New player - BF110 question

[TP_Bear]

I'm a new player who has just started playing just over a week. Really enjoying it so far. I have purchased a new joystick for the game too.

 

I have a question regarding the BF110 as i have started using it whilst also switching to complictaed settings. Is it normal for the 110 to yaw to left and pitch slightly up (without trim) during all stages of flight? As it feels a little excessive.

 

I tried it on normal settings with the same results. And have gone back to the 109 to see if the problem occurs there too, but i cant really tell.

 

Just wanting to check this is right before tweaking too many settings keybinds/worrying my new joystick is already broken!

 

Thanks for the help.

[JG27_Steini]

14 minutes ago, Troggers said:

I'm a new player who has just started playing just over a week. Really enjoying it so far. I have purchased a new joystick for the game too.

 

I have a question regarding the BF110 as i have started using it whilst also switching to complictaed settings. Is it normal for the 110 to yaw to left and pitch slightly up (without trim) during all stages of flight? As it feels a little excessive.

 

I tried it on normal settings with the same results. And have gone back to the 109 to see if the problem occurs there too, but i cant really tell.

 

Just wanting to check this is right before tweaking too many settings keybinds/worrying my new joystick is already broken!

 

Thanks for the help.

 

This behavious does not sound normal. 2 engine fighters are per definition the most stable planes. Check you joystick settings in windows and in the game. Center the stick correctly or disconnect the stick and see how the planes fly without stick. Maybe you have choosen bad wheather while flying?

[TP_Bear]

Thanks for the reply, 

 

I thought somethung was abnormal and i hadn't had any problems with level flight prior to trying the bf110 last night. Conditions are perfect: clear, no wind. 

 

I need to set the rudder trim on the 110 to at least 14/20% to even vaguley fly level.

 

[I./JG52_Woutwocampe]

8 minutes ago, JG27_Steini said:

 

This behavious does not sound normal. 2 engine fighters are per definition the most stable planes. Check you joystick settings in windows and in the game. Center the stick correctly or disconnect the stick and see how the planes fly without stick. Maybe you have choosen bad wheather while flying?

 

Both propellers are spinning clockwise, the pull to the left will remain. Its not the P-38 here. But the torque effect aint as bad as the 109 and the Spit imo.

 

As for the pitch trimmer, I never use the default setting. If I carry bombs I'll ajust it a bit to be more nose light, and if I dont have any, I'll use a more nose heavy setting. 

 

Also, while taxiing with the 110, remember that the tail wheel cannot be locked. Go slowly and use manual prop pitch to avoid big swings to the left when increasing the throttle.

Edited February 2, 2022 by I./JG52_Woutwocampe

[AEthelraedUnraed]

22 minutes ago, Troggers said:

(without trim)

That's your problem. Every aircraft will have some pitching/yawing effects due to multiple factors (engine torque, wind, etc.). You should always trim your aircraft, and probably readjust your trim in-flight a couple of times.

 

6 minutes ago, JG27_Steini said:

2 engine fighters are per definition the most stable planes.

The 110 doesn't have contra-rotating props In other words, it has twice the torque effects of a single-engine fighter.

[TP_Bear]

Thanks for the replies everyone. New to the whole flight sim world so still learning.

 

Having previously flown the He 111 h6 which i found stable I was quite surpised how unstable the 110 felt, to the point something was wrong, eapecially that it seemed to be pulling left in every situation. I shall get used to trimming more!

 

Thanks again

[jollyjack]

31 minutes ago, AEthelraedUnraed said:

The 110 doesn't have contra-rotating props In other words, it has twice the torque effects of a single-engine fighter.

 

As such Heinkel built better planes?

[Eisenfaustus]

3 hours ago, jollyjack said:

 

As such Heinkel built better planes?

I don’t think that Heinkel engines are contra rotating either - in fact I believe no German plane had that design feature

[easterling77]

4 hours ago, Troggers said:

Thanks for the replies everyone. New to the whole flight sim world so still learning.

 

Having previously flown the He 111 h6 which i found stable I was quite surpised how unstable the 110 felt, to the point something was wrong, eapecially that it seemed to be pulling left in every situation. I shall get used to trimming more!

