Has TC peaked?

[Stahlknecht]

i bought TC yesterday, im so happy to start playing this weekend! ?

[ickylevel]

Go to the Advance and secure server.

Edited October 13, 2022 by ickylevel

[DD_Crash]

The situation with TC reminds me of the way that GBS was before Jason. Very curt answers to questions and a rather stubborn attitude to requests like loosing the "unlocks" for weapons and support for controllers.

[Guest deleted@83466]

On 10/14/2022 at 5:27 AM, DD_Crash said:

The situation with TC reminds me of the way that GBS was before Jason. Very curt answers to questions and a rather stubborn attitude to requests like loosing the "unlocks" for weapons and support for controllers.

 

The situation you speak of doesn’t just apply to TC.  Its very clear that lot of people who don’t even have TC are feeling that way.

[ShampooX]

On 10/13/2022 at 1:27 PM, Stahlknecht said:

i bought TC yesterday, im so happy to start playing this weekend! ?

Welcome Stahl.  AAS is a great combined arms server and so is the Finnish Virtual Pilots server.  Spend a day learning on single player and then get on the pvp servers.  They are the best.

[Voidhunger]

Its a shame we dont have Normandy TC, its my dream.

Even on the current Normandy map with bad looking foliage, its fun when you are surprised by the Churchill and finaly you can take some damage.

In this ocassion lower hull was penetrated and gearing damaged.

Also you can actualy take a damage and not explode. Unfortunately only from the front. Sides still have arcade damage model.

I wish to face 90mm and 17 pounder and to experience some fear.

 

 

[DD_Crash]

They certainly missed a trick by not having a Firefly as a collectors tank. It does seam that they have a very narrow view for what would be good for the game.

[Voidhunger]

It will come only as a part of the normandy pack. I want to see the Tiger AusfB in those details from Ugra media.

Make him as a collector to earm more money, it will be blast.

[MajorMagee]

I'm not inclined to spend money on collector vehicles, other than perhaps the Jagdpanther. Now a TC version of the later Normandie tank battles (Operations Cobra, Spring, and Bluecoat) with 1944 appropriate tanks would do the trick.

 

 

Edited October 16, 2022 by MajorMagee

[DD_Friar]

The devs have clearly stated in one of the live streams that the Russian conflict is what interests them and would concentrate on that and leave the western tanks to western development teams / companies. Which seems a shame to me as someone who would dearly love Tank Crew to be all I would hope it could be.

 

I have even downloaded and purchased DCS Combined Arms with the World War 2 Asset pack to give it a look. It gives me really nice landscape objects and towns,  Sherman, Firefly, Cromwell, Churchill, Panzer III, Iv, Stug, Tiger 1 and 2 plus numerous other support vehicles all drivable but......no interiors, driving the sherman is sitting on the front bumper, no commander view, I can drive and knock down a chain link fence but a privet hedge stops me dead, damage models all a bit suspect, which all goes to show how actually GOOD Tank crew really is.

 

PLEASE PLEASE give it some love....

[Voidhunger]

True is that with another eastern front we can expand list of our vehicles, but not to do normandy now is bad decision imho.

But at least I need some news about whats the plan with the TC.

[No_Face]

1 hour ago, DD_Friar said:

 Which seems a shame to me as someone who would dearly love Tank Crew to be all I would hope it could be.

I completely understand the developers on this point.
Western vehicles are represented all the time, they are right to take us to other theaters of operation, this is how we will discover new things and learn to love them.

Afterwards, as a Frenchman, and especially as a Norman, of course I would like to see a TC Normandie, but first of all, for it to be enjoyable to play, the game should be developed. Why ? because a tank, in my mind, it's 3 characteristics that come immediately to mind :
-An armor
-A cannon
-Crossing / difficult terrain

The armor is there, the guns are there too, but we don't have the crossing side yet, the mud, the possibility to transform a car by driving on it.

We also miss the destruction of elements (brick wall barrier,...)

For Normandy, we need something important in this theater of operation: a beautiful vegetation, with dense hedges that we could cross.

In short, we will probably never see these last points in play. Of course, that wouldn't prevent a Normandy TC, it would just have less charm.

