Varjo Aero advice

[WinkleBrowWinkleBrown]

Does anyone have an up to date settings guide for the Varjo Aero in IL-2 ?

 

Am running a 5800x and 3070.

 

I am a newbie to this sim and this headset.

 

Thanks

 

 

[dburne]

2 hours ago, WinkleBrown said:

Does anyone have an up to date settings guide for the Varjo Aero in IL-2 ?

 

Am running a 5800x and 3070.

 

I am a newbie to this sim and this headset.

 

Thanks

 

 

 

There is a good guide for the Aero posted over on the DCS forums, much would apply with IL-2 as well.

Suggest you start with the basics and Steam VR, once running to your satisfaction then take a look at the Mod that allows one to bypass Steam VR using Open Composite and run it in Open XR.

Check out that thread on the Aero and see if it helps.

[Patricks]

4 minutes ago, dburne said:

 

There is a good guide for the Aero posted over on the DCS forums, much would apply with IL-2 as well.

Suggest you start with the basics and Steam VR, once running to your satisfaction then take a look at the Mod that allows one to bypass Steam VR using Open Composite and run it in Open XR.

Check out that thread on the Aero and see if it helps.

 

Hey Don, they ever get XRNS working well on the Aero?

 

2 hours ago, WinkleBrown said:

Does anyone have an up to date settings guide for the Varjo Aero in IL-2 ?

 

Am running a 5800x and 3070.

 

I am a newbie to this sim and this headset.

 

Thanks

 

 

 

No advice on setup, but in case no one mentions it, be SURE to kill all power to it after use as it has proven to be VERY susceptible to screen burn in after just a few hours.. 

[dburne]

8 minutes ago, Patricks said:

 

Hey Don, they ever get XRNS working well on the Aero?

 

 

 

Yeah I believe so several seem to be enjoying it. I gave it a try and really found I liked the simplicity of Steam VR myself. Not to say I won't try it again sometime down the road. I just wish both DCS and IL-2 would support Open XR natively - never been one much for Mods.

[Patricks]

4 minutes ago, dburne said:

 

Yeah I believe so several seem to be enjoying it. I gave it a try and really found I liked the simplicity of Steam VR myself. Not to say I won't try it again sometime down the road. I just wish both DCS and IL-2 would support Open XR natively - never been one much for Mods.

 

I think you will find it will become the standard at some point as it takes a whole layer of software out of the equation. I installed it "globally" and simply hit "Switch to Open Composite" for IL-2 Box and DCS, then hit "Switch to SteamVR" for IL-2 CloD VR beta (using OpenComposite Runtime Switcher). works the charm!

[dburne]

3 hours ago, Patricks said:

 

I think you will find it will become the standard at some point as it takes a whole layer of software out of the equation. I installed it "globally" and simply hit "Switch to Open Composite" for IL-2 Box and DCS, then hit "Switch to SteamVR" for IL-2 CloD VR beta (using OpenComposite Runtime Switcher). works the charm!

 

Not sure how it takes a layer of software out. Varjo Base - Steam VR - Game, or Varjo Base - Open Composite - Open XR - Game.

But granted yes in most cases the performance doing the Open XR route is a little better than in Steam VR.

Edited August 10, 2022 by dburne

[Patricks]

13 hours ago, dburne said:

 

Not sure how it takes a layer of software out. Varjo Base - Steam VR - Game, or Varjo Base - Open Composite - Open XR - Game.

But granted yes in most cases the performance doing the Open XR route is a little better than in Steam VR.

 

For the Varjo i'm not sure of the flow but for the HP G2 (WMR) it is explained well here..

[MAJ_Raptor]

Well i only need one kidney....  I am so tempted to pull the trigger on this

[SCG_Fenris_Wolf]

2 hours ago, Raptor82 said:

Well i only need one kidney....  I am so tempted to pull the trigger on this

Wait. There are better headsets about to get released for less this year and in Q1 '23.

[I.JG3_CDRSEABEE]

11 minutes ago, SCG_Fenris_Wolf said:

Wait. There are better headsets about to get released for less this year and in Q1 '23.

Do tell.....

[Dagwoodyt]

The percentage of Aeros being replaced or refunded will influence how long they stay in the marketplace. I have no expectation that there is something spectacular "just around the corner". As long as my Index keeps functioning I'm happy.

[Youtch]

12 hours ago, SCG_Fenris_Wolf said:

Wait. There are better headsets about to get released for less this year and in Q1 '23.

What are the headset coming soon which would be better?

[WIS-Redcoat]

7 hours ago, Youtch said:

What are the headset coming soon which would be better?

He's referring to the Cambria and alluding to the white paper rumors of this and that.  Ultimately its a risk adverse assertion because indeed the future will certainly bring better headsets.

