So VR.... I am absolutely Stunned

[KPnutskgwanchos]

Finally bit the bullet and got a second hand Q2... A link cable (cheap) and settled in for some painful fiddling with setting etc, I don't have a powerful rig just 2070s OC and l7 2600k OC to 4.2... I was managing expectations to say the least.  So imagine my surprise when I dropped in the cockpit of a Hurricane... And it looked close to absolutely real!.... Managed to take off and settled on 35 fps which looked surprisingly acceptable... But it was pretty choppy/glitchy at 100 feet over town/Harbour. So que a week of playing around with dozens of setting tweeks and hoping the motion sickness would settle (it is slowly) and finally arrived at ideal sweet spot for good looks and smooth play. I did all this testing at low level so once I was happy I thought let's have a look from higher up. So I start climbing into cloud on instruments mesmerised by how good those water droplets look. And I just keep climbing and climbing with no sign of breaking cloud... Just about to give up at 11k feet when we break out of the thunder head into glorious sunshine and an absolutely stunning late afternoon view across The Kuban coast.  Honestly devs I was almost tears... Thank you so much for making a life long dream a virtual reality. I get it now... VR is a hassle but my god is it worth it! Now.... I wonder if I can actually hit anything ?

[JLean]

Welcome to the "VR club". I remember similar feelings about year ago when I got my  first VR (Oculus Rift).

It is just amazing to be inside WW2 plane cockpit at the first time 

 

JLean 

 

 

 

   

[SAG]

You'll find gunnery to be much easier as well, aiming at lest, get on someone's 6 is up to you ? The difficult part will be spotting them before they spot you.

[KPnutskgwanchos]

Just now, SAG said:

You'll find gunnery to be much easier as well, aiming at lest, get on someone's 6 is up to you ? The difficult part will be spotting them before they spot you.

Yes I have heard spotting is really difficult in VR... I guess this technology will only get better and better now hopefully... Like mobile phones in the 80s looking like bricks... Hopefully in a few years we won't have to have bricks strapped to our faces! 

[SAG]

14 minutes ago, KPnutskgwanchos said:

Yes I have heard spotting is really difficult in VR... I guess this technology will only get better and better now hopefully... Like mobile phones in the 80s looking like bricks... Hopefully in a few years we won't have to have bricks strapped to our faces! 

 

I've heard that the Quest 2 is better wirelessly over VirtualDesktop or Airlink(?), if you have good fast 5Ghz(?)router. It will reduce compression of the images and blur, making it easier to spot. I don't have or had a Quest 2 so I'm just passing on some info I've heard that may help you.

[KPnutskgwanchos]

4 minutes ago, SAG said:

 

I've heard that the Quest 2 is better wirelessly over VirtualDesktop or Airlink(?), if you have good fast 5Ghz(?)router. It will reduce compression of the images and blur, making it easier to spot. I don't have or had a Quest 2 so I'm just passing on some info I've heard that may help you.

Interesting thanks.... I got confused by the airline versus cable argument and assumed the cable would be better. I do have a 5Ghz router right next to the PC so maybe that's deff worth a try ?

[Vishnu]

I tried my sons VR, and thought holy cra. So I went out and bought my own (Quest 2) ...I've waited 53 years for this...... I know how you feel...its absolutely incredible.   Once you go VR, you never go back....imagine what this tech will be like in another 53 years.

Edited January 22, 2022 by Vishnu

[Asgar]

I switched to using airlink fairly early on in my IL-2 VR career and it’s incredible. Quality is really good, Trackinggeschwindigkeit is superb and latency has never been an issue for me. It’s nice not to be tethered to anything

[KPnutskgwanchos]

2 minutes ago, Asgar said:

I switched to using airlink fairly early on in my IL-2 VR career and it’s incredible. Quality is really good, Trackinggeschwindigkeit is superb and latency has never been an issue for me. It’s nice not to be tethered to anything

Cool.... So did you actually notice an improvement in quality when you switched? 