[VBF-12_Stick-95]

Just thinking aloud.  What if they sold a TC pack which contained tanks only, say 9 tanks; 3 German, 3 Russian, 3 US/British?  This would allow them to produce an earlier, mid and late tank within each nationality.  I was thinking there would be no map as there are already enough maps representing many periods where these could be used, along with whatever comes with the next GB. 

 

This might keep TC alive and keep everyone happy.  For me, I wouldn't buy an Eastern Front TC.  I would buy this mix.

[Voidhunger]

I would like to see those heavy battles on the late eastern front with IS2 and 85mm SU/T34, it would be great and more suitable for this engine with the vast landscape with small villages, but to me Normandy is theater where the money is. But maybe im wrong.

[super-truite]

7 minutes ago, VBF-12_Stick-95 said:

Just thinking aloud.  What if they sold a TC pack which contained tanks only, say 9 tanks; 3 German, 3 Russian, 3 US/British?  This would allow them to produce an earlier, mid and late tank within each nationality.  I was thinking there would be no map as there are already enough maps representing many periods where these could be used, along with whatever comes with the next GB. 

 

This might keep TC alive and keep everyone happy.  For me, I wouldn't buy an Eastern Front TC.  I would buy this mix.

I would love that and with some work on the vegetation textures all the maps could look decent from the ground. But since most players seem to play solo, I guess this kind of pack would need at least some SP scenarios included.
But since there is this logic of one module = one theater of operation, I doubt we will see something like that happening though 

[Bonnot]

[ShampooX]

The thing that is really frustrating about TC is that at any given moment on War Thunder there are at least 25 thousand Tankers playing the game (and I am being conservative).  If even 5% of them are unhappy with kill-cams, unrealistic battle ratings that ignore history, 30 second revenge killing, OP planes, helicopters and (now) drones, ballistics that don't work, insanely small maps especially in the modern tank classes, glitched out sounds and servers (I could go on) that's conservatively 1,250 new TC players.  And we know from watching YouTube videos on WT, most of the tanker base there is chronically unhappy; 1,250 is probably more like 5,000.  That's 5,000 WT tank players willing to spend $40-70 on a "premium" WT tanks (they chase a better gaming experience out of sheer frustration).....and most have probably spent far more than that.  I know I did - as have several others here I have chatted with.

 

1C or whoever it is that is in charge of Tank Crew is missing out on a huge opportunity, and if not "huge" then an opportunity to at least quadruple current base of business.

 

And the most ironic thing is they have made the best combined arms PVP tank game available today....and they didn't even mean to do it.  It's servers like FVP and AAS that provide the best and most well rounded tank gaming around.  And the creators of TC have all this happening right under their noses - stuck in a single player mentality.  And so, from what I gather from some of your all's  recent points, nobody at 1C has any real plan to capitalize on this unique moment in time.    Yet I think we all agree -that when FVP has a decent complement of tankers going against each other with good communication and some cooperation with the fliers - there is no better gaming experience to be found.

 

And there is nobody right now in a better position than TC to really take this "lighting in a bottle"  to the next level.   WT and WOT are what they are and will never change.  GHPC might be the one ......if they can develop on line PVP.    I personally don't care if I'm in a Tiger or an Abrams as long as it's immersive and historically realistic and against live players.

 

What will suck is to see, 1-2 years from now, this TC thing slip away - probably not even to be leap frogged by anything any better - while over on WT folks still pay $50 for a premium Jagdpanther, just to play on a 3km square map only to get bombed by 1950 & 60's era jets and tanks in the first five minutes.

Edited October 20, 2022 by ShampooActual

[DD_Friar]

@ShampooActual I wish I could give you more than the UpVote as vote, your post is so where we are at with this sim and it can be so frustrating. I agree 2000% with what you say.

