ago, Hauggy said:

I'm not sure what more variants of the same aircraft will bring tho.

Better than ANOTHER fighter. E is too weak for stalingrad and G was not there, we need 110F for 1942 scenarios, new stuka would also be cool. Ju87 D5 would give us a little more advanced and better version and B would be great for early war scenarios (1941) I am sure it would all be better as expansion, at least early stuff for leningrad, Do17, Ju87B, maybe even your hs123 + buffalo for fins? But now i would really vote for bf110 F2.

Edited April 12, 2018 by InProgress

[=FEW=Hauggy]

50 minutes ago, InProgress said:

Better than ANOTHER fighter. E is too weak for stalingrad and G was not there, we need 110F for 1942 scenarios, new stuka would also be cool. Ju87 D5 would give us a little more advanced and better version and B would be great for early war scenarios (1941) I am sure it would all be better as expansion, at least early stuff for leningrad, Do17, Ju87B, maybe even your hs123 + buffalo for fins? But now i would really vote for bf110 F2.

Let me tell you that what we have now is pretty much a Stuka D(1-3)-G1 the one we already have has missing features from the release so asking for a second one before this is even completed isn't really a good idea imo, if there's a stuka the game might be missing it would be the B and certainly not the D-5 that came to the front for the battle of Kursk in summer 43 the thing is this battle isn't in game, this version wouldn't fit and it's way to similar to what we have it just had more armor no dive breaks and 2 cannons.

I really think everybody can live without any other 110 version and be happy with a E model, it's not like the Germans weren't using their outdated planes anymore I'd say two versions of that flying failure is pretty fine for now and there's surely more interesting stuff to bring in but that's just my opinion.

Also as you can see in my signature that my favorite plane to bring into the game is the I-153 because of how massively used it was in the first years of the war in the east and how it works with every map we got and also because we have asbolutely no biplanes as of now.

Edited April 12, 2018 by Hauggy

[InProgress]

16 minutes ago, Hauggy said:

has missing features from the release so asking for a second one before this is even completed isn't really a good idea imo

yes it is, because during work on new version they ccan fix older one. Just like they did with Fw190.

 

16 minutes ago, Hauggy said:

D-5 that came to the front for the battle of Kursk in summer 43 the thing is this battle isn't in game

It will be soon as tank map but planes will be able to fly there too.

 

16 minutes ago, Hauggy said:

this version wouldn't fit and it's way to similar to what we have it just had more armor no dive breaks and 2 cannons.

and it makes it easy to make. More armor and 2 cannons is HUGE improvment that can save your life and allow you to actually kill something with your guns, especially ground targets. Also D5 had bigger wings so it's not really the same aircraft.

 

Bf110 F2 should be in game, not only because you can fly it but because it was there and it's not just a small historical curio. I would rather see a nightfighter tho. F4 with 3 crew but that would require lots of work on new game mechanics and AI. It's also easier and cheaper to make another version of X plane than new one. Allows devs to get more money for future projects.

16 minutes ago, Hauggy said:

I-153

well, it's a russian plane so has nothing to do with german premium plane choice or set for another expansion.

Edited April 12, 2018 by InProgress

[=FEW=Hauggy]

16 minutes ago, InProgress said:

yes it is, because during work on new version they ccan fix older one. Just like they did with Fw190.

It seems to me that the devs don't have infinite time, budget and manpower for too much stuff that people wouldn't be too interested in but you could be right the G6 was quite appealing to me despite in being yet another version of the same plane sort of.

22 minutes ago, InProgress said:

It will be soon as tank map but planes will be able to fly there too.

and it makes it easy to make. More armor and 2 cannons is HUGE improvment that can save your life and allow you to actually kill something with your guns, especially ground targets. Also D5 had bigger wings so it's not really the same aircraft.

Well I'm not exactly sure what to expect from tank crew yet but if we do get the opportunity to have both planes and tank on that potential Prokorovka map then yeah I guess it might just be an interesting choice.

Also no that's the thing the flight model would have to be changed, the 3D model aswel and for what, a barely better armed version much more heavy and with the main difference being a different gunsight. I wouldn't really be interested in buying this personally if something else came out and it would be a lot of work for the devs obviously just like the 110 Friedrich would certainly be for little difference with existing models.

 

22 minutes ago, InProgress said:

well, it's a russian plane so has nothing to do with german premium plane choice or set for another expansion.

