Nvidia users.. driver version and VR performance

[[APAF]VR_Spartan85]

Hey all, VR user

so I’ve many posts about issues with performance since start of year hotfixes.. new cloud update, pre hot fix I set everything to ultra maxed out and IL2 was beautiful running solid like never before, stock… the. The hotfixes took it all away.. specifically the one about fixing airfield shimmering for AMD users…

but what changed that killed performance ?

still haven’t gotten a response from devs about this topic so I guess I’m on my own?

 

Anywho tried  performance mods, reinstall, clean drivers, etc….but nothing works and having to set graphic options too low for visually pleasing gameplay.. everything past around 5 miles is a Shimmery mess… no shadows, and stuttering when I turn while looking at the ground… was never like this before..

 

Not many others make this claim so now I am wondering, what nvidia drivers everyone is using? 
im up to current 511.79.. working great with other games 

has anyone needed to roll back on drivers for performance?  And should I?

 

Best regards!

 

 

 

added some photos taken from my monitor at 1440p while in vr..  you can see how terrain goes from smooth to jaggy outside a radius
its the same whether i use landscape filtering or not

I usually have my Screen res set to minimum but i found actually no performance hit turning it up to take screen shots...
The Horizon draw i set to 70km but for this test i set to max to see if there was a difference in terrain but no joy

 

 

 

 

 

Edit:  for some reason the landscape Blur filtering is not working anymore.....    crazy jaggy landscape past 5 miles absolute ugly... i dont know if its graphic optimization or what?

 

Edited April 3, 2022 by [APAF]VR_Spartan85

[dburne]

I always update my Nvidia drivers with the latest release, have not noticed really any degradation in performance.

[Goffik]

11 minutes ago, [APAF]VR_Spartan85 said:

but what changed that killed performance ?

 

Nothing, as far as I'm aware. Performance increased for me after the new clouds were released, and has stayed that way every since. I've been flying more often now that I can engage in big dogfights in clouds without being reduced to a slideshow.

 

Don't know if it makes any difference, but I'm on 496.76. That's not because I think these drivers are "better" in any way, it's just that I only update when I remember... which isn't that often. I'll probably update today, given that this thread has reminded me. ?

[[APAF]VR_Spartan85]

3 hours ago, Goffik said:

 

Nothing, as far as I'm aware. Performance increased for me after the new clouds were released, and has stayed that way every since. I've been flying more often now that I can engage in big dogfights in clouds without being reduced to a slideshow.

 

Don't know if it makes any difference, but I'm on 496.76. That's not because I think these drivers are "better" in any way, it's just that I only update when I remember... which isn't that often. I'll probably update today, given that this thread has reminded me. ?

Cool, we’ll if you get any change in performance when you update to latest driver, please let us know here

[Chris65]

511.65 for me, everything looks fine to me, maybe it is my older 1660 super card...or my older eyes?

[Rapier07]

What monitor(s) are you using. I recently upgrade mine referb dell s2716dg and my older setup twin nvidia 760 sli still get the job done. Upgrading the monitor with my older eyes really helped spotting/identifying aircraft. Its the main reason I upgraded. I keep my drivers updated. I was thinking a system upgrade in the beginning and then after upgrading the monitor first, no need for the rest right now. I only use the tower and monitor for IL2 for both sturmovik and COD sim 

Forgot, I do use g sync and can engage offline or online with no issues

[[APAF]VR_Spartan85]

2 hours ago, Rapier07 said:

What monitor(s) are you using. I recently upgrade mine referb dell s2716dg and my older setup twin nvidia 760 sli still get the job done. Upgrading the monitor with my older eyes really helped spotting/identifying aircraft. Its the main reason I upgraded. I keep my drivers updated. I was thinking a system upgrade in the beginning and then after upgrading the monitor first, no need for the rest right now. I only use the tower and monitor for IL2 for both sturmovik and COD sim 

Forgot, I do use g sync and can engage offline or online with no issues

hey, sorry i updated my op, Im in VR

 

games in 2d land actually play fairly well

[Riderocket]

dont use msaa, it will kill your fps. also try landscape filter on blurry, this will make the landscape less shimmery.

 

edit: i see you already did the landscape filter thing, nvm

Edited February 28, 2022 by Riderocket

[katdog5]

7 hours ago, Riderocket said:

dont use msaa, it will kill your fps.

 

Really? I thought I read the opposite  (at least for high end cards 3080+)  

 

I too am having these jaggies. Thanks for reporting. I'm going to try     

 

Quick question...are you using FSR mod? 

