Flying Circus Future

[Jackfraser24]

Hi Everyone who reads this.

 

What would be the most likely scenario for a Flying Circus Volume 4 module? 
 

Would it be on the English Channel including Northern France and Southeastern England?
 

Or on the Eastern Front in military operations like the Brusilov Offensive?

 

Or on the Italian Front between Italy, Germany and Austria Hungary for battles like Caporetto, Isonzo, or Vittorio Veneto? 

Or somewhere else?

 

For each, or what scenario you think is most likely, please tell me the aircraft list you think would most likely go with it. 
 

Thank you

Edited August 19, 2024 by Jackfraser24

[JG4_Moltke1871]

I like to think about the channel scenario… and a online server long enough for a London bomb raid. ?

[LukeFF]

The plan is to enlarge the current Arras map, so I doubt you're going to see a map outside of the Western Front anytime soon. 

[J2_Trupobaw]

You can see Kent from Arras map already ;).

[Jackfraser24]

Really, I must try that 

Could a Chanel map extend as far south as on the border of the Arras map? Or even slightly overlap?

[JGr2/J5_Klugermann]

Personally I'm looking forward to volumes 5 and 6.

[JG4_Moltke1871]

On 1/30/2022 at 11:39 PM, LukeFF said:

The plan is to enlarge the current Arras map, so I doubt you're going to see a map outside of the Western Front anytime soon. 

I see extended Arras and Verdun Sectors chosen for phase 2 maps. Will we see both in FC 2 release? 
I can’t wait explore Verdun sector with the Forts Douamond and Vaux, High 304 and Mort Homme etc etc….?

[Jackfraser24]

Was there much air warfare on the WW1 Eastern Front? 

[Zooropa_Fly]

7 hours ago, Jackfraser24 said:

Was there much air warfare on the WW1 Eastern Front? 

 

Not if Rise of Flight is anything to go by.

[J2_Trupobaw]

Little compared to Eastern Front. The Kierenski offensive of 1917 saw some fughting and even some aces, but it was mirror of Fokker Scourge period - Central Powers enjoyed so much superiority that they didn't even bother making fighter squadrons and kept all-purpose two seater squadrons that on the West were long obsolete. Russians had few Nieuport squadrons and where they met the enemy, they were practically unopposed.

Edited February 2, 2022 by J2_Trupobaw

[Cynic_Al]

On 1/30/2022 at 7:47 PM, Jackfraser24 said:

What would be the most likely scenario for a Flying Circus Volume 4 module? 

 

Did I miss the announcement regarding a commitment to FC 3?  If so, where is it?

[J2_Trupobaw]

Just bellow announcement regarding a commitment to FC 2. They were announced together.

[Jackfraser24]

Was there much aerial activity on the Italian Front with Italy vs the Central Powers? 
 

Would it be worth doing?

[Cynic_Al]

On 2/2/2022 at 2:37 PM, J2_Trupobaw said:

Just below announcement regarding a commitment to FC 2. They were announced together.

 

As there is no detail regarding FC3 content, why would we discuss a hypothetical FC4?

[BraveSirRobin]

FC4 has already been released.  It’s Battle of Moscow.

[ST_Catchov]

Cripes, who even cares about FC3 or FC4. Bugsville man. FC5 und FC6 will be the standouts. I'm mit Klugermann ja.

[J2_Trupobaw]

13 hours ago, Cynic_Al said:

 

As there is no detail regarding FC3 content, why would we discuss a hypothetical FC4?

Why not? Among discussion of hypothetical wing fixes, hypothetical engine variants and hypothetical sound mods to recreate conjectural realism, this discussion is right where it belongs.

I'm with Willy, let's jump to discussing FC5.

[Angry_Kitten]

who cares about what they might do.

 

Anything dealing with Italy would require a new game engine in order to support the airships they fielded. 

 

 

[DD_Arthur]

7 hours ago, pocketshaver said:

who cares about what they might do.

 

Anything dealing with Italy would require a new game engine in order to support the airships they fielded. 

 

 

 

 

[messsucher]

12 minutes ago, DD_Arthur said:

 

 

 

That actually looked like a good movie of a schizophrenia.