Well you mentionned the Buffalo that I bet will be in the future Pacific theater as an allied plane so I was thinking thats a free for all xD

Anyway if I had to pick a German plane I really miss in that sim that would be any model of Dornier 217 and then the Hs 123 as it played a minor role but since it's the only biplane the Germans had it's still an interesting choice to me.

[InProgress]

3 minutes ago, Hauggy said:

Well you mentionned the Buffalo that I bet will be in the future Pacific theater as an allied plane so I was thinking thats a free for all xD

Fins used this plane against soviets, fins were allies of germany so it would be nice plane, just like mc202 of italy. But i am not sure if they used it on leningrad front. But would work for Finland map.

Edited April 12, 2018 by InProgress

[=FEW=Hauggy]

3 hours ago, InProgress said:

Fins used this plane against soviets, fins were allies of germany so it would be nice plane, just like mc202 of italy. But i am not sure if they used it on leningrad front. But would work for Finland map.

Yes I know but considering the small amount used in the Finnish air force...it's not even worth thinking about before the Pacific front imo.

Also the Finns don't have much to be doing in this game if we had a "Battle of Leningrad" then okay maybe but right here and now it sounds like nonsense to me having planes only used by Finns over Moscow and Stalingrad, Im pretty sure they only protected their own airpsace and the neightboring areas and the best we can expect is like a skin for this lovely flying coffin  if it ever comes out at all.

Im not saying Im against it I'm saying a specific minor early war Finnish plane would make no sense at all with what we got and Im expecting it to be disregarded by the devs if they ever think about it and for good reasons.

The difference here is the Italians had troops and a squadron of MC 202 near Stalingrad unlike the Finns.

Edited April 12, 2018 by Hauggy

[InProgress]

I meant this plane as something for leningrad expansion.

[Lusekofte]

22 minutes ago, MeoW.Scharfi said:

Hopefully we will get B26 flyable sometime or even A26B ❤️

If Jason's grandad flew it, no-one can claim there is no passion for making it flyable.

One have to conclude it is rather opposite.  He has to restrain himself and focus on the business part of things.

But I really long for a medium level bomber on allied side. And of course a DO 217 K1 or a JU 188. It is needed.

Great DD. Many thanks

[Avimimus]

I rather hope that the Arado's rear 20mm cannons are going to be optional (or even not available) and that their absence from the 3d model isn't just due to them not being added yet. Honestly, I get the impression from past conversations here that an improvised forward firing gunpod would have been more common in service than the rear firing guns. That said, the game does a really good job with mirrors and periscope technology has already been added for tanks...

 

1 hour ago, LuseKofte said:

But I really long for a medium level bomber on allied side. And of course a DO 217 K1 or a JU 188. It is needed.

 

The Dornier 217K was essentially a rebuild of the Do-217 into a night bomber. I'd personally lean towards a Do-217E: It was in service earlier (useful for more scenarios) and was used for more daylight/anti-shipping operations (with options for heavier forward firepower). It also already has the heavier internal bombload that the Do-217 has (so it has the major benefit that this plane would bring). The only real benefit of a Do-217K over a Do-217E4 is improved forward visibility.

 

The Ju-188 doesn't have a significant increase in bombload - but it has the possibility for superior defensive firepower when compared to the Do-217 or Pe-2. Where the Do-217 had two 13mm turrets the Ju-188 had the option of two 13mm turrets (if the ventral MG-81Z is replaced) and a 20mm turret dorsal turret as well (plus the option for a 20mm forward firing). So it basically adds a 20mm turret to the defensive armament of the Do-217. It also has superb (almost perfect) visibility - perhaps the best out of any wartime aircraft (including the FW-189). So I want it! :D

[Alexmarine]

2 hours ago, Avimimus said:

I rather hope that the Arado's rear 20mm cannons are going to be optional (or even not available) and that their absence from the 3d model isn't just due to them not being added yet. Honestly, I get the impression from past conversations here that an improvised forward firing gunpod would have been more common in service than the rear firing guns. That said, the game does a really good job with mirrors and periscope technology has already been added for tanks...

 

 

The Dornier 217K was essentially a rebuild of the Do-217 into a night bomber. I'd personally lean towards a Do-217E: It was in service earlier (useful for more scenarios) and was used for more daylight/anti-shipping operations (with options for heavier forward firepower). It also already has the heavier internal bombload that the Do-217 has (so it has the major benefit that this plane would bring). The only real benefit of a Do-217K over a Do-217E4 is improved forward visibility.

