Suggested Plane List #4

[Jackfraser24]

Hi. I just want to ask a couple of question.

Would the Pe 8 have any practical use in IL 2 Great Battles in current or in hypothetical future scenarios? 
Where were they used and what were they used for?

Also, what about the Yermolayev Yer 2?

Thank you for reading.

[ShamrockOneFive]

Really interesting aircraft and one I enjoyed flying a bit when it became a flyable in the original IL-2 1946 series. As for practical uses? Historically it wasn't used all that much being sent on a few strategic bombing missions but in limited numbers and over limited fronts. I don't think it had much or any interaction with the battles that we have.

 

I don't know the Yer-2's history as well. I know it was used in essentially the same role as the Pe-2 during the Battle of Moscow and that there were some later versions with new engines that came on mid-war but aside from that I'm not sure.

 

The series has a shortage of medium and heavy bombers because of the length of development time needed to make some of these. With a limited potential for bombers it seems likely that a more flexible and useful aircraft like the B-25D (used in multiple scenarios in the east and west) is our best bet at an Allied medium bomber.

[40plus]

Heavy bombers, all/any heavy bombers, would be a welcome addition to the sim but I wouldn't hold your breath. From what had been said previously, the business case is hard to justify given the work involved in creating them.

[Lusekofte]

YER 2 long range, 2 diesel engine medium bomber. Some PE 8 got diesel engines. 

As I read, in practice very difficult to handle at high altitude.

But Yer 2 would be a nice plane to have

But personally , now when we get c 47 I long for this

And this dieselpowered beauty

And this beauty

When you start a wish topic, Dreams you get

Edited January 30, 2022 by LuseKofte

[JtD]

The Pe-8 would be very high on the list of poor cost/benefit ratio. It's a hugely complex aircraft, which came in many different versions and sub-versions, which was barely used. So I'd say it won't have any practical use in game.

 

However, it definitely is one of the technically most interesting aircraft of the era, I'd love to see it.

[Halon]

Would have to join the queue behind the TB 3 I'm afraid ? now there's a true technological marvel!

[BlitzPig_EL]

I remember early on in the original IL2 when we figured out how to fly the AI only Pe8 from the external view.  Flying it to the enemy field on the Kuban coast and dropping the FAB 5000 on the field in multiplayer.

 

Hardly historic, but it pegged the fun meter.

 

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[ShamrockOneFive]

2 hours ago, BlitzPig_EL said:

I remember early on in the original IL2 when we figured out how to fly the AI only Pe8 from the external view.  Flying it to the enemy field on the Kuban coast and dropping the FAB 5000 on the field in multiplayer.

 

Hardly historic, but it pegged the fun meter.

 

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I remember those missions! Terrific fun.

[76IAP-Black]

The little 196 is a great plane to develop a seaplane for il2. Twoseater, floatplane, recon mechanics coule be used with it.

 

And serve on the Normandie map aswell as over kuban

[40plus]

6 hours ago, Halon said:

Would have to join the queue behind the TB 3 I'm afraid ? now there's a true technological marvel!

Now THAT would need a fun addition!

[Jackfraser24]

Hi Everyone who reads this.

 

I just want to ask a question about the Dornier 17. I know it was retired from frontline service long before the end of the war but would it have any place for Moscow or possibly Stalingrad?

 

Thank you.

[Jaws2002]

From the WW2 Russian bombers I like the look of Il-4. It saw a lot of action as bomber and torpedo bomber. 

 

[Jackfraser24]

Hi Everyone who reads this.

 

I just want to ask another question. The Messerschmitt Bf 109 E4 was used on the Eastern Front right to at least 1942. Would it be worth having a place in Battle of Moscow, or Stalingrad, or both?

 

Thank you

[Chief_Mouser]

Barbarossa yes, but very limited and possibly not on the Moscow map. All gone before the end of the year.  Stalingrad - no.

[PatrickAWlson]

Do217 more likely

[PatrickAWlson]

Was it? The E4 was at BoB in 1940.  Over a year later, at Moscow, German fighter units had the F2.  We do have the E7 as a Jabo.

[Jackfraser24]

Hi Everyone who reads this.

