VR BETA now available on STEAM for registered testers

[343KKT_Kintaro]

1 minute ago, bonzomcdrumcat said:

I have had blitz for a few months now and I have over 40 hours.

 

 

Then how is that you cannot install your "Desert Wings - Tobruk" game? Sure you are making some mistake, if not there's not reason you don't manage to install your DLC.  Please have a look at you Steam account area for activating DLCs.

 

 

1 minute ago, bonzomcdrumcat said:

All I want is the opportunity to come home and pretend to be Micheal Caine for a few hours ?

 

 

I'm awfully sorry Drumcat, but this is impossible, only Madness are Michael Caine:

 

 

[bonzomcdrumcat]

16 minutes ago, 343KKT_Kintaro said:

 

 

Then how is that you cannot install your "Desert Wings - Tobruk" game? Sure you are making some mistake, if not there's not reason you don't manage to install your DLC.  Please have a look at you Steam account area for activating DLC's

I have installed it, and I tried a couple of mission. The point is, I bought it with the expectation that it would grant me access to the VR Beta, but I am now seeing people saying that even though they have a headset and the DLC, they are not being allowed access to the Beta, so I am worried that I bought something I didn't really want without any of the perks

[No.54_Reddog]

6 minutes ago, bonzomcdrumcat said:

I have installed it, and I tried a couple of mission. The point is, I bought it with the expectation that it would grant me access to the VR Beta, but I am now seeing people saying that even though they have a headset and the DLC, they are not being allowed access to the Beta, so I am worried that I bought something I didn't really want without any of the perks

 

Sorry that you've bought the DLC on the expectation that it would grant access to the VR Beta, that's a bit naive if I'm honest. There have been people waiting for a response for testing access for months, simply owning the DLC doesn't magically mean you meet the threshold and will automatically gain access. If I were you, I'd take Kintaro up on his offer of refunding you the money, and wait a few more months until it's inevitably on sale again and VR is released. The VR patch will be free (and also apply solely to the Blitz game you already own) when it finally comes so there's no need to pay over the odds for the DLC unless you desperately want to own it right now.

[343KKT_Kintaro]

1 hour ago, bonzomcdrumcat said:

so if I can't use it, then I've basically spent £40 on something I didn't really want and still have to wait for the VR update to release

 

 

This is why I thought you cannot install it. In fact you can use it.

 

 

1 hour ago, bonzomcdrumcat said:

I've basically spent £40 on something I didn't really want and still have to wait for the VR update to release

 

 

I hope someday you'll see how great this simulator is. With or without VR implemented, really.

 

 

4 minutes ago, bonzomcdrumcat said:

I have installed it, and I tried a couple of mission. The point is, I bought it with the expectation that it would grant me access to the VR Beta, but I am now seeing people saying that even though they have a headset and the DLC, they are not being allowed access to the Beta, so I am worried that I bought something I didn't really want without any of the perks

 

 

Ok, let's wait two weeks then.

 

1) Two weeks pass and Buzzsaw does not answer: I buy your two products, Blittz and Tobruk.

 

2) Less than two weeks pass but Buzzsaw tells you it's over, you won't be a beta tester: I buy your two products, Blitz and Tobruk.

 

Deal?

 

 

[bonzomcdrumcat]

18 minutes ago, No.54_Reddog said:

 

Sorry that you've bought the DLC on the expectation that it would grant access to the VR Beta, that's a bit naive if I'm honest. There have been people waiting for a response for testing access for months, simply owning the DLC doesn't magically mean you meet the threshold and will automatically gain access. If I were you, I'd take Kintaro up on his offer of refunding you the money, and wait a few more months until it's inevitably on sale again and VR is released. The VR patch will be free (and also apply solely to the Blitz game you already own) when it finally comes so there's no need to pay over the odds for the DLC unless you desperately want to own it right now.