 

The Ju-188 doesn't have a significant increase in bombload - but it has the possibility for superior defensive firepower when compared to the Do-217 or Pe-2. Where the Do-217 had two 13mm turrets the Ju-188 had the option of two 13mm turrets (if the ventral MG-81Z is replaced) and a 20mm turret dorsal turret as well (plus the option for a 20mm forward firing). So it basically adds a 20mm turret to the defensive armament of the Do-217. It also has superb (almost perfect) visibility - perhaps the best out of any wartime aircraft (including the FW-189). So I want it! :D

 

The K and M definitely replaced the E models by 1944. It doesn't seem many were left around.

 

About the Ju-188 it seems that wasn't able to fully replace the existing Ju-88 fleet with some units even reverting back to it for easier maintainence and larger pool of available spare parts

 

In any case by Normandy unless you flying in a 262 or in an Arado you didn't want to fly in daylight in any bomber still in service

[Avimimus]

20 hours ago, Alexmarine said:

The K and M definitely replaced the E models by 1944. It doesn't seem many were left around.

 

About the Ju-188 it seems that wasn't able to fully replace the existing Ju-88 fleet with some units even reverting back to it for easier maintainence and larger pool of available spare parts

 

In any case by Normandy unless you flying in a 262 or in an Arado you didn't want to fly in daylight in any bomber still in service

 

In August 1944 OKL decides to disband all Do-217 equipped units by October 1944 at the latest.

 

Some examples of units using the Do-217E:

 

II./KG100 Is using Do 217E-5 (and sometimes E-4) until replacement by He-177A5 in May 1944. This is the only unit in the list which persists after the Do-217 (surviving with the He-177 from May to December 1944 before being disbanded).

 

III./KG100 Retains its Do-217E until it ceases after September 1944. Interestingly, this was originally a Do-217K/M unit that received its Do-217E variants in May 1944 (probably to make up for losses).

 

IV./KG100 Retains its Do-217E-5 until it ceases after September 1944. It loses its last Do-217E-4 a month earlier.

 

So these Do-217E are surviving until the end - and it seems they are often coming out of reserves to replace the admittedly briefly more numerous Do-217K and Do-217M variants. Some of these units seem to be operating the variants in similar numbers (a notable exception is III./KG100 - which really is dominated by the K/M for much of its history before briefly receiving the E variant in 1944 prior to being disbanded).

 

The Do-217K units that were disbanded also lost their He 177s as well - So it would seem that the only bomber to significantly outlast the Do-217E is the Ju-88/188 - which, under the OKL plan, would be allowed to dwindle from eight to six units until (theoretically) being replaced with the Ju 388 K-1 1945. I am a bit of a fan of the Ju-188... have you ever flown one with a 3d cockpit? There was one for Fighter Squadron back in the day - I never completely fell out of love with the flying experience.

[Alexmarine]

2 hours ago, Avimimus said:

 

In August 1944 OKL decides to disband all Do-217 equipped units by October 1944 at the latest.

 

Some examples of units using the Do-217E:

 

II./KG100 Is using Do 217E-5 (and sometimes E-4) until replacement by He-177A5 in May 1944. This is the only unit in the list which persists after the Do-217 (surviving with the He-177 from May to December 1944 before being disbanded).

 

III./KG100 Retains its Do-217E until it ceases after September 1944. Interestingly, this was originally a Do-217K/M unit that received its Do-217E variants in May 1944 (probably to make up for losses).

 

IV./KG100 Retains its Do-217E-5 until it ceases after September 1944. It loses its last Do-217E-4 a month earlier.

 

So these Do-217E are surviving until the end - and it seems they are often coming out of reserves to replace the admittedly briefly more numerous Do-217K and Do-217M variants. Some of these units seem to be operating the variants in similar numbers (a notable exception is III./KG100 - which really is dominated by the K/M for much of its history before briefly receiving the E variant in 1944 prior to being disbanded).

 

The Do-217K units that were disbanded also lost their He 177s as well - So it would seem that the only bomber to significantly outlast the Do-217E is the Ju-88/188 - which, under the OKL plan, would be allowed to dwindle from eight to six units until (theoretically) being replaced with the Ju 388 K-1 1945. I am a bit of a fan of the Ju-188... have you ever flown one with a 3d cockpit? There was one for Fighter Squadron back in the day - I never completely fell out of love with the flying experience.

 

Got an idea: Why we don't ask really insistently for one each of a Do-217E, Do-217M/K and Ju-188? Not fair that allies get teased a good time with B-26 and B-25 

Edited July 10, 2021 by Alexmarine

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[Avimimus]

It is kind-of cool how the moderator keeps pulling out these interesting threads ?