 

It actually boils down to your personal value of time and money.  I have said, and continue to say that if you have the money and wanted the best headset for flight sims in 2022 then you should have bought the Aero.  All things considered, the Reverb G2 is certainly the wisest choice overall.

 

Cambria may certainly surprise us (as the quest 2 did me), but I don't see it being a better headset for flight sims.  We will see.

 

For me, if my Aero broke tomorrow I would buy another immediately because I won't go 6 months without having that quality experience.  

 

I am not an Aero grognard (heck, you can't even turn it off!), I have owned almost all the headsets since the original Rift and I have no doubt my headset of choice at the end of 2023 will be something different.  

Edited September 16, 2022 by WIS-Redcoat

[dburne]

There currently is no better headset on the market than the Aero especially in the resolution and clarity field, and likely not to be for a while yet. I personally do not see anything beating the Aero - for me - coming anytime soon. In fact direction of VR seems to be changing for some more to non native PC-VR which is a big no go for me.

 

However, whether the Aero is worth it to the individual is going to be very specific to the individual. Lot of money. I already had Index so already had the trackers and controllers to work with the Aero, and they work beautifully. Lighthouse 2.0 is still the best tracking system for PC-VR made, best in class.

 

Been running my Aero since Jan and have loved it ever since. Already had the trackers and controllers that came with my Index that I used. No way could I go back to Reverb G2, Vive Pro 2, or Index. Also please note Aero is not supported with AMD GPU's and likely will not be.

 

And I still maintain having said that, the Reverb G2 is the best bang for the buck native PC-VR headset on the market. And likely will remain that way for a while.

 

As far as this new Quest Pro (formerly Cambria) I "believe" it's main focus will be on a VR Interactive World and help define how folks (Avatars) mingle and play with each other (Avatars) in an upcoming world known as the Meta-Verse. Not to be confused with the Meta name for headsets, Meta Verse is being developed by several companies - including Varjo on the business side,

https://varjo.com/press-release/varjo-raises-40-million-series-d-funding-to-build-an-industrial-metaverse/

and Meta on the play side.

Meta ( Oculus) are looking now more toward trying to create a market rather than servicing an existing market. Oh they will try and do both a little at first, but make no mistake - their biggest end goal is the market they are trying to create and that remains to be seen how well that works out for them. Personally I think the Board at Meta are going to tire of Zuck's wild dreams and spending all that money at a great loss so far, and force his hand. I suspect they will end up with some kind of MR project to work with phones on this Meta Verse world. But that is only a suspicion I have, more of a gut feel.

 

Funny quick story - I was a huge Oculus fan of CV1 and Rift S - as others were bailing for other headsets namely Index and Reverb G1, I remained with Oculus and was criticized for doing so when so much better was out there like the Index and Reverb G1. But no I was one of the last few remaining loyalists to Oculus. Then that all changed with the Facebook Requirement, and I never looked back. Not one bit of Oculus software resides on my system any longer and likely never will. Or Meta.

 

But yeah sorry that is a lot of words, but really the Varjo Aero - is one helluva setup!

Need a strong CPU ( 5GHz+) and RTX 3090 GPU to really be able to enjoy it at decent settings. And there is a lot of room to grow in it as well (higher Pixel Densities). I can only imagine how much even better it will look with a 4090 GPU.

 

Edited September 16, 2022 by dburne

[dburne]

2 hours ago, WIS-Redcoat said:

He's referring to the Cambria and alluding to the white paper rumors of this and that.  Ultimately its a risk adverse assertion because indeed the future will certainly bring better headsets.

 

It actually boils down to your personal value of time and money.  I have said, and continue to say that if you have the money and wanted the best headset for flight sims in 2022 then you should have bought the Aero.  All things considered, the Reverb G2 is certainly the wisest choice overall.

 

Cambria may certainly surprise us (as the quest 2 did me), but I don't see it being a better headset for flight sims.  We will see.

 

For me, if my Aero broke tomorrow I would buy another immediately because I won't go 6 months without having that quality experience.  

 

I am not an Aero grognard (heck, you can't even turn it off!), I have owned almost all the headsets since the original Rift and I have no doubt my headset of choice at the end of 2023 will be something different.  

 

Not to worry Varjo support is pretty awesome, at least I found it to be.

Mine went bad several weeks ago and I was really frustrated. Opened a support ticked and mentioned it on Varjo Discord. Well let me tell ya the Varjo employee on Discord got right on it and had me send some log files and he deduced it had to be the cable or link box. He had the US site send me a new link box and cable next day air no charge of course. Turned out to just be Link Box. Been gaming heavily on it ever since. Based on all the reading i do of forums and Varjo Discord this does not seem to be a widespread issue, in fact so far have only seen mine and one other that failed.