[Superflyer]

Ich wäre zufrieden, wenn FC 2 herauskommt und vernünftige Kampagnien dabei sind. Vielleicht noch ein paar Kauf- Flugzeuge wie: Nieuport 17, evtl. DH.2 , Albatross D.III

 

I'd be happy if FC 2 comes out and comes with decent campaigns. Maybe a few purchase aircraft like: Nieuport 17, possibly DH.2, Albatross D.III

[Angry_Kitten]

*clap clap* really great response to things you dont like. 

 

 

circus two has been what, an actual free standing game for how many years now, and they still dont have it done yet...  they dont even give us a reason to purchase FC2

[JG4_Moltke1871]

11 hours ago, pocketshaver said:

*clap clap* really great response to things you dont like. 

 

 

circus two has been what, an actual free standing game for how many years now, and they still dont have it done yet...  they dont even give us a reason to purchase FC2

 

 

15 hours ago, Superflyer said:

Ich wäre zufrieden, wenn FC 2 herauskommt und vernünftige Kampagnien dabei sind. Vielleicht noch ein paar Kauf- Flugzeuge wie: Nieuport 17, evtl. DH.2 , Albatross D.III

 

I'd be happy if FC 2 comes out and comes with decent campaigns. Maybe a few purchase aircraft like: Nieuport 17, possibly DH.2, Albatross D.III

 

Everything is already announced, Watch Jason’s Post from December 15 2020. They have a plan and estimate timeline. 

FC is a longer Project.

Find your answers here on Stormbirds and in Jason‘s Briefing room:

 

https://stormbirds.blog/2020/12/15/flying-circus-vol-2-pre-order-live-future-of-the-series-revealed/

 

 

 

 

[Cynic_Al]

On 2/4/2022 at 12:08 PM, J2_Trupobaw said:

Why not? Among discussion of hypothetical wing fixes, hypothetical engine variants and hypothetical sound mods to recreate conjectural realism, this discussion is right where it belongs.

I'm with Willy, let's jump to discussing FC5.

 

FC1 debuted in mid July '18 with two planes, so if we include the two expected planes (Tripe and Gotha), that's another eighteen planes added in say 3 and a half years, equating to a production rate of approximately five planes per year.  Assuming a similar future rate, any FC4 content won't need to be considered until 2024 at the earliest. 

[Avimimus]

FC4 would have one or two slots open for additional aircraft (a slow two-seater would be good - maybe a Caudron G.4 or Morane-Saulnier L in order to give something for the E.III and DH.2 to hunt). Given that some of the aircraft are also float-planes I could see it potentially expanding to the Channel.

 

What I'm curious about is if there will ever be an FC5. It is very uncertain and dependent on whether the market grows I think.

 

IMHO, the best theatre for FC5 would be the Isonzo to Adriatic. A number of aircraft could be re-used with very minor tweaks for Italy, and Austrio-Hungarian aircraft are surprisingly varied and well documented. I might make a post on this sometime.

[JGr2/J5_Hotlead]

On 2/6/2022 at 11:07 AM, Avimimus said:

IMHO, the best theatre for FC5 would be the Isonzo to Adriatic. A number of aircraft could be re-used with very minor tweaks for Italy, and Austrio-Hungarian aircraft are surprisingly varied and well documented. I might make a post on this sometime.

 

I would second this wholeheartedly! This would bring in stunning new scenery and new aircraft to the FC series. It would bring in a theater of war that saw much more aerial combat than the Russian front in WW1 and bring to life something no WW1 air combat simulation has ever done. It would be a bold move for 1C that I really believe would pay dividends and bring in more pilots (+ more sales). FC5 would effectively be the only show in town when it comes to the Italian Front in WW1. While the same could be said if they chose to re-skin the Russian front maps, it would be far less exciting IMHO. Just my two cents. ?

Edited February 7, 2022 by JG1_Hotlead_J10

[ST_Catchov]

6 hours ago, JG1_Hotlead_J10 said:

FC5 would effectively be the only show in town when it comes to the Italian Front in WW1.

 

We'd need Hanriots then.

[J2_Trupobaw]

Hanriots, Hansa-Brandemburgs, Oeffag Albies with 230 hp engines and chutes ... yeah it would be awesome.