 

Thanks again

In adition to the already mentioned prop spinning you may have to consider the power to weight ratio when comparing a Bf 110 to a He111.

 

The Bf 110 will allways response more due to the effect it weights far less so any forces hampered by the weight of the 111 will have much more effect on a 110

 

Edit: Welcome on Board and much fun and joy in the flying

Edited February 2, 2022 by easterling77

[Jaws2002]

Yeah, 110 has  more torque than He111, but just to be sure, check your throttle axis. make sure your not using differential throttle, without knowing. 

 

Welcome to Il-2.

Edited February 2, 2022 by Jaws2002

[SCG_Tzigy]

5 hours ago, Troggers said:

Thanks for the reply, 

 

I thought somethung was abnormal and i hadn't had any problems with level flight prior to trying the bf110 last night. Conditions are perfect: clear, no wind. 

 

I need to set the rudder trim on the 110 to at least 14/20% to even vaguley fly level.

 

 

still not normal, double check your throttles, make sure both engines selected/same settings

[Sandmarken]

59 minutes ago, Eisenfaustus said:

I don’t think that Heinkel engines are contra rotating either - in fact I believe no German plane had that design feature

The hs 129 did ? 

[JG27_Steini]

20 hours ago, I./JG52_Woutwocampe said:

 

Both propellers are spinning clockwise, the pull to the left will remain. Its not the P-38 here. But the torque effect aint as bad as the 109 and the Spit imo.

 

As for the pitch trimmer, I never use the default setting. If I carry bombs I'll ajust it a bit to be more nose light, and if I dont have any, I'll use a more nose heavy setting. 

 

Also, while taxiing with the 110, remember that the tail wheel cannot be locked. Go slowly and use manual prop pitch to avoid big swings to the left when increasing the throttle.

 

Thanks. Did not know that. But i think that 2 engines does not mean the effect is doubled. Because both engines have a different rotation axis. So a part of both axis are overlapping in a different direction deleting each other, so the effect is still there, but at the end i has the same effect as a single engine only. But the 110 is bigger so the effect is at the end smaller as for the 109.

[I./JG52_Woutwocampe]

21 hours ago, Sandmarken said:

The hs 129 did ? 

 

Stolen french engines dont count ?

[PatrickAWlson]

If you are new to the 110, don't forget that you have to manually reload your 20mm (ctrl-K I think).  it is the gunner that drops in a new clip when you give the order.

[I./JG52_Woutwocampe]

2 hours ago, PatrickAWlson said:

If you are new to the 110, don't forget that you have to manually reload your 20mm (ctrl-K I think).  it is the gunner that drops in a new clip when you give the order.

 

The way the AI gunners aim nowadays, Im surprised they are still up to this task. Bunch of stormtroopers.

Edited February 4, 2022 by I./JG52_Woutwocampe

[Yogiflight]

2 hours ago, I./JG52_Woutwocampe said:

 

The way the AI gunners shoot nowadays, Im surprised they are still up to this task. Bunch of stormtroopers.

Don't talk bad about the 110 E2 gunner. He is able to reload your 20mm guns and shoot his rear machinegun at the same time. And I had mine even switch off all the electric fuzes after landing, even though he was dead.

[I./JG52_Woutwocampe]

1 hour ago, Yogiflight said:

Don't talk bad about the 110 E2 gunner. He is able to reload your 20mm guns and shoot his rear machinegun at the same time. And I had mine even switch off all the electric fuzes after landing, even though he was dead.

 

This is unsettling. Why do I have stormtroopers when you have Jedi?

 

?

[Yogiflight]

15 minutes ago, I./JG52_Woutwocampe said:

 

This is unsettling. Why do I have stormtroopers when you have Jedi?

 

?

Maybe I should change my pilot name to 'Yodaflight'

[I./JG52_Woutwocampe]

49 minutes ago, Yogiflight said:

Maybe I should change my pilot name to 'Yodaflight'

 

[Yogiflight]

7 minutes ago, I./JG52_Woutwocampe said:

 

I'll answer that with the Yoda Gremlin

Edited February 5, 2022 by Yogiflight