 

But yeah my one support experience with Varjo was extremely positive. I know they have been slacking some as well, just hope they get back on it like they used to. Part of problem is that long summer holiday they take in Finland.

[Youtch]

Agree that Meta is a no go, especially being linked to FB account.

 

Is the Steam VR Deckard project of dead?

 

Any chance to see a HP G3, they must have sold so many headset on the mid spectrum of the market.

[dburne]

Have a look over on the Oculus General Community forum. In years past when a new headset was on the horizon and this close to release by Oculus, it would be ablaze with excitement and speculation. It would be all the talk.

 

Now have a look over there today - Quest Pro has one thread and three replies.

With a release of next month. Kind of sums it up.

[Irishratticus72]

26 minutes ago, dburne said:

Have a look over on the Oculus General Community forum. In years past when a new headset was on the horizon and this close to release by Oculus, it would be ablaze with excitement and speculation. It would be all the talk.

 

Now have a look over there today - Quest Pro has one thread and three replies.

With a release of next month. Kind of sums it up.

The specs look relatively good, the price, not so much.

35 minutes ago, Youtch said:

Agree that Meta is a no go, especially being linked to FB account.

 

Is the Steam VR Deckard project of dead?

 

Any chance to see a HP G3, they must have sold so many headset on the mid spectrum of the market.

You have the option to unlink any Facebook account for almost a month now.

1 hour ago, dburne said:

 

Not to worry Varjo support is pretty awesome, at least I found it to be.

Mine went bad several weeks ago and I was really frustrated. Opened a support ticked and mentioned it on Varjo Discord. Well let me tell ya the Varjo employee on Discord got right on it and had me send some log files and he deduced it had to be the cable or link box. He had the US site send me a new link box and cable next day air no charge of course. Turned out to just be Link Box. Been gaming heavily on it ever since. Based on all the reading i do of forums and Varjo Discord this does not seem to be a widespread issue, in fact so far have only seen mine and one other that failed.

 

But yeah my one support experience with Varjo was extremely positive. I know they have been slacking some as well, just hope they get back on it like they used to. Part of problem is that long summer holiday they take in Finland.

And also Finnish vodka being the second best vodka in the world.

[dburne]

54 minutes ago, Youtch said:

Agree that Meta is a no go, especially being linked to FB account.

 

Is the Steam VR Deckard project of dead?

 

Any chance to see a HP G3, they must have sold so many headset on the mid spectrum of the market.

 

I can't really comment on Steam Deckard as I really have not followed it.

I would love to see Valve do an Index 2.

HP - word "on the street" is they do not currently have an appetite for a G3. That is not official word mind you.

[dburne]

Finally an update from Varjo on Motion Reprojection/Smoothing:

 

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Motion prediction status update

During the past months, we have been working on improving motion prediction. We have made good progress but the new version is not yet in a quality that meets the high bar for our releases. To be able to bring the improvements to you as soon as possible, motion prediction is set as top priority for the next releases. We expect the fix to address several issues reported by this community, including:

- Image stutters when moving head
- Edges of moving objects appear wobbly
- In games that show a fast-moving background, the background image occasionally stops updating. This can be experienced for example in flight simulators when flying at high speeds.

 We are aiming to release a beta in 3.8.  We hope this information sets some clarity regarding the timeline and that it brings joy to hear that the long-awaited motion prediction is indeed happening.

Thank you for all the patience and the feedback that the community has provided. It has been helpful.

 

https://discord.com/channels/839478779256897546/953295284841115709/1027195580092518440

[slicktwitchy]

I just started playing Il2-I have been playing DCS for years. I have a solid rig (3090;6B Ram ,  OC'ed CPU etc); In DCS I got the aero working very well (using OpenXR etc). 

 

I was having some double image issues, and started "dinking" with IL2-tried to get Open XR to work etc. I messed with a few options (NVIDIA, Varjo Base...then Open XR toolkit options) and I messed something up. I have undone everything I can think of....But now (in Open XR  AND Steam VR) my framerates have dropped to slideshow levels. (25 FPS)-super choppy. After a Steam integrity check all is well (still double images of far away and fast moving planes) for one session, but after a restart of the game-the FPS  drops again. It's maddening. I know DCS pretty well, but IL2 is new to me. 

 

OK my fault of course....looks like I was using my DCS experience incorrectly. Both problems solved by only dropping the one open_vr.dll into the game folder. I was dropping 3 .dlls that I used in DCS.....stooopid

 

I can't run it through Steam (still massive stutters for some reason) so I lost a bunch of content-but still workable. 

Edited October 6, 2022 by slicktwitchy
Update

[SCG_motoadve]

9 hours ago, dburne said:

Finally an update from Varjo on Motion Reprojection/Smoothing:

 

 

https://discord.com/channels/839478779256897546/953295284841115709/1027195580092518440

Motion prediction is only going to work with supported games?

