VR BETA now available on STEAM for registered testers

[Buzzsaw]

All the visual enhancements, including those listed above as well as the VR implementation, will be released as part of the Visual Update patch... which will be free to all users.

 

We will not be releasing these individual upgrades as individual patches as they are completed.  They will be released together.

 

We want to have the maximum impact when this patch is released... because essentially it will be a complete visual upgrade of the game.

[Mysticpuma]

17 hours ago, Buzzsaw said:

All the visual enhancements, including those listed above as well as the VR implementation, will be released as part of the Visual Update patch... which will be free to all users.

 

We will not be releasing these individual upgrades as individual patches as they are completed.  They will be released together.

 

We want to have the maximum impact when this patch is released... because essentially it will be a complete visual upgrade of the game.

Is it still on track for the end of Summer Buzzsaw? 

[Buzzsaw]

4 hours ago, Mysticpuma said:

Is it still on track for the end of Summer Buzzsaw? 

That is what we are aiming for.

 

No guarantees.

[oof_]

What about the public beta?

[Dagwoodyt]

4 hours ago, oof_ said:

What about the public beta?

Don't count on an open/public beta.

[Buzzsaw]

On 5/18/2022 at 6:22 AM, Dagwoodyt said:

Don't count on an open/public beta.

Why not?  What do you know about it?

 

Please stop with the continued negative slant comments which add nothing.

[Buzzsaw]

On 5/18/2022 at 1:47 AM, oof_ said:

What about the public beta?

We offered all players the opportunity to join the private VR Beta... those who expressed interest and met the requirements of having a VR headset now have access.

 

We may follow up with a public beta later for the entire Visual Update... or we may release it immediately that the VR testers give a thumbs up and we are happy.

[Dagwoodyt]

How would I now apologize for suggesting that the open/pulblic beta might be optional?

[Buzzsaw]

33 minutes ago, Dagwoodyt said:

How would I now apologize for suggesting that the open/pulblic beta might be optional?

You were not suggesting the open/public beta might be optional, you were suggesting it was unlikely it would ever happen... without any basis for that opinion.

 

We are working as hard as we can within our limited resources to provide players with the optimal product.

 

We provided access to anyone who wanted to get into the VR Beta... why would we not provide access to anyone who wanted in to a Public Beta?... if that is necessary.  I.e. no point in having a Public Beta if the Update can be released immediately instead of going through another Beta.

[Dagwoodyt]

40 minutes ago, Buzzsaw said:

You were not suggesting the open/public beta might be optional, you were suggesting it was unlikely it would ever happen... without any basis for that opinion.

 

We are working as hard as we can within our limited resources to provide players with the optimal product.

 

We provided access to anyone who wanted to get into the VR Beta... why would we not provide access to anyone who wanted in to a Public Beta?... if that is necessary.  I.e. no point in having a Public Beta if the Update can be released immediately instead of going through another Beta.

I understand your negative interpretation of what I actually wrote. Thanks

[=WoVi=cercataa]

On 5/16/2022 at 11:59 PM, Buzzsaw said:

We want to have the maximum impact when this patch is released... because essentially it will be a complete visual upgrade of the game.

 

What about some telemetry, for having motion rigs and vibration seats/vests working again, so you can have the full immersive flight sensation ?

[ZiggyZiggyStar]

Yes, this would be very welcomed at release. VR and telemetry for bass shakers/ jet pad etc take the experience to the next level. 

[No.54_Reddog]

On 5/16/2022 at 10:59 PM, Buzzsaw said:

 

We want to have the maximum impact when this patch is released... because essentially it will be a complete visual upgrade of the game.

 

Do you think at some point it might be worth actually sharing what TrueSky has brought to CLOD through the medium of pictures or maybe even video beyond the like 2 images we have seen? I imagine it might help publicise your product. Especially if your plan is still to release in summer. 