 

Another question I want to ask. We’re the Messerschmitt 110 C and D variants used in Russia in places like Moscow or (which I doubt) Stalingrad before being withdrawn from service? 
 

If so, would they be worthwhile having a place in IL 2 Great Battles series?

 

Thank you.

[=621=Samikatz]

Don't install any armour plating or drop tanks on the E-7 and you have your E-4

[Jackfraser24]

Hi Everyone who reads this.

 

I would like to ask another question. I know that the Curtiss Tomahawk was used on the Eastern Front by the Soviet Air Forces through the lend lease program. Would it be a good idea if it was added as a collector plane for Moscow or Stalingrad? 
 

Thank you

[Jackfraser24]

Really? So are you saying that the E7 was essentially an E4 with added armour plating and customised drop tanks?

[BlitzPig_EL]

I for one would love to have it, but I doubt it will happen at this late date.

[BlitzPig_EL]

Perhaps you should put all these requests and questions about older aircraft into one post.  The next installment will be Battle of Normandy, so I seriously doubt any older aircraft are in the cards for a very long time.

[=621=Samikatz]

8 minutes ago, Jackfraser24 said:

Really? So are you saying that the E7 was essentially an E4 with added armour plating and customised drop tanks?

 

Armour plating is optional for E-7s, not all of them had it, but from everything I have read those are the only noticeable differences

[[CPT]milopugdog]

While we don't have a Tomahawk, we do have the Kittyhawk; which believe or not, are remarkably similar designs. I suggest you take a look.

[LukeFF]

30 minutes ago, =621=Samikatz said:

Armour plating is optional for E-7s, not all of them had it, but from everything I have read those are the only noticeable differences

 

Yes, essentially the E-7 is just an E-4/B that can carry a drop tank.

[Motherbrain]

Both the Do217 or a Ju188 would be welcome editions. I'm not holding my breath though.

 

[PatrickAWlson]

4 hours ago, =621=Samikatz said:

Don't install any armour plating or drop tanks on the E-7 and you have your E-4

 

Didn't know that.  Thanks.

[Pikestance]

If you love the 109, then you want every variant! 

[Pikestance]

Hey, I can remember when the IAR was a pipe dream.

[Chief_Mouser]

Although asking all these questions in different threads wasn't a great idea, now that someone has merged them all into one it's just a mess.

[Yogiflight]

8 hours ago, Jackfraser24 said:

Really? So are you saying that the E7 was essentially an E4 with added armour plating and customised drop tanks?

And the way to differentiate them when seeing them, the spinner is different. The spinner of the E4 was meant for an engine gun and has an opening in the middle, while the E7 spinner is aerodynamically shaped, which gave the E7 a few extra km/h of topspeed.

[Jackfraser24]

Ok thanks for the information all of you. That’s very interesting

[Jaws2002]

14 hours ago, 216th_Cat said:

Barbarossa yes, but very limited and possibly not on the Moscow map. All gone before the end of the year.  Stalingrad - no.

 The Romanian 7th Fighter Group went to Stalingrad with a mixed bag of E-3/4/7's and stayed in combat until February 1943.

 

Later, in 43, when the Unit got BF-109G's, those early Emils were sent for training and Black sea defense.

 In the Summer of 1944 The Emils saw combat against USAAF 15th air force.

[Chief_Mouser]

21 minutes ago, Jaws2002 said:

 The Romanian 7th Fighter Group went to Stalingrad with a mixed bag of E-3/4/7's and stayed in combat until February 1943.

 

Later, in 43, when the Unit got BF-109G's, those early Emils were sent for training and Black sea defense.

 In the Summer of 1944 The Emils saw combat against USAAF 15th air force.

 

My comments referred to the Dornier 17. Like I said above, the merging of all these threads has made a complete nonsense of it.

[Master_Caution]

I think there was only a single regiment of Pe-8's..Seems like it was a near prestige weapon, like the massive railguns and whatnot. It did attempt some night raids on Berlin.

The Yer-2 was the 'runt of the litter' and just got sidelined due to production runs being better used for other airframes. Neat, quirky looking plane though.

 

In terms of utility in this sim, The Il-4/Db-3 I think would get the most mileage. It was a player in most of the existing modules.

 

[gimpy117]

Mediums for Soviets, Americans and Brits are a must, and unfortunately are absent