[Guest deleted@83466]

Please don’t quit your day-job

 

[migmadmarine]

I imagine it would be the channel, especially with the work done on the channel for Normandy, at least some of the assets would be re-usable etc. Would be cool to have it link in to the the merged western front map, though the resulting shape would be kind of an odd squiggle with large unused areas in the south west and north east. Not counting the sea planes (as they would logically pair with the channel) and eastern front aircraft, as well as combining sub variants into one for the purposes of the package (as was done with the Spad VIIs, Fokker D.VIIs etc,) there are 13 aircraft to be added. Don't know if they would do an aircraft heavy package for VOl. III and give all 13 in one pack, or stick to the standard 10 and sell the remaining 3 individually. Possibly do a 12 aircraft package for Vol.III and save the Hanriot for a Vol.IV channel package as that map covered more of Belgium and the HD.II was a float plane, and flesh the rest of the 10 aircraft with more channel area suited aircraft? I did like a post Pat Wilson made proposing splitting Vol.III into two to cover the earlier aircraft left to add, and using the extra slots in the 10-per-pack model to flesh out missing two seaters for France/Germany and the earlier period of the war, but that seems rather unlikely, and I don't know what the map for the fourth map in that scenario would be. Maybe make a variation of the existing map with the front line adjusted to correspond with a different era of the war, or extend down to the Swiss border? 

Edited February 10, 2022 by migmadmarine

[J2_Trupobaw]

2 minutes ago, SeaSerpent said:

I like where you’re going with that, but you don’t rhyme very well.  I give you 5 out of 10.

Hey, I'm trying to match the original  .

[Cynic_Al]

9 hours ago, migmadmarine said:

Would be cool to have it link in to the the merged western front map, though the resulting shape would be kind of an odd squiggle with large unused areas in the south west and north east.

 

From RoF experience, I barely recall an MP map that didn't shrink the combat area by using the banks of the Thames estuary as a substitute channel, whose crossing otherwise could take a lengthy 15 minutes or more, well beyond most players' attention span.  Any map comprising the channel would certainly include an unused area, it would be the channel itself.

[J2_Trupobaw]

Anti-shipping missions did happen; BS had this excellent artillery ranging mission where you had to find your target in the middle if the Channel, via dead reconing, with crosswind. Whichever group got their navigation better had massive headstart.

 

But yeah, the map beyond southern coast of England was rarely if ever used; estuary front did happen. It was stretched north for sake of having Felixstowe the town, to go with Felixstowe the boat.

 

I hope we get the flyable sea at north of the full Front map, some 10 km off coast. If not, Normandy map will have all parts we need.

Edited February 11, 2022 by J2_Trupobaw

[Feathered_IV]

On 1/31/2022 at 6:47 AM, Jackfraser24 said:

What would be the most likely scenario for a Flying Circus Volume 4 module? 

 

Once the Western Front map is completed we may find that all future FC content will be limited to collector's planes only

[Guest deleted@83466]

I’m having trouble seeing any future modules dealing with anything other than the classic Western front, meaning France and Belgium.  Is there really enough interest out there that would commercially justify something in Italy or operations in the East?  I’m thinking about the old Carpathia map in RoF or the some of the Russian aircraft that were around.  I didn’t get the impression these were all that popular.

[Vig]

I would be very happy to fly Hansa-Brandenburg and Phönix biplanes in the Alps.  

[J2_Nedo]

I am an absolute fan of ALL aircraft of this era, i would be just satisfied with extraordinary collector planes,

but new maps like the Alps or the Channel would be great,with all that we could create our own servers with different Planesets and Rules.

[J2_Bidu]

9 hours ago, Feathered_IV said:

 

Once the Western Front map is completed we may find that all future FC content will be limited to collector's planes only

 

Collector Planes mean only a handful of people will have them. So no multiplayer serer will build a mission where any of those planes is really essential... Collector will stay exceptional. I trust FC to have a  stronger future.

9 hours ago, Feathered_IV said:

 

Once the Western Front map is completed we may find that all future FC content will be limited to collector's planes only

 

Collector Planes mean only a handful of people will have them. So no multiplayer serer will build a mission where any of those planes is really essential... Collector will stay exceptional. I trust FC to have a  stronger future.

[Cynic_Al]

On 2/12/2022 at 10:51 AM, J2_Bidu said:

So no multiplayer serer will build a mission where any of those planes is really essential.

 

I know of one server operator who wouldn't even allow collector planes in a map.

[Zooropa_Fly]

Miserly scrooge whomever that is.