[Guest deleted@83466]

Last weekend, I had the opportunity to play Hell Let Loose with some old friends, who mentored me through the initial stages.  Now, I realize it’s not a “simulation” in the strictest sense, but the level of intensity and immersion, fear, excitement, was insane.  It was visceral.  And those aspects are important for “simulation” as well, regardless of any other technical aspects. I know from past discussion, @ShampooActual, that you don’t think an game engine overhaul would be necessary, but whatever they have going in there is up against Unreal 4.  After the experience I had in HLL, I simply can’t see doing TC.  So yes, I think IL-2 developers would have to overhaul the whole thing to achieve that level.

[Voidhunger]

30 minutes ago, SeaSerpent said:

Last weekend, I had the opportunity to play Hell Let Loose with some old friends, who mentored me through the initial stages.  Now, I realize it’s not a “simulation” in the strictest sense, but the level of intensity and immersion, fear, excitement, was insane.  It was visceral.  And those aspects are important for “simulation” as well, regardless of any other technical aspects. I know from past discussion, @ShampooActual, that you don’t think an game engine overhaul would be necessary, but whatever they have going in there is up against Unreal 4.  After the experience I had in HLL, I simply can’t see doing TC.  So yes, I think IL-2 developers would have to overhaul the whole thing to achieve that level.

I played HLL a year ago and it was fun (only played as a soldier) unfortunatelly squad leaders were not so good and I had problem understand them (bad mic, foreigners, or strong english dialect and my bad english) and I tried to at least follow and help them them but since i almost not communicated with them i was often kicked off. Its a shame i liked it.

Edited October 20, 2022 by Voidhunger

[No_Face]

I don't want to get my hopes up so I won't be disappointed, but I do have the beginnings of an erection. ?

[Frinik22]

On 10/20/2022 at 2:30 PM, ShampooActual said:

1C or whoever it is that is in charge of Tank Crew is missing out on a huge opportunity, and if not "huge" then an opportunity to at least quadruple current base of business.

Careful what you wish for Shampoo. The last thing you want to do is attract the rabble who plays Wt and WoT. This is a simulator , it's always going to be a niche type of game. There are ways to attract more players without going to the way of War Thunder or World of Tank or any similar tosh. One way is make the maps cheaper to buy instead of costing what a full AAA games would cost. Give players an option to buy the maps withotu the aircrafts for thsoe who are not interested in that stuff at a reasonable price. Then mission makers will come and more players will follow. Introduce new models of Tanks/ spgs based on surveys to see which ones are more popular and allow them to be purchased at reasonable prices  no gouging no endless monetizing of everything. But hope springs eternal.....

Edited October 26, 2022 by Frinik22

[ShampooX]

@Frinik22  Very true words!  There really is a nice side to having the best PvP Tank to ourselves.  Everyone is really cool and knows why they are playing.

[ickylevel]

Dirty World of tanks players!! We are so much better than then... We do "simulation". Let's increase the price of the game, 100$ is not enough. Let's also make sure our game is not fun, so they won't be tempted to come. We should ideally be playing only against bots, to be more historically accurate.

12 hours ago, Eeafanas said:

We learned from the official Russian-language IL-2 Telegram channel that we may see the Battle of Normandy for tanks...

https://t.me/il2gb
 

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Translation:

„...Hopefully by Friday I will be able to please you with fresh pictures. For example a «Panther» for the "Battle of Normandy" or a new technology glazing lantern, and maybe from FC2 The channel was created with one goal - to acquaint you with small nuances of the development progress, which can not be gathered in one big post on the forum.“

Actually where is that post ? I couldn't find it.

List of possible tanks if the rumour is true:

https://www.dday-overlord.com/en/material/tanks

Edited October 25, 2022 by ickylevel

[[SN]_Reaper_]

14 часов назад, Eeafanas сказал:

For example a «Panther» for the "Battle of Normandy"

I wouldn't get carried away. 100% it will be an AI

[MajorMagee]

Sadly, that's the most likely interpretation of their response.

[Wardog5711]

Before everyone gets too excited, it is indeed an AI vehicle.

I got this info this morning.

Panther G will replace the old grey Pz IV Gs in the AI tank roaster for the generated missions on Normandy.

 

 

[Wardog5711]

Yeah, I was hoping for a new ride myself.  

I'm kinda fond of tanks. I've built a few for tabletop wargaming over the years. 

 

 

 

[DD_Crash]

I got a bit excited then.