[Hoss]

2 hours ago, Vishnu said:

I tried my sons VR, and thought holy cra. So I went out and bought my own (Quest 2) ...I've waited 53 years for this...... I know how you feel...its absolutely incredible.   Once you go VR, you never go back....imagine what this tech will be like in another 53 years.

USS Enterprise Holodeck.... walk out to your ride and climb in, touch all the buttons, knobs, stick, throttle......... sorry I won't live to see that level. 

[dgiatr]

4 hours ago, KPnutskgwanchos said:

Cool.... So did you actually notice an improvement in quality when you switched? 

I am also using Quest2 with cable and i am really intresteed in getting better image quality if possible by using airlink (probably less blurry image by avoiding video compression...) so if you have any news about that, please let us known...

Thank you!

[Lusekofte]

I fly with Rift S

I do it because I like being inside a ww2 cockpit.

I really do not like the rest that come with it.

 

[Tonester]

Yep VR is incredible…downside for me was i could no longer fly CLOD…hopefully team fusion have vr sorted for it soon

[Cravis]

I honestly envy people who can use VR without problems.

I tested it with my old Rift in IL2 and spatial perception greatly increased. Despite the poor resolution I was very quickly able to place shoots with which I usually have trouble on my flat TV.

 

The appalling downside to me and why I haven't replaced the Rift with anything more modern is that shortly after I got it I found out that I'm prone to motion sickness... that short duel with a 109 in IL2 for example caused nausea for 3 hours ?

I'm fine with VR games in which you basically stand in place and look around e.g. Beat Saber but racing and flight simulations are very different beasts. My brain sadly can't comprehend the fact I'm sitting still while pulling a 3G turn. 

 

My brother plans to buy the successor to the Valve Index which is rumoured to be released in 2022. When he does I will test that maybe increased VoF, resolution and response times will make it more bearable.

[Strewth]

3 hours ago, Tonester said:

Yep VR is incredible…downside for me was i could no longer fly CLOD…hopefully team fusion have vr sorted for it soon

Yes.
Especially because of their sounds in their BF109's.
Growl

 

I went with the HP Reverb G2 and must say that I cannot go back to anything else again.
I thought that the leap into track-IR in its day was great. But this is like the opium of flight simming. Once you have had it, you are doomed to the addiction.
Some days I just jump on and go for a fly to get away from everyone and escape.
Cheers

 

Edited January 23, 2022 by Strewth

[Asgar]

16 hours ago, KPnutskgwanchos said:

Cool.... So did you actually notice an improvement in quality when you switched? 

It certainly didn't get worse, but i had so little time with the cable before i got annoyed turning my head that i can't really say for certain

[KPnutskgwanchos]

1 hour ago, Cravis said:

I honestly envy people who can use VR without problems.

I tested it with my old Rift in IL2 and spatial perception greatly increased. Despite the poor resolution I was very quickly able to place shoots with which I usually have trouble on my flat TV.

 

The appalling downside to me and why I haven't replaced the Rift with anything more modern is that shortly after I got it I found out that I'm prone to motion sickness... that short duel with a 109 in IL2 for example caused nausea for 3 hours ?

I'm fine with VR games in which you basically stand in place and look around e.g. Beat Saber but racing and flight simulations are very different beasts. My brain sadly can't comprehend the fact I'm sitting still while pulling a 3G turn. 

 

My brother plans to buy the successor to the Valve Index which is rumoured to be released in 2022. When he does I will test that maybe increased VoF, resolution and response times will make it more bearable.

I feel your pain ... horrible feeling for sure ... but I researched it and Im convinced its a case of training your brain slowly to become accustomed to it. Short flights, gentle turns, no combat straight away .... its a bit like getting your sea legs (which I have from fishing boat) but in reverse. Ive been following this approach and Im sure its getting better each time I fly. Golden rule ... stop as soon as you start to feel sick ....       

