410

[Jaws2002]

I understand why they built the Me-410, but in the end it was a pretty big waste of resources. All those DB-603 engines should have gone into FW-190 B/C and they could have had the long nose 190 in service early 1943. That would have made a difference in the west.

They wasted 2000+ DB603's on the 410's, before they realized there are better uses for those valuable engines.

Edited May 5, 2022 by Jaws2002

[BlitzPig_EL]

35 minutes ago, Asgar said:

?They really kept the 3 most interesting planes for last.

On this we agree sir.

[Asgar]

30 minutes ago, Jaws2002 said:

I understand why they built the Me-410, but in the end it was a pretty big waste of resources. All those DB-603 engines should have gone into FW-190 B/C and they could have had the long nose 190 in service early 1943. That would have made a difference in the west.

They wasted 2000+ DB603's on the 410's, before they realized there are better uses for those valuable engines.

I mean, they still build the 603 powered prototypes and i don't think the 410 was the reason they didn't mass produce them, I'm sure there were other issues, otherwise the 410 would've taken a backseat. You might was well say building Do217 with DB 603 was a waste cause Germany could've used those engines to build the DB603 190s, but they didn't.

[Hirachi]

 

 

It such a good looking aircraft.  I wonder would they do the B version later on with the more powerful DB603G engine instead of the A engine

 

 

[Asgar]

40 minutes ago, Hirachi said:

 

 

It such a good looking aircraft.  I wonder would they do the B version later on with the more powerful DB603G engine instead of the A engine

 

 

The B version never used the G engine, read my posts one page back. Development of the 603G was cancelled. the 410 Bs only difference to the A version are the MG 131 in the nose. So with that mod being available, you can fly the 410 B whenever you want in the sim  

Edited May 5, 2022 by Asgar

[Hirachi]

7 hours ago, Asgar said:

The B version never used the G engine, read my posts one page back. Development of the 603G was cancelled. the 410 Bs only difference to the A version are the MG 131 in the nose. So with that mod being available, you can fly the 410 B whenever you want in the sim  

So you saying the forward pair of 7.7mm will be replace with 13mm ?

[Eisenfaustus]

15 minutes ago, Hirachi said:

So you saying the forward pair of 7.7mm will be replace with 13mm ?

Yes - one of the available mods will replace the 7,92mm with 13mm

[Asgar]

What Eisenfaustus said.

After some beggigng asking, Jason actually gave us this this response. So we know exactly what we can or can't do with the 410.
 

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Hello Everyone,

 

Many of you are quite excited about our ME 410 "Hornisse" that will be coming in the not so distant future to Great Battles and have asked what mods it will come with. I spoke to Viks about what we have for it and here is the list. 

 

Standard Armament:

• 2x7.92mm MG17 + 2x20mm - forward firing / + 2x13mm MG131 defensive
• 8x70kg bombs
• 2x250kg bombs
• 1x500kg bombs
• 4x210mm rockets WGr21

Modifications:

• DB603Aa engine mod
• Forward firing MG17s replacement by MG131s
• 2xMG151/20 (WB151) in bomb bay
• 2x30mm MK103 in bomb bay
• 50mm Bk5 in bomb bay
• 4xMG151/20 in bomb bay

I'm looking forward to this plane just as much as you are. 

 

Jason

So you can have the 410 A-1, A-1/U2, A-1/U4, B-1, B-2, B-2/U2, B-2/U4, B-6 and the the ones with 6 MG-151/20. Not sure if those have a U or R number, since i think most of those were different modifications made in the field by the crews. I think we will get some sort of recon mod for a couple different planes since we need recon data for our marshals, right?

edit: just thinking about it, maybe when the Marshall mode drops, they could add the U1 version with a camera for recon mission, with the 603Aa engine being one of the mods, it has better high altitude performance which would be good for recon runs.

Edited May 6, 2022 by Asgar

[Hirachi]

5 hours ago, Asgar said:

What Eisenfaustus said.

After some beggigng asking, Jason actually gave us this this response. So we know exactly what we can or can't do with the 410.
 

So you can have the 410 A-1, A-1/U2, A-1/U4, B-1, B-2, B-2/U2, B-2/U4, B-6 and the the ones with 6 MG-151/20. Not sure if those have a U or R number, since i think most of those were different modifications made in the field by the crews. I think we will get some sort of recon mod for a couple different planes since we need recon data for our marshals, right?

edit: just thinking about it, maybe when the Marshall mode drops, they could add the U1 version with a camera for recon mission, with the 603Aa engine being one of the mods, it has better high altitude performance which would be good for recon runs.

sweet thanks for the post 

[JG27*PapaFly]

Having experienced the 110s in-game as pilot and as opponent, I'm curious how the 410 will handle with various degrees of flaps down. What flaps settings did it have? Many allied pilots who try to flat turn against 110s are in for a nasty surprise.

