Any plans for cold war/last gunfighter era?

[Elwood55]

On 3/10/2022 at 5:13 PM, Avimimus said:

A 1948-1955 European scenario would be more balanced - you get the Vampire and Venom for the British. The Russians get the La-15, Mig-17A, Mig-9, and Il-10M. There were also daylight versions of the Canberra and Il-28 bombers, which were basically using WWII avionics and tactics during this period. There are also late British versions of the  Sabre (F-86/Cl-6 Mk.5 and Mk.6) and the option of the Yak-15 for a 1948 Berlin Airlift scenario. Of course, the American F-86, F-84 etc. from the Korean scenario could also be used in Europe.

Yes, many people here mention Korea, but I was more thinking something on Europe.
And I really mean using the current maps, or yes, just add berlin with a wall...
Then is true that Viet and Korea are easy.


 

 

On 3/12/2022 at 6:15 AM, Avimimus said:

I personally prefer pre-1942 air combat because the weak armaments and lower overall weights/wing-loadings tend to lead to much more aerobatic fights.

yes, but this is quite personal, with current IL2 I prefer the Jug to the Spit/109. I also remember good time with Mig15/F-86 on DCS cold war servers.
It's true that early stage of engagment will be really fast and that in general turning radios is wider and so on. But when energy is lost, those low acceleration jets are really challenging (means fun). At the point that a Mig15 is really in trouble if dragged by a Vampire down to Sea Fure/Bearcat.

Also, during the coldwar/vietnam era there are no multirole jets that can do CAP and CAS.
I mean, look the F-105, you are not going to be slow and close to trups on the ground, you need the the A-1 Skyrider!

 

On 3/12/2022 at 11:08 AM, Hetzer-JG51 said:

Fortresses and Liberators make way more sense. ?

Oh man yes, but let's start with let us fly the B-25 =]

 

 

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2 monts ago I read "Wings on My Sleeve"  (Cpt. Erik Brown) ... and man ...  I dream about that latest props and first jets, and I was also thining to reinstall the classic game "il-2 1946" that recentely got a massive expansion: https://www.sas1946.com/main/index.php/board,264.0.html?PHPSESSID=b2c6df6d3ed074274038ff894567e884

 

But there is something missing in a 1946/1955 expantions, not just missile and radars, they need also helicopters!
So maybe better to stay before 1950.... =] or I will fall in love to drop g.i. man with Huey instead of paratroopers on Finnish server hahah =]


 

[Avimimus]

7 hours ago, Elwood55 said:

yes, but this is quite personal, with current IL2 I prefer the Jug to the Spit/109. I also remember good time with Mig15/F-86 on DCS cold war servers.
It's true that early stage of engagment will be really fast and that in general turning radios is wider and so on. But when energy is lost, those low acceleration jets are really challenging (means fun). At the point that a Mig15 is really in trouble if dragged by a Vampire down to Sea Fure/Bearcat.

Also, during the coldwar/vietnam era there are no multirole jets that can do CAP and CAS.
I mean, look the F-105, you are not going to be slow and close to trups on the ground, you need the the A-1 Skyrider!

 

I hear you! These aircraft could engage in turn-fights (even if a lot of engagements were a single pass, followed by the Mig-15 retreating). They are just... I suppose, more challenging... which is something I normally like! I love a Ju-88C-6 or an I-16 or any underdog - but bad stall characteristics combined with high wing-loadings are less pleasurable to experience I suppose ? Might be a personal preference thing.

 

I'd probably prefer some of the non-transonic designs - Vampire and Venom, Mig-9 and Yak-15 be included in a project - just because I like better handling. This is probably a reason why a 1948-1955 European scenario appeals to me more... that and the Il-28 would be kind-of cool. But, honestly, the cool thing about the early jet era is that it'd be a very different experience (much like how WWI is a different experience)... and that definitely applies to all of them.

[Elwood55]

Yes. We are on the same page here, with a strong preference on the Vampire family.

 

 

 

[Elwood55]

On 3/10/2022 at 4:38 PM, Asgar said:

Jason stated reliable data for Japanese planes is hard to come by.

Han stated in the past he would like to make a Korean war game and data for Korean war US and VVS planes should be much easier to come by

Sorry. I miss that, when this happen?

[Pikestance]

On 3/10/2022 at 4:38 PM, Asgar said:

I think Korea is more likely than the PTO at this point. 
Jason stated reliable data for Japanese planes is hard to come by.

Han stated in the past he would like to make a Korean war game and data for Korean war US and VVS planes should be much easier to come by

 

This is misleading. Jason specifically mentioned PTO, but as a possibility for a future new engine. The implication is that they have plenty to develop with WW2. There are still several modules that could be developed and each one takes about two years to develop. Just two more would mean four years of development. This also not to mention Flying Circus as well. 

[Asgar]

1 hour ago, ACG_Pike said:

 

This is misleading. Jason specifically mentioned PTO, but as a possibility for a future new engine. The implication is that they have plenty to develop with WW2. There are still several modules that could be developed and each one takes about two years to develop. Just two more would mean four years of development. This also not to mention Flying Circus as well. 

Where did you get that info? I‘m referring to an interview that was done around the announcement of BoK. I think it was on the Stormbirds blog. And back then there was no mention of a new engine. Simply that they had to evolve the engine to handle that kind of stuff and having water and larger naval units (like the Russian destroyer) where first steps to see how viable Pacific would be.

 

So no, what I wrote isn‘t misleading. It’s representative of what was said. And the statement from Han was simply what I’ve stated an statement of interest. No plans, just a personal interest.

[Elwood55]

3 hours ago, Asgar said:

I‘m referring to an interview that was done around the announcement of BoK.

Maybe this one?

https://stormbirds.blog/2018/11/12/revisiting-the-il-2-series-post-bodenplatte/

[Pikestance]

6 hours ago, Asgar said:

Where did you get that info? I‘m referring to an interview that was done around the announcement of BoK. I think it was on the Stormbirds blog. And back then there was no mention of a new engine. Simply that they had to evolve the engine to handle that kind of stuff and having water and larger naval units (like the Russian destroyer) where first steps to see how viable Pacific would be.

 

So no, what I wrote isn‘t misleading. It’s representative of what was said. And the statement from Han was simply what I’ve stated an statement of interest. No plans, just a personal interest.

 

2 hours ago, Elwood55 said:

Maybe this one?

https://stormbirds.blog/2018/11/12/revisiting-the-il-2-series-post-bodenplatte/

 

Interview I was referring to was post the announcement of Normandy. 

In the interview when specifically asked about PTO he mentioned that it most likely would be using a different engine. given the current engine is still something they can work with, I do not see PTO has a possibility any time soon. Jason mentioned a number of possibilities and they were all WW2. 

 

Your best bet for a Korean campaign is DCS.