[unlikely_spider]

2 hours ago, KPnutskgwanchos said:

I feel your pain ... horrible feeling for sure ... but I researched it and Im convinced its a case of training your brain slowly to become accustomed to it. Short flights, gentle turns, no combat straight away .... its a bit like getting your sea legs (which I have from fishing boat) but in reverse. Ive been following this approach and Im sure its getting better each time I fly. Golden rule ... stop as soon as you start to feel sick ....       

All true. I used to be able get that nauseous feeling started in my stomach when simply initiating a small roll of a few degrees when flying straight and level. Now I am doing rolling scissors dogfights while looking around frantically with absolutely no ill effect.

 

Take ginger tablets, or even non-drowsy Dramamine if it's bad. But just try until you feel a tiny bit nauseous, then stop. See if the sessions increase little by little over time. If so, you can likely train your brain out of it.

 

I also did this while playing Half Life Alyx. I switched a lot between smooth locomotion and teleport. Smooth made me sick, but that's how I wanted to play so I just did a little at a time and by the end of the game that was my primary method for movement.

Edited January 23, 2022 by unlikely_spider

[grcurmudgeon]

One other thing about VR and motion sickness is framerate and low-latency are key. This is why the original Occulus had the required specs for the PC it did - studies had shown that 90FPS was really key for keeping motion sickness down. I know players on here are fine with framerates lower than that, but for others hitting those high smooth framerates can be key to avoiding motion sickness.

That doesn't fix it for everyone, though, some are going to have trouble with it.

I've been lucky with the few times I've played VR, but certain first person shooters, especially those with camera bob (and movies that think shaky-cam is cool), give me issues on a regular monitor / TV.

[Blitzen]

?

[Knightmare]

I highly recommend slowly training your "VR legs". I found flying was incredibly overwhelming at first so I played other games and built up my tolerance. Now flying is the best experience in VR. Like others have mentioned there are great hacks to help nausea. Ginger tea / biscuits, medication and taking a break immediately when nausea kicks in. 

[No_Face]

In any case, it really makes you want to try VR. ?
One day I'll get around to it, I just need to update my PC.

[ITAF_Rani]

On 1/22/2022 at 5:46 PM, KPnutskgwanchos said:

Finally bit the bullet and got a second hand Q2... A link cable (cheap) and settled in for some painful fiddling with setting etc, I don't have a powerful rig just 2070s OC and l7 2600k OC to 4.2... I was managing expectations to say the least.  So imagine my surprise when I dropped in the cockpit of a Hurricane... And it looked close to absolutely real!.... Managed to take off and settled on 35 fps which looked surprisingly acceptable... But it was pretty choppy/glitchy at 100 feet over town/Harbour. So que a week of playing around with dozens of setting tweeks and hoping the motion sickness would settle (it is slowly) and finally arrived at ideal sweet spot for good looks and smooth play. I did all this testing at low level so once I was happy I thought let's have a look from higher up. So I start climbing into cloud on instruments mesmerised by how good those water droplets look. And I just keep climbing and climbing with no sign of breaking cloud... Just about to give up at 11k feet when we break out of the thunder head into glorious sunshine and an absolutely stunning late afternoon view across The Kuban coast.  Honestly devs I was almost tears... Thank you so much for making a life long dream a virtual reality. I get it now... VR is a hassle but my god is it worth it! Now.... I wonder if I can actually hit anything ?

Love read report from newcomers who fly first time in VR reality....I m envious because first time you have  discovered the sensation to fly " in"  thanks to VR. Wellcome in a game changer dimension...!!

Devs made a great job indeed..

Try VR and you ll never come back  !!

[III/JG52_Al-Azraq]

I also bit the bullet last week as the Reverb G2 were at 380 € on HP website in Spain. Too much of a good deal to pass on and also coincided with the 12700KF arriving so I went for it. The first time I sat in my 190's cockpit I was amazed, amazed and fascinated at the same time! The cockpits are small, so small that I had to check real pictures in order to believe. But as soon as I noticed that my real body fits right inside the cockpit it clicked and felt right from that moment.

