Continued screen freezes in VR with Mods on or Off

[Blitzen]

Over the past month or more & I have been getting screen freezes in between the end of a mission,& either the screen that shows the result of that mission or immediately afterwards. The VR headset image freezes with what appears to be a off center black border or 'matt" , but the one on the monitor does not; it goes to the next screen ,usually the mission results .In order to continue I have either sit and wait for a few minutes while the Steam Library screen reappears or to exit the game , exit Steam VR and exit Steam exit MR l.I've tried just about everything, including a fresh install, a constant check of temporary files,rebooting with every part of re-install or addition slowly & individually with Mods .Sometimes I get a temporary fix but it soon goes away. It typically happens on long campaign missions or most often on Bodenplatte map but not exclusively so. I wonder if a folder might be corrupted ( Lauscript for instance) but re-installing the sim should preclude that shouldn't it? This is driving me around the bend-any ideas of what to check out & fix? I want to be ready for the next update.I'm trying to sort this out without having to do some high tech fiddling. I play with a ReverbG2 headset & the sim is on my E: drive where there is enough room for GB and CloD .Could location away from ? have any impact?

( I'm not sure if the freeze happens in non-VR gameplay or not as it could take some time to test.)

 

Edited April 23, 2022 by Blitzen

[Angry_Russian]

Try removing any GPU overclock, I've had the same issue because of that. If you think you don't have any overclock then still check again, as many GPUs go out from the factory with already OC on GPU and/or on VRAM so check the original specifications for your GPU and set them with MSI Afterburner or something similar. E.g. Cyberpunk 2077 can be completely stable but DCS and IL2 can cause crashes like this, it's "feature" of the VR load on GPU, it jumps around a lot unlike typical PC games.

 

BTW which headset are you on?

[Blitzen]

3 hours ago, Angry_Russian said:

Try removing any GPU overclock, I've had the same issue because of that. If you think you don't have any overclock then still check again, as many GPUs go out from the factory with already OC on GPU and/or on VRAM so check the original specifications for your GPU and set them with MSI Afterburner or something similar. E.g. Cyberpunk 2077 can be completely stable but DCS and IL2 can cause crashes like this, it's "feature" of the VR load on GPU, it jumps around a lot unlike typical PC games.

 

BTW which headset are you on?

VIVE G2 which I love! I'm pretty sure I'm not GPU overclocked, but how would I determine if I (resays the PC boomer....semi accurate picture included)

Edited February 16, 2022 by Blitzen

[Blitzen]

That is precisely what does worry me that and these guys in my PC:

[Angry_Russian]

1 hour ago, Blitzen said:

VIVE G2 which I love! I'm pretty sure I'm not GPU overclocked, but how would I determine if I (resays the PC boomer....semi accurate picture included)

I think you've meant Reverb G2, right? Which graphics card do you have? Basically this is your friend:

https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/

You find your exact model there and compare it to the standard specifications. Most often GPU manufacturers overclock core clock, so download MSI Afterburner (works not only with MSI GPUs) and you can set core frequency according to specification. For example below I see that for my card boost clock is 1800 MHz instead of standard 1665MHz, so for testing I would set 1665 - 1800 = - 135 MHz on the core frequency:

 

 

If that is stable then you can try increasing frequency by 25 MHz and see if it stable or not, but honestly for VR this kind of performance difference is negligible. For testing purposes you can just set in MSI Afterburner -300 MHz on the core and -500 MHz on the VRAM and if everything is stable then it was indeed the card issue and you'll need to play with parameters.

 

Edited February 16, 2022 by Angry_Russian

[Blitzen]

I have a 3080 card from about a year ago

[Angry_Russian]

4 minutes ago, Blitzen said:

I have a 3080 card from about a year ago

There are 192 variants of 3080, to check the difference between your card and standard specs you need to know the exact model, not only chipset. Try checking your order details and then find it on the TechPowerUp.