[Guest deleted@83466]

That’s insane, Wardog!

[Frinik22]

On 10/25/2022 at 11:14 PM, Wardog5711 said:

Yeah, I was hoping for a new ride myself.  

I'm kinda fond of tanks. I've built a few for tabletop wargaming over the years. 

 

 

 

Either you love tanks a lot or you have a terribly large  number of kids? At least your wife must be relieved and saying to herself: better he collects tanks than wormen.... 

[Bonnot]

"......but, darling, why your Tanks are all bearing Girls names, it is embarrassing when I clean the shelves  ???  " ....    

[Wardog5711]

My wife chooses not to go in the workshop/gameroom. ?

I've been a model builder for over 50 years and a tabletop and video gamer for 30+ of that.  The hobby came with me when we met, so she knew what she was getting into.

Even when we have a big game going on she may just stick her head in the door and say hi then heads back upstairs.

 

[chrisarmyknife]

I do hope we see another tank crew sooner rather than later, but i wouldn't expect anything for another year or two at least, when was the last time we had news on stug even? Not trying to insult the devs or anything, its just clear planes are the main focus for the devs, tank crew is a side project, i want more but im not holding my breath.

[No_Face]

1 hour ago, chrisarmyknife said:

when was the last time we had news on stug even?

Unless I'm mistaken, the last news we had about Stug III was on July 15. ?

[Guest deleted@83466]

Maybe in a more appropriate thread, you explain your tabletop wargaming up to that level.  I think it would make for an interesting read.

 

Not being facetious, but honestly flabergasted that you have what looks like an entire brigade or more of small vehicles.

[Ghost666]

That large scale is something to see. How big are the tables? I did a lot of tabletop stuff back in 1970 - 80 but used smaller scales. 15mm American civil war and Napoleonic wars. WWII armor where the tanks were about an inch long and WWII naval played on the floor of a 3-car garage. So, I just can't Imagin the table you would need for them big tanks.

 

P.S. looks real COOOOOOOOOOOOL!

[JG27_Steini]

18 hours ago, Wardog5711 said:

Tabletop gaming is just a 3D version of video gaming using models/miniatures.  Some guys go full out with super detailed models, whereas I prefer to use slightly less detailed models made primarily for gaming. They are going to get broken at some point.

I 've been a Battletech player for 25 years and also play X-wing, GF9's Tanks and Tanks modern age.  All use printed movement tables and dice to determine hits and damage. Occasionally, we will do a mix and match game that mixes sci-fi and real world just for fun.

 

1/87 scale M60A1's on the table as they would be in a normal tank on tank game.

In the the second PIC, we added in some larger scale BT mini's to do some combined arms.

The tank stats were created using a BT design program that is going on 20 years old. 

 

 

Some 1/48 scale WWII armor being used with GF9's ruleset for their game Tanks. Super simple to use and games last maybe an hour, so getting a few in on a day of gaming is no issue.

The  manufacturers game mini's are 1/100 (and I have hundreds) but my tired old eyes don't play well with small stuff anymore so we will use 1/72-1/48 depending on the scenario a good bit. Just double the distances for movement etc.

Super simple to use and games last an hour, so getting a few in on a day of gaming is no issue.  

 

 

 

 

 

Finally news for the next TC module. Looks great, new engine?

[Bonnot]

7 hours ago, Ghost666 said:

That large scale is something to see. How big are the tables? I did a lot of tabletop stuff back in 1970 - 80 but used smaller scales. 15mm American civil war and Napoleonic wars. WWII armor where the tanks were about an inch long and WWII naval played on the floor of a 3-car garage. So, I just can't Imagin the table you would need for them big tanks.

 

P.S. looks real COOOOOOOOOOOOL!

WWII was great in 1/300, ...even in ACW one cast "company",

then we tried 1/600 (2mm) : one cast "bataillon" .....One DBA army and scenics within a matchbox !  and the range (IRREGULIAR MIN. ???) included Antics to Modern era.. ?

 

[Voidhunger]

@Wardog5711 you have the EXIT sign also at home? Is that standard for the US? Fire, tornado?