Pilot killed without being hit.

[Angry_Kitten]

haart, 

 

that first landing you did in the lil spitty,,   i was doing that sort of "pop a donut with a tail dragging in the dirt" in a 109 and 190 repeatedly,  and the moment the plane stopped and righted itself, i would get a HIT ESC PILOT HAS BEEN KILLED message. 

 

               that was during takeoff attempts loaded with bombs and full fuel.   how should you survive in a spit, but german pilots die?

 

You should try flying closer. I upped my convergence to 280 meters to deal with the default settings on the british sights, i used to fly 100 meters as i thought it was cute to see the bullet holes in engine cowlings. 

 

next time you feel bored, try landing with the tail on the ground, it actually works on american, british, and german planes. 

 

Russian planes arent working to the method, so im thinking its dependent on how much nose a plane has.

 

i spent my time counting smoke puffs.  and estimating for non HE by using standard belt patterns. 

1 hour ago, =RS=EnvyC said:

Mans is ok with faked MG131 but heaven forbid .50 performance matches real world data.

the real world data being used by the fanboys was literally comparing the in games FMJ ammunition type, to API, APIT, and AP used in korea,  and worse ones demanding it be changed to perform like pure incendiary hitting jet fuel... on a wing tip hit

[=RS=Haart]

2 minutes ago, pocketshaver said:

haart, 

 

that first landing you did in the lil spitty,,   i was doing that sort of "pop a donut with a tail dragging in the dirt" in a 109 and 190 repeatedly,  and the moment the plane stopped and righted itself, i would get a HIT ESC PILOT HAS BEEN KILLED message. 

 

               that was during takeoff attempts loaded with bombs and full fuel.   how should you survive in a spit, but german pilots die?

 

You should try flying closer. I upped my convergence to 280 meters to deal with the default settings on the british sights, i used to fly 100 meters as i thought it was cute to see the bullet holes in engine cowlings. 

 

next time you feel bored, try landing with the tail on the ground, it actually works on american, british, and german planes. 

 

Russian planes arent working to the method, so im thinking its dependent on how much nose a plane has.

 

Aircraft and loadout for the sake of testing then? I'm interested by what you mean as "tail on the ground" do you mean a 3 point landing? or are you talking "land with the tail wheel first and then slam down on the undercarriage?" Because literally 3:30 into that video I land a 3 point landing for the most part, favouring a little bit on the right wheel.

If you make a thread on here I'll happily continue this, but we've derailed the topic of OP's post enough as it is. If you haven't watch the video, it explains things more thoroughly than I can in text.

In all honesty though mate, download and apply TacView it helps.
https://www.tacview.net/download/latest/en/

[=RS=EnvyC]

6 hours ago, pocketshaver said:

i spent my time counting smoke puffs.  and estimating for non HE by using standard belt patterns. 

the real world data being used by the fanboys was literally comparing the in games FMJ ammunition type, to API, APIT, and AP used in korea,  and worse ones demanding it be changed to perform like pure incendiary hitting jet fuel... on a wing tip hit

No it wasn't, stop revising history you know full well that's a complete fabrication. Yak Panther supplied 1944 data showing what was in game wasn't even ARMOUR PIERCING rounds, it was BALL ammunition. It was corrected, and now the usual suspects are upset.

 

edit: thankyou QB for pointing out that Ball and FMJ are the same thing.

Edited February 5, 2022 by =RS=EnvyC

[86th_Buzzi]

7 hours ago, pocketshaver said:

 the real world data being used by the fanboys was literally comparing the in games FMJ ammunition type, to API, APIT, and AP used in korea,  and worse ones demanding it be changed to perform like pure incendiary hitting jet fuel... on a wing tip hit

 

You realize that the .50 cals in our game (specifically the guns on the mid/late war American/British birds) should actually be shooting some form of incendiary ammunition? Either a combo of AP and I belts, or pure API belts? The aircraft in the Bodenplatte and Normandy sets didn't use ball ammunition in air-air combat. The game's use of FMJ (ball ammunition) for these planes was wrong from the start. 