 

After fiddling with all the options I decided to settle at 45 FPS with reprojection. Everything is amazing but one thing, which is that the enemy planes look pixelated until they are quite close but everything is a huge leap in immersion and totally worth it.

 

Like I told to my squad mates on my first proper sortie with VR on Combat Box: "Man, I can't believe I'm really flying a FW 190"

Edited January 25, 2022 by III/JG52_Al-Azraq

[SAG]

10 minutes ago, III/JG52_Al-Azraq said:

I also bit the bullet last week as the Reverb G2 were at 380 € on HP website in Spain. Too much of a good deal to pass on and also coincided with the 12700KF arriving so I went for it. The first time I sat in my 190's cockpit I was amazed, amazed and fascinated at the same time! The cockpits are small, so small that I had to check real pictures in order to believe. But as soon as I noticed that my real body fits right inside the cockpit it clicked and felt right from that moment.

 

After fiddling with all the options I decided to settle at 45 FPS with reprojection. Everything is amazing but one thing, which is that the enemy planes look pixelated until they are quite close but everything is a huge leap in immersion and totally worth it.

 

Like I told to my squad mates on my first proper sortie with VR on Combat Box: "Man, I can't believe I'm really flying a FW 190"

 

I've been in VR for a few years now with the CV1 and then the RiftS and planes really are pixelated in those older headsets, I also got a G2 but it's still in transit though so I expect the pixelation to be much better on this new headset. Look for distinguishing features, I know I know this is old advice but in the context of VR this means looking for two pixels under the wings that can stand for two radiators, look for an extra couple of pixels under the nose that can count for the typhoon's or tempest's intakes, etc, youll learn to ID better with time if you learn these pixels, of course, it may be different with the G2 but I don't know yet.

 

Also, can't you limit your FPS to something like 60 so that you dont have to use reprojection? I hear it tis very bad for sims and spotting, I don't know because I don't have that problem with my less demanding headset.

[III/JG52_Al-Azraq]

55 minutes ago, SAG said:

 

I've been in VR for a few years now with the CV1 and then the RiftS and planes really are pixelated in those older headsets, I also got a G2 but it's still in transit though so I expect the pixelation to be much better on this new headset. Look for distinguishing features, I know I know this is old advice but in the context of VR this means looking for two pixels under the wings that can stand for two radiators, look for an extra couple of pixels under the nose that can count for the typhoon's or tempest's intakes, etc, youll learn to ID better with time if you learn these pixels, of course, it may be different with the G2 but I don't know yet.

 

Also, can't you limit your FPS to something like 60 so that you dont have to use reprojection? I hear it tis very bad for sims and spotting, I don't know because I don't have that problem with my less demanding headset.

 

I just tried with MSAA x2 and planes look way less pixelated. It is much better now however performance decreases of course.

 

I can limit to 60 Hz and also I can hold 90 Hz if I decrease the SteamVR resolution (I have it at 100%) but maybe then pixels appear it again. I don't know, I have to test it further and see if I can keep 90 Hz with reprojection off.

 

Reprojection just causes an issue for me, which is that it makes planes flying fast opposite your direction create ghosting and that's about it.

 

Next thing I'll try is MSAA x2 and SteamVR resolution to 80% or so and see what happens.

[SAG]

9 minutes ago, III/JG52_Al-Azraq said:

Reprojection just causes an issue for me, which is that it makes planes flying fast opposite your direction create ghosting and that's about it.

 

This happens to me anyway and I don't have reprojection XD

 

What GPU are you using? I heard that Steam VR 50% resolution is actually the Reverb's native resolution iirc. are you ok with 60fps or do you need the 90 to feel comfortable?