[Mysticpuma]

1 hour ago, No.54_Reddog said:

 

Do you think at some point it might be worth actually sharing what TrueSky has brought to CLOD through the medium of pictures or maybe even video beyond the like 2 images we have seen? I imagine it might help publicise your product. Especially if your plan is still to release in summer. 

Publicity isn't something TFS are interested in. 

They will let us know when we are worthy of knowing and not before. 

 

Remember, you will hear many rebuke your request as impatient and they are happy to wait. 

 

What more can we do. Just wait and wait and wait and eventually maybe something will be shared....maybe ?

 

Oh and not forgetting the Mid-may announcement of TF6..... 

[BladeMeister]

After months away it's the same old two people with the same old off the cuff vaguely shrouded underlying insults and opinionated non factual posts to mock TFS for not acting according to their expectations. You two should both be ashamed of how you both have humiliated yourselves over the years with all of the "subtle" shit stirring you have done and continue to do. It makes me laugh out loud, especially since one of you was a former TF member. And to think, you both actually believe your helping rally the community to light a fire under TFS's ass in some constructive way to guilt them into giving more updates on what is happening or hurry up their work on the next installment to CLOD so that it won't be forgotten by all of the potential flight simmers out there. LMAO!!!  Judging by what I have read and seen, it's not working guys, LOL.  I seem to remember that TFS updates have always been few and far between, but their track record is 100% on their production work dealing with CLOD. Like a fine wine, when it is ready they release it.

Keep up the Good work Buzzsaw and TFS!

 

S!Blade<><

Edited June 5, 2022 by BladeMeister

[Mysticpuma]

45 minutes ago, BladeMeister said:

After months away it's the same old two people with the same old off the cuff vaguely shrouded underlying insults and opinionated non factual posts to mock TFS for not acting according to their expectations. You two should both be ashamed of how you both have humiliated yourselves over the years with all of the "subtle" shit stirring you have done and continue to do. It makes me laugh out loud, especially since one of you was a former TF member. And to think, you both actually believe your helping rally the community to light a fire under TFS's ass in some constructive way to guilt them into giving more updates on what is happening or hurry up their work on the next installment to CLOD so that it won't be forgotten by all of the potential flight simmers out there. LMAO!!!  Judging by what I have read and seen, it's not working guys, LOL.  I seem to remember that TFS updates have always been few and far between, but their track record is 100% on their production work dealing with CLOD. Like a fine wine, when it is ready they release it.

Keep up the Good work Buzzsaw and TFS!

 

S!Blade<><

Not ashamed at all.... it's nice to see some activity on the forums. 

Blade, I think it's fair to say, You, Kintaro, Reddog, Dagwoodyt and me are the 5 players left who will be here to see it released. 

 

Blade, TFS updates weren't always few and far between, but yes, since I 'left' they have been. 

 

Not sure what the forums are for if not to ask questions? Questions like "is there anything that can be shared by the team to showcase Truesky after years of development other than a Pea soup?" 

 

I'd simply say that due to the lack of engagement from TFS, most of the once vast community don't even know it is probably still being developed? They certainly have no clue TF6 was due to be announced in mid-May unlike those committed stalwarts who fester around these forums waiting to considered worthy of a morsel thrown from the table of TFS. 

 

No we don't have a right to demand or expect anything but come on, for once be serious, if you expect the skies to once more be filled with players, whether VR or TrackIR, then a publisher should at least try and engage with their prospective clients? One picture of a Wellington bomber low on the deck in murky co ditions does not say to me huge vast all enveloping skies. 

Anyone can grab a screenshot these days, especially of WiP. It is simple! 

 

Yet it seems beyond the realm of possibility that anyone In TFS can do this. Oh and if we here, "well if there is nothing to share then why grab a screenshot?" 

To which I would answer would that not be of even greater concern? Years of development in Truesky and all they are able to share is a low level grey/murky atmosphere? 

 

Like I said, all we can do is wait but please don't expect me to not ask questions of comments and commitments made? 