Edited February 28, 2022 by katdog5

[[APAF]VR_Spartan85]

I was when new clouds were released, then with hot fixes it went to poop.. so I decided to fresh install with no mods to make sure… 

13 hours ago, Riderocket said:

dont use msaa, it will kill your fps. also try landscape filter on blurry, this will make the landscape less shimmery.

 

edit: i see you already did the landscape filter thing, nvm

What should I use if no msaa? Looks horrible with fxaa even on x4… msaa is the only thing that smooths out the jaggies

[Goffik]

19 hours ago, katdog5 said:

Really? I thought I read the opposite  (at least for high end cards 3080+)  

 

MSAA always requires more processing power, not less. You may not notice that on a 3080, but the card will still be working harder than it was with MSAA disabled.

 

As for whether you should use it or not, it's not a definitive yes/no... it's personal preference. If you can use it without bringing performance below an acceptable level, do so. If you can't, turn it off, but be prepared for a lot more jaggies.

Edited March 1, 2022 by Goffik

[Voidhunger]

I have never saw FPS drop below 60 FPS, no matter what graphic setting or gpu driver im using

If you have decent system and you are not playing in 4k or VR.

 

 

...but there is of course the CPU side of the things

[[APAF]VR_Spartan85]

I think now, after a month of tweaking, uninstall/reinstall, drivers, bios, windows updates, nvidia config, in game graphic changes, VR settings, and smashing my head off a wall out of frustration… I may have found the performance I’m comfortable with.. 

 

im having to use hmd reprojection so it goes no higher than 45 fps which is good but at times there will be drops to 40, odd 35s…. But that’s not so common anymore..

 

I just wish I had the pre hotfix performance back.. but I guess I have to settle for this..

 

anywho, thanks for your replies!

[Goffik]

On 3/1/2022 at 3:00 PM, [APAF]VR_Spartan85 said:

I just wish I had the pre hotfix performance back.. but I guess I have to settle for this..

 

I'm still unconvinced that your issue has anything to do with a patch. I did extensive performance testing when the "cloud patch" was released months ago. The result was an average framerate of around 50fps, up from 45ish pre-patch. I updated to the latest nVidia drivers a couple of days ago and did more testing last night (though not as extensive). The result was an average framerate of... 50fps. So performance for me has not changed at all during that time. It doesn't make sense that performance would change for one person but not another if it was down to the game alone.

 

It seems just as likely, even more so, that the issue is something on your end. A changed in-game setting, a changed graphics driver setting, a changed external VR setting, or even a VR driver update that doesn't work as well. I don't know. What I do know is that if there had been a genuine performance drop due to a patch or hotfix, there would likely be a lot more people complaining about it right now.

[[APAF]VR_Spartan85]

I totally agree… it’s gotta be my end. Either win update, gpu driver…. I don’t get it… the only reason I go back to the hotfixes is because that’s when it all started… but only with il2 

[firdimigdi]

21 hours ago, [APAF]VR_Spartan85 said:

I totally agree… it’s gotta be my end. Either win update, gpu driver…. I don’t get it… the only reason I go back to the hotfixes is because that’s when it all started… but only with il2 

 

You've obviously tried the usual culprits some peopl report like disabling Hardware Accelerated Graphics Scheduling, Game Mode, Gamebar overlay etc, right?

[[APAF]VR_Spartan85]

Everything and I also play dcs so….tweaked EVERYTHING… one day it was fine… then hotfixed… then not fine… but I’m managing with what I’ve worked out for now… I’m finding for example turning blurred terrain to ‘off’ and then back to blurry fixed the distant jaggies a bit..

 

perhaps the next update will help.

It may even be a windows update that borked everything so.. meh… 

[[CPT]Crunch]

Is TPM 2.0 not enabled in your BIOS by chance?  I know it really f's win 11 up if its not, currently MS won't allow an install anymore if it's not enabled.  I had it switched off with an original early Sept version of Win 11, and the hotfix put IL-2 down, attempted to update win 11 but it refused all efforts.  It was on a clean new win 11 install where it refused to, with a notice it needed TPM turned on, might be something to look at.

[[APAF]VR_Spartan85]

Using windows 10 still

[newbravado]

I always watch the test videos when new Nvidia drivers are released. And more than just one video.

I've updated to 511.23. 

Since then, the newer drivers would cause a slight increase in CPU or GPU temp and not offer any increase in FPS.

And when they did increase FPS, a few frames, temp would increase, or visa-versa, with temps decreasing along with FPS.

Never any clear motivation to update.

 

Seems to me that Nvidia will release drivers that address fixes for certain games but have no effect on IL2 except to increase

GPU/CPU temperature.

Currently the latest driver is 516.59. 

I would love to see a test between 511.23 and 516.59 

I really doubt that there would be any noticeable difference, but I could be wrong since so much time has passed between these drivers.