[III/JG52_Al-Azraq]

15 minutes ago, SAG said:

 

This happens to me anyway and I don't have reprojection XD

 

What GPU are you using? I heard that Steam VR 50% resolution is actually the Reverb's native resolution iirc. are you ok with 60fps or do you need the 90 to feel comfortable?

 

I accepted reprojection so I can use 100% resolution. I feel comfortable with that. I have a 3070 Ti

 

However, I want to try decreasing the SteamVR resolution to 60% and check again those 90 Hz.

 

So you are suffering this effect even with reprojection off? Which frames are you getting?

Edited January 25, 2022 by III/JG52_Al-Azraq

[SAG]

2 hours ago, III/JG52_Al-Azraq said:

 

I accepted reprojection so I can use 100% resolution. I feel comfortable with that. I have a 3070 Ti

 

However, I want to try decreasing the SteamVR resolution to 60% and check again those 90 Hz.

 

So you are suffering this effect even with reprojection off? Which frames are you getting?

 

 

You can find my results here on line 18 of Syn_vander's benchmark. Perhaps they info there can be useful to you as well.

 

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gJmnz_nVxI6_dG_UYNCCpZVK2-f8NBy-y1gia77Hu_k/edit#gid=1266758920

[III/JG52_Al-Azraq]

2 minutes ago, SAG said:

 

 

You can find my results here on line 18 of Syn_vander's benchmark. Perhaps they info there can be useful to you as well.

 

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gJmnz_nVxI6_dG_UYNCCpZVK2-f8NBy-y1gia77Hu_k/edit#gid=1266758920

I didn’t know that list existed. Thanks a lot, it is going to be useful.

[SAG]

15 minutes ago, III/JG52_Al-Azraq said:

I didn’t know that list existed. Thanks a lot, it is going to be useful.

 

 

Here is a link to their thread

 

 

[56RAF_Roblex]

I had terrible results using Airlink even though I have a 5G router.  It would not even run SteamVR properly, but Virtual desktop works really well and I use it all the time with HalfLife:Alyx.  Unfortunately it does not work as well as using a cable when I play IL2.   With a cable I run it at the full native resolution of 5408x2736 and 72Hz but over WiFi it drops down to 35 and I see bad ghosting and stuttering so it is unplayable.

[nrosko]

Running @ locked 80FPS & 1.5 PD with an index. IMO its worth spending a bit of ££ for a capable system if you are using VR it makes the world of difference. 

[Soilworker]

On 1/22/2022 at 10:16 PM, 352nd_Hoss said:

USS Enterprise Holodeck.... walk out to your ride and climb in, touch all the buttons, knobs, stick, throttle......... sorry I won't live to see that level. 

 

Oh I don't know, you don't look that old in your profile picture ?

 

[Duncan_Doenitz]

Hi all,

 

Reading about the first time experiences made me smile. I got my VR kit a year ago and will never fly IL-2 or FS2020 in any other mode. I suggest you also try Google Earth in VR too, it's incredible to go anywhere and stand beside places you know. The summit of Everest takes some beating, not that I have ever been there in real life.

 

The motion sickness will take a bit of getting used to as will craning your neck in a dogfight to keep an eye on the opposition. You will however be able to do curved landing approaches maintaining a constant perspective, rolling out straight just before touchdown. Another neat trick in the cruise is to switch on the autopilot, stand up and walk along the wing. Just watch out for those mid-course turns !

[=RS=rulezcz]

While my first  Rift was on its way , I remeber googling questions like : " Is VR 3D ? "

And then it came.

After 20 seconds in 109 cockpit I just said one thing: "Oh, now I understand"

 

I don' t think googling can get you ready for sitting in the plane for the first time in your life.

Obviously the WOW factor will be blunted over time but there is no way back to 2D anyway .