 

 

[LLv34_Flanker]

S! 

 

Be damned if not sharing any news and more so if sharing...TFS can never satisfy everyone, no matter how they handle it. Or so it seems like. 

 

Yes, it would be nice to see some updates or screenshots from the upcoming update. But again why show something WIP as someone would rip the devs apart anyway, even clearly labeled WIP. 

 

I am not bothered about far and between updates, but the snide remarks and outright rude postings by the community. Really does not help when you see toxic remarks all over the place. If one has nothing but toxicity or snide remarks to post, then just stop posting altogether and move on. Easy as that. 

 

Anyways, waiting eagerly for the update. Can still enjoy the sim meanwhile. Have a nice day all. 

[Dagwoodyt]

It seems comforting to imagine that posts, "positive" or "negative", from very small groups, materially move a game useage needle. Objectively though somethings surely are always moving that needle.

[Guest deleted@7076]

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Edited September 12, 2022 by Varrattu
Small editorial supplement.

[Dagwoodyt]

5 hours ago, Varrattu said:

 

I'm with you.

Once upon a time Team Fusion (TF) & friends felt themselves faced with misperforming planes above the English Channel.  They dubbed their discovery the 'Atmosphere Density Bug'. As soon as TF got exclusivly the 'license to mod' the sky and the airplanes above the Channel got revised according to TF's understanding about correct performance levels in a supposed real standard atmosphere. Since this by TF as 'workaround' published tweak* we are flying happily with absolutely the best simulated channel weather and supposedly best flight performance.

Hopefully a too hasty published 'trueSky' will not destroy such standards. Or a too hastily published 'VR'.

 

~V~

 

* included in TF Patch v4.312

I understand the cautionary note. OTOH the private beta is limited to VR users. I don't know why that would be so if there were any concern that VR could adversely affect trueSKY for ANY users. Expected standards would not be materially different for VR users.

[BladeMeister]

On 6/4/2022 at 3:57 AM, Mysticpuma said:

Publicity isn't something TFS are interested in. 

They will let us know when we are worthy of knowing and not before. 

 

Remember, you will hear many rebuke your request as impatient and they are happy to wait. 

 

What more can we do. Just wait and wait and wait and eventually maybe something will be shared....maybe ?

 

Oh and not forgetting the Mid-may announcement of TF6..... 

It is all right here MP. For some reason you think other people are just stupid and don't understand how insulting you are being with these stupid posts. Stop being butt hurt because you were kicked off of TF. With these subtle childish  comments you are belittling yourself in front of the whole flight community. Maybe someday you will open your eyes, actually read what you have written here, and realize what you are posting is utterly  immature and disrespectful to TFS.

Please never again include my name with the likes of your name or Dagwoodyt. That is a complete insult to me.

 

Again, Thanks Buzzsaw and all of TFS. I look forward to the pending update, tomorrow, around Christmas or even next year. After having waited for years for Blitz and then DWT, I can honestly say, "the wait has been worth it", and I see no difference this time around. All I ask is just get it right, as you have in the past.

 

S!Blade<>< 

Wow, just Wow? Do you even read this stuff you write before you post it? It reads quite convincingly until one takes a moment and digests what you are saying, and then it is just clear as day. It is complete rubbish. Amazing. Carry on MP, keep propping up the troops at TFS and helping the Community engage with them. I am sure they really appreciate it and take it straight to heart. You really are a piece work.

On 6/5/2022 at 5:35 PM, Mysticpuma said:

Yet it seems beyond the realm of possibility that anyone In TFS can do this. Oh and if we here, "well if there is nothing to share then why grab a screenshot?" 

To which I would answer would that not be of even greater concern? Years of development in Truesky and all they are able to share is a low level grey/murky atmosphere?

 

[Boomerang]

Common guy's, please at least try to be polite and respectful of one an other. Geepers Kreepers ..