Edited February 16, 2022 by Angry_Russian

[Blitzen]

On 2/16/2022 at 9:22 AM, Angry_Russian said:

I think you've meant Reverb G2, right? Which graphics card do you have? Basically this is your friend:

https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/

You find your exact model there and compare it to the standard specifications. Most often GPU manufacturers overclock core clock, so download MSI Afterburner (works not only with MSI GPUs) and you can set core frequency according to specification. For example below I see that for my card boost clock is 1800 MHz instead of standard 1665MHz, so for testing I would set 1665 - 1800 = - 135 MHz on the core frequency:

 

 

If that is stable then you can try increasing frequency by 25 MHz and see if it stable or not, but honestly for VR this kind of performance difference is negligible. For testing purposes you can just set in MSI Afterburner -300 MHz on the core and -500 MHz on the VRAM and if everything is stable then it was indeed the card issue and you'll need to play with parameters.

 

Interestingly enough these freezes do not occur when I don't use VR. I am currently using 60 MHZ. The graphics card came built into the AZUS PC I bought to get a 3080 card when they were unavailable anywhere but in rare cases I "built" PC like this from BestBuy.I don't believe anyone overclocked it before I started using it a year ago.It worked fine until about a month ago when these freezes atarted occurring, usually at the end of missions during transitions to another mission or the end of one going to a mission result screen.

Edited February 17, 2022 by Blitzen

[Blitzen]

Still happening- any other ideas?

[JGr2/J5_Baeumer]

Try cross posting here.  Probably more eyes with VR experience than me.  https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/forum/109-virtual-reality-and-vr-controllers/

 

It does fit the behavior of a over clocked GPU in combination possibly with overheating.  You might compare metrics including temperature between VR and no VR and post your findings on the thread suggested above.  Your system could have a cooling or even power limit or combination thereof that it is running into.

[Blitzen]

This just popped up!

[firdimigdi]

On 4/24/2022 at 3:16 AM, Blitzen said:

This just popped up!

 

That's VRNS crashing because your joystick was disconnected (and maybe reconnected, but VRNS doesn't know how to handle re-connections).

[Blitzen]

1 hour ago, Firdimigdi said:

 

That's VRNS crashing because your joystick was disconnected (and maybe reconnected, but VRNS doesn't know how to handle re-connections).

Fascinating idea. I am pretty sure I didn’t disconnect it recently.

I wonder if I purposely disconnected the MSFFB joystick from the PC and reconnect it before game play. I can play CloD beta with no problems

I do have a small observation which may or may not have something to do with this : after game play ( & usual crash,) I do a “check local files’ in Steam and almost every case there is at least one or more files missing that must be replaced…????

[firdimigdi]

2 hours ago, Blitzen said:

Fascinating idea. I am pretty sure I didn’t disconnect it recently.

You probably didn't but it did get disconnected as far as the computer knows.

You can see similar reports in the VRNS thread:

It can happen if it's on an unpowered hub with other devices or if the jack itself is acting up, or the cable to your joystick is messed up, or in the case of VKB/Virpil devices it can also happen if the joystick grip isn't seated properly and comes loose while playing.

[Blitzen]

Thanks Firdimigl!!!!

   As mentioned I 've had this frustrating problem for several months now.I've tried to figure out what was going on all that time.Mods? Missing files ? A corrupt install ? I must have done 10 un-installa-re-installs, and all with only temporary results .It has just driven me crazy...even crazier knowing the new aircraft that are coming down the line & that would be freezing up just like everything now does. If it hadn't been for that pop-up error message ( which never appeared before...) and you recognizing it from the Neck Saver mod thread, I might have never tumbled for the solution : disabling whatever VRNS I have currently installed .Problem solved! I do have a regret  : I had very much liked Neck Saver & gotten dependent on it...sigh. Perhaps someone over at that thread will come up with a solution or an earlier version that created this glitch in my GB.At any rate many many thanks for you help!

[macro1]

I have this issue but no Neck saver installed, does using a powered USB hub solve this?