[Asgar]

22 hours ago, JG27_PapaFly said:

Having experienced the 110s in-game as pilot and as opponent, I'm curious how the 410 will handle with various degrees of flaps down. What flaps settings did it have? Many allied pilots who try to flat turn against 110s are in for a nasty surprise.

I don't know for certain, but seeing other Messerschmitt designs, I'd suspect it will have continously adjustible Flaps, no pre-determined settings. But i think you have to trust more in your speed and hopefully energy retention should be alright, the 410 has a wing load of 266kg/m², the 110 C-4 has 176kg/m², going up to 244kg/² on the G-4 (which is the closest to the G-2 we got. Hard to get exact with all the changes in armor, armament etc. 

The 410 has more engine power, with slightly lesss weight than the 110 G-4 and smaller wing area, but with bigger wing span, which means the aspect ration of the wings is better, thus the wings should create less induced drag. I think boom and zoom should work better in the 410, turning worse, and if you get to fast, you have some air brakes to help you.  

[Yogiflight]

23 hours ago, JG27_PapaFly said:

Having experienced the 110s in-game as pilot and as opponent, I'm curious how the 410 will handle with various degrees of flaps down. What flaps settings did it have? Many allied pilots who try to flat turn against 110s are in for a nasty surprise.

According to the plaque in the cockpit the flaps had to be retracted completely at speeds above 250km/h. But I think in game you have to fly much faster to damage them.

[357th_KW]

2 hours ago, Yogiflight said:

According to the plaque in the cockpit the flaps had to be retracted completely at speeds above 250km/h. But I think in game you have to fly much faster to damage them.

Most planes in the game (except the P-51 and P-38) can completely ignore their flap speed limits, so I wouldn’t be shocked if the 410 was in that category.

[EAF19_Marsh]

I’d forgotten about the 410, how cool is that!

[Hints]

When it should come out?

[Asgar]

On 5/12/2022 at 1:17 PM, EAF19_Marsh said:

I’d forgotten about the 410, how cool is that!

You dare say that on my Birthday! You should

be glad I only saw it now???

[EAF19_Marsh]

5 hours ago, Hints said:

When it should come out?

 

Whenever she's satisfied.

[Feldgrun]

I'm wondering what the Me 410 will do better than anything else. If it's bomb load & frontal firepower, why not the Ju-88 C-6. If you want firepower and bombs but more maneuverability, why not the FW 190 A-8? Maybe the 410 is like a spork, which is neither good at being a spoon or a fork.

[easterling77]

4 hours ago, Feldgrun said:

I'm wondering what the Me 410 will do better than anything else. If it's bomb load & frontal firepower, why not the Ju-88 C-6. If you want firepower and bombs but more maneuverability, why not the FW 190 A-8? Maybe the 410 is like a spork, which is neither good at being a spoon or a fork.

It's al speculation until the release but in terms of frontal firepower:

 

Ju88 C6 : 3x7.92mm + 3x 20mm (one 151/20)

Me 410   : 2x 7.92mm/ 2x 13mm + 2x 20mm / 2x 30mm ore at the top 6x 20mm

 

There it should be quite visible that the 410 will become a strafing monster and the anounced bombload is (only personal feeling) more fitting for me than only 50 KG inside and 250/500 KG outside

 

[Fritz_X]

5 hours ago, Feldgrun said:

I'm wondering what the Me 410 will do better than anything else. If it's bomb load & frontal firepower, why not the Ju-88 C-6. If you want firepower and bombs but more maneuverability, why not the FW 190 A-8? Maybe the 410 is like a spork, which is neither good at being a spoon or a fork.

 

Raw frontal fire power!

 

The two strongest gun configurations against flying targets will be 6x 20 mm + 2x 13mm MGs and 2x 20 mm + 2x 30 mm + 2x 13mm MGs.

 

One could argue that both of these configurarions are unnecessarily overkill, but I'm still looking forward to unleash all these guns at once to shreddify enemy planes in the nth of a splitsecond.

Edited June 4, 2022 by Fritz_X

[Avimimus]

8 hours ago, Feldgrun said:

I'm wondering what the Me 410 will do better than anything else. If it's bomb load & frontal firepower, why not the Ju-88 C-6. If you want firepower and bombs but more maneuverability, why not the FW 190 A-8? Maybe the 410 is like a spork, which is neither good at being a spoon or a fork.

 

I suspect the Me-410 may be less maneuverable in some ways than the Ju-88C-6.

 

However:

- I suspect it will be a reasonably good reconnaissance aircraft (fast in a straight line, has a rear gunner to provide some deterrence against pursuit).

- As a bomber it carries a smaller load but is faster than other twins, and the window in the floor will make it easier to aim than a single-seat fighter bomber.

 

The firepower is excessive... 6x20mm Mg-151 concentrated in the fuselage, or 2x30mm Mk-103 high velocity guns, or 1x50mm cannon firing high explosive rounds... and I'm not sure if it will actually have that much of a purpose. That said, all three weapon combinations should have exceptional effective range - easily outranging defensive gunners.