 

[Mysticpuma]

Blademeister, there is no option but to wait. There is an option to show work in progress. My comprehension, as someone who has (in other worlds outside of TFS) been involved in Marketing and PR, is vexed by the reluctance of the team to engage with the community.

While I do understand the "happy to wait" commentary, that's fine, what else can we do....but anyone (you and I) can clearly see that CloD is vanishing into obscurity because there is nothing being done to invigorate discussion and interest with new players and new blood being brought to the franchise.

Look at these boards. Most of the activity is between those who wish for news (I guess all of us in reality) however some are just content to wait and others question how after so many years of development, so little has been shared of Truesky? 

Screenshots and video are so easy to create these days, yet here we are literally years after Truesky was announced, and barely a handful of pictures from all the development work that has been carried out.

 

Passion for a project is so often viewed as negativity, but asking questions of the team should be allowed? I honestly refuse to believe that even with a small team, they can't engage in a Q&A on here or a live Youtube Broadcast, even as an annual event, without saying "we are a small team and taking an hour per year to have a Q&A will impact development".

 

So to state finally, take it or leave it, I cannot change anyone's mind;

 

I love CloD

 

I enjoy playing CloD

 

I enjoy creating videos and images with CloD

 

I enjoy being the only active Admin on the Cliffs of Dover Facebook page which still gets new members, but don't enjoy not having anything new to share with 2700 members

 

I am saddened by the demise of the community but the simple fact is, if the team aren't willing to promote their work, players drift away and forget it exists, unless you are one of the stalwart few who sit in threads like this asking for news and being knocked back for daring to ask.

 

I wish the team would engage more and bring some attention to the work they are doing....thus driving interest....thus creating/building a newer player base

 

I wish they would actively promote VR which currently sits in this thread and has nothing to show the public....to drive interest, thus creating/building a newer player base

 

I wish they would actively promote their new textures/graphics/aircraft along with Truesky to drive interest, thus creating/building a newer player base

 

I wish they would understand that hiding everything away from public view leads to the only discussion on the forums being 'arguments' like this rather than about discussion of work in progress and how exciting the future is. Currently, we just continue to speculate with nothing to promote enthusiasm.

 

I get frustrated as being thought of as an anti-Cloder when in fact the exact opposite is true, I actually want this bloody thing to grow and be popular again, but how can that be done with the only 'news' to share and promote the game, being months old screenshots with absolutely nothing new to suggest progress is being made and the team are on the final push to getting it released.

 

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I can't change anyone's mind if they find my passion and enthusiasm as a negative, but any negativity taken from my posts should be taken as constructive criticism of the team, as we watch the lifeblood of any future development steadily fade into the distance as life moves on and with no engagement from the team, the memory of CloD fades into obscurity. TFS really should start promoting their product or as it stands, only the few of us who are sticking around and posting in threads like this, will be all that is left to debate how great any new graphics update/ VR update is.

 

Time will of course tell, but the tragic player figures on Steam don't lie, how TFS invigorate the community with discussion of their Work in Progress could turn it around and start gaining traction. Currently though, the wait continues unendingly with no news from the front lines, just speculation here between long-term fans/players, who as this thread shows, just fight amongst themselves simply for asking (from both perspectives) that CloD should stay relevant. 

 

With so little engagement from the team, it is hard to see how that will turn out, but I as all of us do, hope the update turns up sooner rather than later to at least get the community buzzing again.

 

MP 

 

 

 

[Missionbug]

Personally I do not use VR, but I have to agree here with Mysticpuma, too little news and involvement with the wider community stifles interest in a simulator that for many out there is already dead in the water, sadly many more wish it was so other products can just go where they want without needing to consider their older iteration.

 

No matter how busy daily lives are most will find time to look at the forums and post comments, even those from TFS, surely they communicate with each other and pass information so why not share some of that?   A few sentences and images no matter how little or of what quality at least shows those genuinely interested in keeping this alive that something is actually progressing.