I guess. It didn't seem naive though, there was no announcement about the beta not accepting new members anymore, and the price of the DLC went up by a fiver a short while ago so I thought it might be compensating for the early beta access? Buzzsaw says you need a headset and the DLC to be eligible, and I have both. I haven't seen anyone else talking about being denied until about 12 hours ago. I've been playing Great Battles in VR, which means that blitz feels weird to play because I love the Battle of Britain, but playing flatscreen removes so much immersion, as well as it being harder to aim with no depth perception. I think your suggestion of taking the refund is a good idea, I'll just wait a little bit on the offchance the buzzsaw does come back

Edited January 28, 2023 by bonzomcdrumcat

[343KKT_Kintaro]

3 minutes ago, bonzomcdrumcat said:

blitz feels weird to play

 

 

Do you have at least a TrackIR or an equivalent device?

 

And, remember:

 

1) Two weeks pass and Buzzsaw does not answer: I buy your two products, Blittz and Tobruk.

 

2) Less than two weeks pass but Buzzsaw tells you it's over, you won't be a beta tester: I buy your two products, Blitz and Tobruk.

 

Deal?

 

 

[bonzomcdrumcat]

19 minutes ago, 343KKT_Kintaro said:

 

 

This is why I thought you cannot install it. In fact you can use it.

 

 

 

 

I hope someday you'll see how great this simulator is. With or without VR implemented, really.

 

 

 

 

Ok, let's wait two weeks then.

 

1) Two weeks pass and Buzzsaw does not answer: I buy your two products, Blittz and Tobruk.

 

2) Less than two weeks pass but Buzzsaw tells you it's over, you won't be a beta tester: I buy your two products, Blitz and Tobruk.

 

Deal?

 

 

Mate mate mate I wasn't saying anything bad about the simulator, it's my favourite by far, when I said I didn't really want it, I meant that I bought the DLC specifically because I was under the impression that I could join the vr beta, so without getting access to it, I bought a dlc that adds content I'm not too fussed about. I'm not talking about refunding blitz, I love this game to pieces, I was just a bit miffed that people were paying an extra £40 and not getting access to the vr beta like they were told they would

1 minute ago, 343KKT_Kintaro said:

 

 

Do you have at least a TrackIR or an equivalent device?

 

And, remember:

 

1) Two weeks pass and Buzzsaw does not answer: I buy your two products, Blittz and Tobruk.

 

2) Less than two weeks pass but Buzzsaw tells you it's over, you won't be a beta tester: I buy your two products, Blitz and Tobruk.

 

Deal?

 

 

You don't need to refund Blitz, the base game is fabulous on it's own, it's just the DLC because I thought you get the vr beta access

Edited January 28, 2023 by bonzomcdrumcat

[simfan2015]

I too have been waiting for so long, first to be able to get Tobruk DLC, now hopefully VR... Some fine day so I hope it was all worth the wait! 

Also still waiting to get access to the VR Beta version. 

Buzzsaw may be too busy I guess. 

[343KKT_Kintaro]

Enough said

5 minutes ago, bonzomcdrumcat said:

Mate mate mate I wasn't saying anything bad about the simulator, it's my favourite by far

 

 

Enough said, I'll refund your "Desert Wings - Tobruk" game so that you keep it for ever. You'll spend your birthday money on something different, that's all.

 

My computer is broken now. My only request after this refund is that as soon as I'm back to the game we spend some flying together over Northern Africa in "Desert Wings - Tobruk", talking on coms like TeamSpeak or Discord. My oral English is bit rusty and needs some practice.

 

Happy birthday Drumcat.

 

PS: do you have a TrackIR or equivalent?

 

 

[bonzomcdrumcat]

13 minutes ago, 343KKT_Kintaro said:

Enough said

 

 

Enough said, I'll refund your "Desert Wings - Tobruk" game so that you keep it for ever. You'll spend your birthday money on something different, that's all.