 

BTW I highly recommend this, that was another WOW 15 minutes : https://store.steampowered.com/app/513490/1943_Berlin_Blitz/

 

 

 

Edited January 30, 2022 by =RS=rulezcz

[Strewth]

On 1/30/2022 at 6:21 PM, =RS=rulezcz said:

While my first  Rift was on its way , I remeber googling questions like : " Is VR 3D ? "

And then it came.

After 20 seconds in 109 cockpit I just said one thing: "Oh, now I understand"

 

I don' t think googling can get you ready for sitting in the plane for the first time in your life.

Obviously the WOW factor will be blunted over time but there is no way back to 2D anyway .

 

BTW I highly recommend this, that was another WOW 15 minutes : https://store.steampowered.com/app/513490/1943_Berlin_Blitz/

 

 

 

The 1943 Berlin Blitz is definitely worth the download and leaves a lump in your throat.

Thank you =RS=rulezcz for sharing this. I was not aware of this before. And although advertised as a game in steam, it really is a short documentary well worth watching.

Cheers.

Edited February 1, 2022 by Strewth

[BH_Adabadoo_VR]

On 1/22/2022 at 9:39 AM, SAG said:

 

I've heard that the Quest 2 is better wirelessly over VirtualDesktop or Airlink(?), if you have good fast 5Ghz(?)router. It will reduce compression of the images and blur, making it easier to spot. I don't have or had a Quest 2 so I'm just passing on some info I've heard that may help you.

It's better for comfort.

For compression link is better than airlink.  Virtual desktop does a pretty good job with compression too.  Link with bandwidth turned up has best image quality.

For many virtual desktop also introduces weird warping artifact of oval distortion to circular gauges when you tilt your head...

On 1/25/2022 at 8:57 AM, III/JG52_Al-Azraq said:

 

I accepted reprojection so I can use 100% resolution. I feel comfortable with that. I have a 3070 Ti

 

However, I want to try decreasing the SteamVR resolution to 60% and check again those 90 Hz.

 

So you are suffering this effect even with reprojection off? Which frames are you getting?

Are you using FSR scaling??  I avoid MSAA and use FXAA4x with lot's of FSR scaling.  FSR scaling really helps ALOT!

 

I have a 3090 now but still using FSR scaling and it lets you scale up way beyond 100% but you are rendering a bit below 100%.

If you render 70% but scale to 200% with FSR it's much better looking and better fps then 100% with now FSR scaling.

[Strewth]

On 1/23/2022 at 2:46 AM, KPnutskgwanchos said:

Finally bit the bullet and got a second hand Q2... A link cable (cheap) and settled in for some painful fiddling with setting etc, I don't have a powerful rig just 2070s OC and l7 2600k OC to 4.2... I was managing expectations to say the least.  So imagine my surprise when I dropped in the cockpit of a Hurricane... And it looked close to absolutely real!.... Managed to take off and settled on 35 fps which looked surprisingly acceptable... But it was pretty choppy/glitchy at 100 feet over town/Harbour. So que a week of playing around with dozens of setting tweeks and hoping the motion sickness would settle (it is slowly) and finally arrived at ideal sweet spot for good looks and smooth play. I did all this testing at low level so once I was happy I thought let's have a look from higher up. So I start climbing into cloud on instruments mesmerised by how good those water droplets look. And I just keep climbing and climbing with no sign of breaking cloud... Just about to give up at 11k feet when we break out of the thunder head into glorious sunshine and an absolutely stunning late afternoon view across The Kuban coast.  Honestly devs I was almost tears... Thank you so much for making a life long dream a virtual reality. I get it now... VR is a hassle but my god is it worth it! Now.... I wonder if I can actually hit anything ?

Welcome to the dark side my friend.

You do realise, of course, that there is no return from this journey? Life will never be the same again and you will never be able to truly grasp a joystick again without the assistance of VR?

As I just said, Welcome my friend.
 

[danielprates]

I have always wanted to try this but not looking at the keyboard seems like such a dowside... also I wear glasses. Anyone here does too?