 

5 hours ago, Alexmarine said:

Got an idea: Why we don't ask really insistently for one each of a Do-217E, Do-217M/K and Ju-188? Not fair that allies get teased a good time with B-26 and B-25 

 

Tempting. Honestly, the lack of surviving examples might make it quite hard to make any of them flyable... and I really do want a Ju-188 cockpit (regardless of the title of this thread).  But I can't say I'd object to any of them.

 

[gimpy117]

My opinion? Soviets need a medium and the USA need a medium (as well as a later model A-20).

either the B26/B25 or the IL4 (or DB3-F) would do.

 

Germany already has the HE111 and, for parity sake they already have around the same bomb load. the 217 has about the same load as a B-17. while I'll never turn down new toys Germany already has an edge on bombing capability. adding a plane that can carry a max bomb load closer to a heavy bomber would seal club, it just doesn't fit in right now.   

[sevenless]

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Second that.

[Noisemaker]

On 7/18/2021 at 9:24 PM, gimpy117 said:

My opinion? Soviets need a medium and the USA need a medium (as well as a later model A-20).

either the B26/B25 or the IL4 (or DB3-F) would do. 

I'd like to see the Tu-2 for the Soviets.  Then we'd finally have a proper plane for the Velikiye Luki map.

[Lusekofte]

On 7/20/2021 at 2:09 PM, Noisemaker said:

I'd like to see the Tu-2 for the Soviets.  Then we'd finally have a proper plane for the Velikiye Luki map.

I think bomber force need to be a priority. Russian side should have SB 2 . IL4. TU 2

Even that diesel bomber I never remember name off. An Luftwaffe should have DO 17. DO 217. JU 188 

This sim will never be complete without it.

And they should get their asses to PTO

I find DO 217 k to be cool. Not the best option

I say all this because this theme is moved essentially to the bin. Or at least as close you can get. Suggestion section is a place they put it so it can be forgotten

Edited July 21, 2021 by LuseKofte

[migmadmarine]

The Soviet Diesel bomber you're thinking of is the Yer-2, which was not super high production, but I would love to see it one day just since it is a cool novelty. 

[Lusekofte]

 

35 minutes ago, migmadmarine said:

The Soviet Diesel bomber you're thinking of is the Yer-2, which was not super high production, but I would love to see it one day just since it is a cool novelty. 

I would love it to death. Many times I suspect

 

[ScotsmanFlyingscotsman]

Hi,

Have loved Il2 since the beginning and recall that there are Do-17 aircraft in the previous version. As it was an important Axis aircraft at the beginning of the war in the Do-17 version and was upgraded to the DO-217 Version later in the war, used until the very end, could we have one please?

It would fit in almost any map/time IMHO and give us more to shoot at! Flyable would be the Bee's knees but I'm not greedy.

I remember the Airfix model of the 1960's it looked mean, have the 1/48 80's version in my loft, still looks mean. 

So would the dev's please take a look and consider this in future plans. Retiring in a few months due to a health condition, so looking forward to more 'flying' but can't wait forever...if you see what I mean, hope to have many more years yet, but of course will accept if you reject this. Thank you

[Enceladus828]

There was a statement made by Buzzsaw, the lead developer for TFS, in regards to making a flyable Do-17; this may be applicable to making a Do-17 and Do-217 in IL-2 GBs.

 

 

"1) There is only one surviving Do-17, but it was recovered from the seabed and is a corroded mess... see link below:

http://warbirdsnews.com/warbird-restorations/raf-museum-dornier-17-restoration-underway.html

That means, unlike a lot of WWII types, there is not a museum aircraft which can be visited, photographed in detail and measured... it is almost impossible to do correct cockpit, bombardier and gunner station modeling... the pictures from the time are limited and don't show all the details. Yes, there are lots of drawings of the outside dimensions and structure which can be used to create the external model... that has been done, but the interior is a bit of a mystery.

2) The performance data is also limited compared to what is available for many other types".

 

However, if 1CGS is able to make a flyable Do-17 and/or Do-217 for IL-2 GBs in the near future then that would be great. 

 

[Mainstay]

Will we ever see these planes in this sim?

 

Spoiler

 

[AndyJWest]

They don't seem to be as well documented as some of the other Luftwaffe aircraft, and neither is there much in the way of surviving hardware. Still possible though, I suppose. I'd certainly buy either, without hesitation.