 

My computer is broken now. My only request after this refund is that as soon as I'm back to the game we spend some flying together over Northern Africa in "Desert Wings - Tobruk", talking on coms like TeamSpeak or Discord. My oral English is bit rusty and needs some practice.

 

Happy birthday Drumcat.

 

PS: do you have a TrackIR or equivalent?

 

 

Sounds like a plan dude. I do have a vocal condition though, so I can only whisper unless I shout lol. I dont have track ir, I use the hat switch on my flight stick to look around, and I have a button that means I can lock my view on an aircraft. I'll be on tomorrow at about 13:00 GMT onward I should imagine. See you then!

[343KKT_Kintaro]

2 minutes ago, bonzomcdrumcat said:

I do have a vocal condition though, so I can only whisper unless I shout lol.

 

 

You'll do your best, no worries.

 

 

2 minutes ago, bonzomcdrumcat said:

I dont have track ir

 

 

That would be cool if you got one TrackIR. Not all games are VR compatible, not yet. Some day maybe.

 

 

2 minutes ago, bonzomcdrumcat said:

I use the hat switch on my flight stick to look around

 

 

Do you know JoyToKey? If you don't use it you'll love it when you'll install it and use it with your POV hat:

 

 

 

2 minutes ago, bonzomcdrumcat said:

and I have a button that means I can lock my view on an aircraft

 

 

This is bad. This is evil. This is not full realism. This is not how real pilots do it in the most realistic combat situations. I'll spare your very life for the moment, but I hope you'll go to full realism very soon.

 

Pst pst: I was joking... we'll see how you do when you're in a full realism game, but we'll fly as you want if your prefer this kind of... let's say, this kind of "cheating".

 

 

2 minutes ago, bonzomcdrumcat said:

I'll be on tomorrow at about 13:00 GMT onward I should imagine. See you then!

 

 

I guess you are in the UK... correct?

 

By the way? What coms? TeamSpeak, Discord? What channel? Please be more specific...

 

 

[bonzomcdrumcat]

36 minutes ago, 343KKT_Kintaro said:

 

1. This is bad. This is evil. This is not full realism. This is not how real pilots do it in the most realistic combat situations. I'll spare your very life for the moment, but I hope      you'll go to full realism very soon.

 

 

 

 

 

2. I guess you are in the UK... correct?

 

    By the way? What coms? TeamSpeak, Discord? What channel? Please be more specific...

 

 

1. I hate doing this too, but I have to do it because the only way I can look around is doing snap view with the hat switch. This is why I'm so desperate to get it in vr

 

2. I can use either, but I've only ever used teamspeak a handful of times for arma and i have no idea how it works

[343KKT_Kintaro]

7 hours ago, bonzomcdrumcat said:

1. I hate doing this too, but I have to do it because the only way I can look around is doing snap view with the hat switch. This is why I'm so desperate to get it in vr

 

2. I can use either, but I've only ever used teamspeak a handful of times for arma and i have no idea how it works

 

 

I just sent you one private message. Let's let the thread goes back on topic.

 

 

[rocho]

On 1/28/2023 at 10:26 PM, 343KKT_Kintaro said:

Oh my god... last minute complaints after two years of beta testing... the winter sales 50% off... are finished now, and maybe no sales until next Summer... so... why didn't you guys did what had to be done when it had to be done?

 

 

Buzzsaw said that we should send him a message on November 19 asking for access to VR beta, I did that and I have received no answer yet.

[343KKT_Kintaro]

Let's hope Buzzsaw responds soon then...

 

 

[the_finkinator69]

8 hours ago, rocho said:

Buzzsaw said that we should send him a message on November 19 asking for access to VR beta, I did that and I have received no answer yet.

Its not an open beta. Nowhere was anyone promised access. I too messaged buzzsaw and got no response. I’m waiting for either his response or the release, but either way I’ll get to play it. 
 

You can’t play it because its not out yet. Thats really the basic facts of the matter. Anything else is you asking for more. 