 

So yeah, people demanding a change to pure incendiary and API are simply wanting the correct ammunition.

Edited February 5, 2022 by QB.Buzzi

[357th_Dog]

7 hours ago, pocketshaver said:

 

 

i spent my time counting smoke puffs.  and estimating for non HE by using standard belt patterns. 

the real world data being used by the fanboys was literally comparing the in games FMJ ammunition type, to API, APIT, and AP used in korea,  and worse ones demanding it be changed to perform like pure incendiary hitting jet fuel... on a wing tip hit

You are lying.

 

The data comparison was FMJ(aka ball ammo) and AP, not API. This data was presented to the devs and they confirmed the discrepancy and corrected it. 
 

You are blatantly lying and trying to contort what happened.

 

 

 

[Angry_Kitten]

3 hours ago, QB.Buzzi said:

 

You realize that the .50 cals in our game (specifically the guns on the mid/late war American/British birds) should actually be shooting some form of incendiary ammunition? Either a combo of AP and I belts, or pure API belts? The aircraft in the Bodenplatte and Normandy sets didn't use ball ammunition in air-air combat. The game's use of FMJ (ball ammunition) for these planes was wrong from the start. 

 

So yeah, people demanding a change to pure incendiary and API are simply wanting the correct ammunition.

 

Yet if its only PROPER to change the american ammunition loadout from using early period FMj, and go with armor piercing or incendiary..  

 

WHY doesnt anyone else believe that BRITISH planes need to have AP and Incendiary  as well as colored tracer rounds? I suggested that in one of those endless threads on the 50 and was murdered for even suggesting such a waste of time.. 

 

No one really had the guts to explain why the british plane armed with 50 cals and 20mm hispanos required 59 hits with 50 bmg AND 54 hits with 20mm hispano ammo to kill a single plane. 

[354thFG_Rails]

You’re starting to make no sense. If anything most of the community would like to see incendiary ammo for all nations that used them. I’m not sure what you’re going on about now. 
 

p.s. the ammo for the spitfire that has the two 50’s is the same as the American planes. They used the same browning AN/M2

Edited February 5, 2022 by QB.Rails

[357th_Dog]

3 hours ago, pocketshaver said:

 

Yet if its only PROPER to change the american ammunition loadout from using early period FMj, and go with armor piercing or incendiary..  

 

WHY doesnt anyone else believe that BRITISH planes need to have AP and Incendiary  as well as colored tracer rounds? I suggested that in one of those endless threads on the 50 and was murdered for even suggesting such a waste of time.. 

 

No one really had the guts to explain why the british plane armed with 50 cals and 20mm hispanos required 59 hits with 50 bmg AND 54 hits with 20mm hispano ammo to kill a single plane. 

Not one single person has said the British shouldn't have API. Quite literally everyone who was advocating for API has said that everyone who used it, should have it. 

Again, the intentional misrepresentation rolls on. 

[354thFG_Drewm3i-VR]

5 hours ago, pocketshaver said:

 

Yet if its only PROPER to change the american ammunition loadout from using early period FMj, and go with armor piercing or incendiary..  

 

WHY doesnt anyone else believe that BRITISH planes need to have AP and Incendiary  as well as colored tracer rounds? I suggested that in one of those endless threads on the 50 and was murdered for even suggesting such a waste of time.. 

 

No one really had the guts to explain why the british plane armed with 50 cals and 20mm hispanos required 59 hits with 50 bmg AND 54 hits with 20mm hispano ammo to kill a single plane. 

Nice straw man, aka logical fallacy of distraction right there.

[=RS=EnvyC]

Curious, you only care about the Teaboo planes but not the glorious Slavic steeds of battle that have been missing API since the release of Stalingrad

 

Why don't you care about Shvak API smh my head