 

It will be interesting to find out how many of those out there who said they will buy only when VR comes along actually do so, will the figures on Steam show this?

 

Take care and be safe.

 

Wishing you all the very best, Pete.

Edited June 7, 2022 by Missionbug

[Enceladus828]

Mysticpuma, how about you appoint someone else to be the new PR person for TFS as the current PR person, Pattle, is certainly doing a very poor job at it.

[Buffo002]

I don't understand what you're still working on when the update will be. Buzzsaw, has said several times here on the forum that they will not make updates for just one edit, but when there is one big update that will improve VR, trueSky, 4K graphics, sounds and lots of others. Updates will be done when they have everything done that you still don't understand. So don't ask like little kids anymore.

Edited June 7, 2022 by Buffo002

[Dagwoodyt]

Right now I have more VR capable flight sim modules than I have time for. There are some I purchased last Fall just because they were on sale and have yet to use. There are others I will buy when the next sale starts. So TBH one VR capable module more or less is unlikely to alter the amount of time I use my HMD by much. It is simply a question of which ones I want to work into the time available.

Edited June 7, 2022 by Dagwoodyt

[Mysticpuma]

7 hours ago, Buffo002 said:

I don't understand what you're still working on when the update will be. Buzzsaw, has said several times here on the forum that they will not make updates for just one edit, but when there is one big update that will improve VR, trueSky, 4K graphics, sounds and lots of others. Updates will be done when they have everything done that you still don't understand. So don't ask like little kids anymore.

Not asking for the update to be released.

Simply asking to see some work in progress images or footage of the update that we will get.

[Peachy9]

 Better than EastEnders in here - those with limited time seem to be doing a lot of typing but not much Flying....I know where time is better spent

[FTC_Karaya]

1 hour ago, Peachy9 said:

 Better than EastEnders in here - those with limited time seem to be doing a lot of typing but not much Flying....I know where time is better spent

 

Drama aside, asking for pictures, videos, ANYTHING as an update to the community isnt really asking for much, is it?

It should be the bare minimum effort from any developer to keep the existing playerbase and future customers updated on the progress being made.

When was the last time we had a proper update? I'm thoroughly jealous of the dev blogs that the Great Battles players are getting.

Edited June 8, 2022 by Karaya

[Peachy9]

?

 

And like EastEnders - a lot of Drama but not many people watching ?

Edited June 8, 2022 by Peachy9
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[ddc1969]

So, how's it going??

[Dagwoodyt]

If some folks would prefer they had never heard of the Visual Update any mention of it will be viewed harshly.

[MisterSmith]

Locked for the moment. I don't have time to clean this up right now. Take the personal stuff to PM or moderate your expositions before hitting send.

[OBT-Mikmak]

A new update is available for registered VR beta testers.

Edited June 16, 2022 by OBT-Mikmak

[MisterSmith]

Cleaned it up. Be civil with one another please.

[Patricks]

Will CLoD VR work under OpenXR\OpenComposite? It seems to be the new path for a few sims, works great for IL-2 FB, and even iRacing is going to implement support..

 

[71st_AH_Mastiff]

yes would like this option as steam VR seems to be very unoptimized.

[SquashmanMikeEH]

6 hours ago, Patricks said:

Will CLoD VR work under OpenXR\OpenComposite? It seems to be the new path for a few sims, works great for IL-2 FB, and even iRacing is going to implement support..

 

 

Check out the Discord channel for OpenXR Toolkit / OpenComposite, where there is much discussion about adapting OpenVR  to OpenXR - The trouble is I don't understand most of it.

 

I have tried just replacing the files in CoD with those in OXXR_WMR_ACC but get error messages on startup.

 

It would need someone like OBT-Mikmac to investigate how to use OpenXR with Cliffs of Dover

 

[Buzzsaw]

We will probably look at Open XR once we get VR working correctly under Steam VR.