[Buzzsaw]

Hello to all those who want access to the VR Beta.

 

At the moment there is nothing new to test in the Beta... all of the work is being done internally.

 

In addition, I and a lot of the guys at TF are really busy with an organizational and business matter which is crucial to the future of TF.

 

As soon as we have time and there are elements in the Beta to be tested, I will put up a posting requesting volunteers.

 

Those who have bought the TOBRUK DLC in hopes they will get access... you will... please have patience.

 

When we do open it, there will also be a special surprise, which is not present in the current version, which should get people's interest.   ?

[Patricks]

Hope it's a new UI, to me that's the one thing I can say I dislike, but tolerate, in CLoD..

 

Edited February 15, 2023 by Patricks

[Dagwoodyt]

On 11/2/2022 at 10:40 PM, Buzzsaw said:

Hello Guys

 

All those who messaged me, I am sorry to not have had time to respond.

 

I will be very busy until Nov. 19th... if you want to join the Beta, send me another PM then.

 

Thanks to everyone for their patience.  ?

Sounds familiar. So the "private" beta survives into another year in less than "two weeks". What of Speedtree 9.0?

[Jeroen83]

On 2/15/2023 at 6:28 AM, Buzzsaw said:

Hello to all those who want access to the VR Beta.

 

At the moment there is nothing new to test in the Beta... all of the work is being done internally.

 

In addition, I and a lot of the guys at TF are really busy with an organizational and business matter which is crucial to the future of TF.

 

As soon as we have time and there are elements in the Beta to be tested, I will put up a posting requesting volunteers.

 

Those who have bought the TOBRUK DLC in hopes they will get access... you will... please have patience.

 

When we do open it, there will also be a special surprise, which is not present in the current version, which should get people's interest.   ?

I do sympathize with the TF team and you, Buzzsaw and appreciate all the effort you are putting into this game. However, from a commercial point of view (and since the commercialization of Tobruk there truly is no mod anymore), this sim is everywhere. You can’t go semi-promising things on forums that you come back to later. When it concerns a mod: yes. Commercial product: no. You guys should have gone the patreon route this way … my 2 cents…

[SIA_Target]

Will we have to send another request with a picture of our headsets?

 

[Dagwoodyt]

On 2/14/2023 at 9:28 PM, Buzzsaw said:

Those who have bought the TOBRUK DLC in hopes they will get access... you will... please have patience.

 

When we do open it, there will also be a special surprise, which is not present in the current version, which should get people's interest.

So everyone with a VR headset who bought DW-T after the "Visual Update" announcement or will now buy Blitz and DW-T can volunteer and get in line for private beta participation. If and when selected they will get to enjoy an exclusive private beta "special surprise" and any future "surprise(s)" that might be introduced. Just might take a while to get a response as the Team is very busy. Great news. Thanks!

 

Edited February 19, 2023 by Dagwoodyt

[No.54_Reddog]

On 1/28/2023 at 10:11 PM, 343KKT_Kintaro said:

 

 

Two weeks then... and if Buzzsaw responds, and tells you that the registration period is over, I'll buy your "Desert Wings - Tobruk" add-on. But, again, think about it. The game presents advantages and disadvantages: if you like single-player only, this game is not really made for you. If you prefer multiplayer, then this is an excellent simulator for you.

 

One important question: did you purchase first the basic game, "Cliffs of Dover - Blitz"? Because you need to be a happy owner of "Cliffs of Dover - Blitz" if you want to install the add-on "Desert Wings - Tobruk". Did you know that?

 

 

 

 

So Kintaro, did you make the refund you offered ? Seems like the time period specified has come and gone no?

[343KKT_Kintaro]

32 minutes ago, No.54_Reddog said:

 

 

So Kintaro, did you make the refund you offered ? Seems like the time period specified has come and gone no?

 

 

Why do you ask me that? Ask the guy Reddog... If he speaks the truth, he'll tell you...