[dburne]

11 hours ago, SCG_motoadve said:

Motion prediction is only going to work with supported games?

 

I would imagine it would be about the same as Steam VR Motion Smoothing or Oculus ASW. They key will be how good does it run with it on.

Should not need any specific game support.

Edited October 6, 2022 by dburne

[dburne]

https://varjo.com/company-news/varjo-aero-becomes-available-to-gamestop-customers-in-north-america/

[dburne]

An update from Varjo posted on Discord this morning regarding the current issue with the Aero and 4090 GPU's.

 

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Arch ?? — Today at 7:45 AM
An update from the team
we are observing some change in flip behavior with new generation gpu that could be a cause for the stutters
We are testing possible fix later today

 

[Patricks]

3 hours ago, dburne said:

An update from Varjo posted on Discord this morning regarding the current issue with the Aero and 4090 GPU's.

 

 

 

Hope they sort it quickly for you guys! My next upgrade is a 4090 and i9-13900 5.8gz + matching Gigabyte MB (as it supports my DDR4 RAM), then see what VR brings next year (Aero 2? - ) but I should be able to crank up the resolution and quality of my G2 a bit for now..

[dburne]

An update from this morning - may be up to two weeks for a fix.

 

https://discord.com/channels/839478779256897546/852037353035005964/1032218076445413417

[Patricks]

2 minutes ago, dburne said:

An update from this morning - may be up to two weeks for a fix.

 

https://discord.com/channels/839478779256897546/852037353035005964/1032218076445413417

 

I have 100% confidence they will solve the issue, better to wait for the 4090 frenzy to die off anyway, though my local PC place has 3 models in stock, all for over €2k (including VAT so around €1750)!

[SCG_Fenris_Wolf]

On 10/19/2022 at 1:52 PM, Patricks said:

 

I have 100% confidence they will solve the issue, better to wait for the 4090 frenzy to die off anyway, though my local PC place has 3 models in stock, all for over €2k (including VAT so around €1750)!

Same with us, 4090s start at >2150€. 

[Patricks]

Well, Amazon just listed the i9-13900KF so I grabbed it along with a Gigabyte Z690 Gaming X which will accept my 64Gb DDR4 Ram. Using a Corsair iCUE H150- closed loop liquid cooler, hopefully can just drop it in and Win11 Pro will set itself up properly.. from what I have read it should. Then when 4090 prices drop back to reality i'll drop one in!

[chiliwili69]

2 hours ago, Patricks said:

i9-13900KF

 

That CPU with a 4090 is the perfect combination. I believe DDR4 RAM, today can perform equally good at IL-2 as it was shown in benchmarks of 12900K with DDR4 and DDR5.

[dburne]

From the Varjo Discord:

https://discord.com/channels/839478779256897546/852037353035005964/1034087442023723098

 

Arch ?? — Today at 8:54 AM

Update: Our preliminary tests show good results, but before we do public release we always conduct thorough testing with third party who per our request ordered 4090s for testing. And by thorough testing, I mean every aspect of the SW on all of the devices that we have produced. They should be getting their GPUs next week.  Since I know that there are several people who are having 4090s here and wait for the fix, we will include them in the beta testing from tomorrow. It will still require from you signing NDA with your legal name in order to prevent unreleased software from going around.  If you are having 4090 GPU, please DM me your email and other specs of the PC (CPU, MotherBoard model). I will send you the NDA and you will be included in the beta testers group after you send it back to me. It only applies to 4090 users, if you have different GPU, please do not try to participate, there is no benefit for users of previous GPUs.  (edited)
 

[WIS-Redcoat]

I do hope they hurry.  I just got my 4090 yesterday and obviously I didn't have the discipline to wait.  I haven't played in Il2 yet to see, but might do tonight.

 

The DCS benchmarks were pretty impressive.

[E69_Mijas]

Quiero actualizar mi equipo y comprar unas gafas aerodinámicas Varjo, quiero preguntarte sobre tu experiencia con il2 y las gafas Varjo.

¿Ya tienes habilitada la reproyección en las gafas?

¿Puedes comentar tus impresiones desde la última actualización de las gafas?

Do they already have the option to turn off or do they keep on all the time?

 

I7 13700kf, placa msi z790 ddr5, memoria ddr5, gráfica 4090 msi suprim x

Edited February 26, 2023 by E69_Mijas

[dburne]

English Forum.

[E69_Mijas]

I want to upgrade my gear and buy a varjo aero goggle, i want to ask you about your experience with il2 and varjo goggles.

Do you already have playback enabled on the glasses?

Can you comment on your impressions since the last update of the glasses?

Do they already have the option to turn off or do they stay on all the time?

 

I7 13700kf, msi z790 ddr5 board, ddr5 memory, 4090 msi suprim x graphics

Sorry