 

By the way, do you appreciate a nice glass of good cognac from time to time?

 

 

[Patricks]

8 hours ago, 343KKT_Kintaro said:

 

 

Why do you ask me that? Ask the guy Reddog... If he speaks the truth, he'll tell you...

By the way, do you appreciate a nice glass of good cognac from time to time?

 

I do! If you would like to send a bottle of King Louis over I will send my address! ?

 

Edited February 28, 2023 by Patricks

[bonzomcdrumcat]

On 2/27/2023 at 9:11 PM, No.54_Reddog said:

 

 

So Kintaro, did you make the refund you offered ? Seems like the time period specified has come and gone no?

Yeah he did, most kind of him!

[Sokol1]

Quote

 February 25, 2022

 

This VR Beta thing recently had a birthday. ?

[Dagwoodyt]

Maybe someone is on a celebration cruise LOA  ?

[Buzzsaw]

On 3/5/2023 at 1:13 PM, Sokol1 said:

 

This VR Beta thing recently had a birthday. ?

Yes, and we continue to make excellent progress in the implementation of all the elements which are a part of the Beta.

 

Those include, not just the VR Implementation, but also the implementation of trueSKY, Speedtree 8/9, 4k terrain graphics, 4k aircraft graphics, extended player distance view of objects, (up to 10 times the existing view distance in current release) etc.

 

These improvements will be released as a complete package... we will not release them separately... which is why it is taking some time.

 

As I have said previously... these chances will result in a completely new look for the game... a revolution in its appearance.

[Dagwoodyt]

two month mark

[Patricks]

It will come when it comes... plenty to play until then.

Edited March 12, 2023 by Patricks

[No.54_Reddog]

8 hours ago, Buzzsaw said:

Yes, and we continue to make excellent progress in the implementation of all the elements which are a part of the Beta.

 

Those include, not just the VR Implementation, but also the implementation of trueSKY, Speedtree 8/9, 4k terrain graphics, 4k aircraft graphics, extended player distance view of objects, (up to 10 times the existing view distance in current release) etc.

 

These improvements will be released as a complete package... we will not release them separately... which is why it is taking some time.

 

As I have said previously... these chances will result in a completely new look for the game... a revolution in its appearance.

 

I think by now we know you won't back down or change the approach, it's all or nothing. But is anything actually ready to release anyway? 

VR - nope

True sky- ?

Speedtree - nope

4k graphics - maybe ( these might have been ready quite some time?)

Extended player view distance - ?

 

Saying that releasing it all together is what's taking time is somewhat disingenuous. Clearly what is taking time is your inability to actually do what you've promised. It's a capability problem, not a volume problem. 

[Patricks]

FALSE ALARM, sorry! Just got an alert of new beta on Steam!

 

Edited March 12, 2023 by Patricks

[Gunfreak]

37 minutes ago, Patricks said:

Just got an alert of new beta on Steam!

 

I haven't seen anything 

[Patricks]

Just now, Gunfreak said:

I haven't seen anything 

 

That's because i'm an idiot and got an email alert of THIS thread and mistook it for a Steam alert!  

[Mysticpuma]

Just a few comments from Facebook:

 

"Yeah, well they've made a huge mistake not making each update available as pretty much nobody cares anymore…over 12 months of beta testing is a joke…I joined the beta testing and was real excited for the first 3 months or so, then I got bored with waiting and went back to DCS and GB mainly because there was nowhere on line that you could fly with the VR beta despite numerous requests to make one of the servers useable for beta testers. ATAG mob are just a bunch of arrogant f~@%$ and TF are much the same…they've missed their chance now and for no good reason…show's over…its now like the SIMHQ EAW forum where there is about 10 people left in the world still interested, but they still cling on for dear life praying that the hordes will come back…they won't…fini…Next!"

 

"VR, it's buggy, but OK…but if I can't fly online I'm not interested….I believe wholeheartedly that in this situation, lack of numbers, they should have been releasing the betas to the public to at least keep people interested…but they've shown no interest whatsoever in the end user…I'm afraid CLOD is dead alas and there is no coming back now"

"Last update was that Pimax VR was broken and that they were working with the developer to fix, and a release would be soon. But that was some time ago. All these other updates have been tacked on, so I can't see it happening this year. In Oct 2018 Buzzsaw said that an August 2019 predicted release date was "wildly pessimistic".. 4+ years later, still waiting for VR. Yet another waste of money in this doomed COD franchise."

 

 

Buzzsaw:

"which is why it is taking some time."

 

I think it's fair to say EVERYONE here is aware of that, yet even now as player numbers fall off a cliff you cannot provide any roadmap for the future of CloD? Not even a planned (or 'hoped' for) release date? 

 

9 hours ago, Dagwoodyt said:

two month mark

 

Perfect summary. Should have read 'months' later.

 

Buzzsaw your reply is useless. Once again, just words with no substance. Maybe, just once, you will look at all the questions being asked and give a comprehensive update, that actual gives players any hope something, someday, will be released.

 

I posted a thread last October, asking anyone still visiting these forums to reply. This gives an idea of just how many players still visit and read this forum.

There were 88 unique replies of "still here". You commented "not everyone reads these forums", exactly! This gives an overview of the interest shown by visitors here, visitors looking for news which they can share with their friends and other players. I noted there wan't one reply from a player with the ATAG prefix, likely because they only read the ATAG forum. What that doesn't take into account is players searching for CloD, will find a link to 1C and visit that forum.

You mention there are currently 250 registered beta testers, that's great, but reading the feedback from them, it's clear they are now feeling disenfranchised and rejected due to once again the apathy shown by the team.

 

There is only so long you can dangle the bait before the fish swim away and find a proper feeding ground.

[No.54_Reddog]

17 minutes ago, Mysticpuma said:

 

You mention there are currently 250 registered beta testers, that's great, but reading the feedback from them, it's clear they are now feeling disenfranchised and rejected due to once again the apathy shown by the team.

 

 

There may be 250 registered beta testers, but they're sure as heck not actively testing anything looking at the steam charts for activity. I know from first hand conversation with some of them that the latest beta doesn't work well, is unstable and has issues beyond what's been publicly acknowledged. I can't blame them for not playing it anymore, especially when feedback was given and rejected because of spurious reasons, or "we know that already, that aircraft isn't ready for testing!" which wasn't made clear to the volunteers.

[Patricks]

22 hours ago, No.54_Reddog said:

 

There may be 250 registered beta testers, but they're sure as heck not actively testing anything looking at the steam charts for activity. I know from first hand conversation with some of them that the latest beta doesn't work well, is unstable and has issues beyond what's been publicly acknowledged. I can't blame them for not playing it anymore, especially when feedback was given and rejected because of spurious reasons, or "we know that already, that aircraft isn't ready for testing!" which wasn't made clear to the volunteers.

 

I simply fly IL-2 (or DCS a tiny bit) in VR, in 2D I find CLoD single player better, but thats it...

Edited March 13, 2023 by Patricks

[kissTheSky]

I had forgotten how long it has been and had to log back in the store and check. I had “bought” DWT back in Nov 21 to support the team in their quest to get VR implemented, and had never installed it. Doesn’t look like it will (along with blitz)* get installed at all.

 

* I purchased the original dvd edition of CLOD, installed it on the old computer which wasn’t enough to run it, so never even played CLOD, ever ?. 

[SIA_Target]

The news that they would open up Beta for VR has been announced, what, twice (IRC) and then silence. It's called stringing the consumer along. I wouldn't have had anything to say at this point if not for the fact my question regarding the latest announcement of up opening  VR testing to all who own VR went unanswered, (ignored perhaps?).

 

 Let us face facts, this franchise is going the way of Silicon Valley bank. All that's needed is for the fat cats to be paid off.