Jet Planes

[jan-kanak]

There are two jet planes in Il2 sturmovit: Messerschmitt Me 262 and Arado Ar 234 will be a collector plane in Battle of Normandy. But what you think? Will be more DLC with jet planes in the futures? 

Tipe of planes like: Horten Ho 229, Heinkel He 162, Bereznyak-Isayev BI-1, Messerschmitt Me 163, Gloster Meteor, Yokosuka MXY-7 and more jet planes from world war two?

 

[Denum]

Depends what module they do next. 

No one really knows. 

My money is on 43 Malta however 

[I./JG52_Woutwocampe]

Maybe the Salamander. Maybe.

[AndyJWest]

Horton Ho 229 never flew, so I can't see that one happening.

 

He 162? Maybe. Would be nice.

 

Bereznyak-Isayev BI-1 unlikely, as historical records are scarce and it was only ever a prototype.

 

Messerschmitt Me 163? Rocket powered, not a jet, but again just maybe, though it really needs AI heavy bombers to do anything with.

 

Meteor would be nice, though it only saw limited service.

 

Yokosuka MXY-7? I very much doubt it (and again rocket-powered, rather than a jet). Too many issues...

[Trooper117]

You will only get another jet if it fits into one of the GB maps timeframe, and if it was operational. (Historically)

 

 

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

The most likely is probably a Meteor to balance the Allied v Axis plane sets. I don’t see any of the others having much commercial success. I think the series will continue to focus, generally, on the most fearsome piston powered aircraft the world has ever seen……as it should.

[Enceladus828]

5 minutes ago, AndyJWest said:

He 162? Maybe. Would be nice.

I would want to see the He-162 as a Collector plane if the devs do Battle of Berlin.

[Hoss]

P-80, was deployed to England and Italy. The one in England had a mishap, and did not see any use. The Italy P-80's is not covered well, but it did fly there.

[PatrickAWlson]

1 hour ago, AndyJWest said:

Messerschmitt Me 163? Rocket powered, not a jet, but again just maybe, though it really needs AI heavy bombers to do anything with.

This plane would certainly please those who think that missions are too long.

[ZachariasX]

1 hour ago, AndyJWest said:

Yokosuka MXY-7? I very much doubt it (and again rocket-powered, rather than a jet). Too many issues...

Issues? Like landing? But they are certainly great for the people who think Me163 missions are too long.

[CUJO_1970]

Would love to see the British Meteor.

 

Then, He-162 and Me-163...163 would be a riot.

[Dennis_Nedry]

Meteor and P-80 would be great collector aircraft but I would like more WW2 piston aircraft and scenarios first.

Edited January 8, 2022 by Dennis_Nedry

[Tonester]

I dont see the point...only real combat jets were LW and they were all about hitting the large bomber streams of which we have none,

and we never will due to the complexity of the FM and number of gunners..(though i dont understand why they dont just put out very

simplified 4 engine bombers..but, meh, thats just me)

I would rather see things like the Lysander, Whirlwind, Beaufighter, He112, just to name a few...would love to see the Uhu, and Schrage musik equipped

aircraft too but there again, bomber streams...it is what it is I guess and we are very fortunate to have what we have

 

[LukeFF]

1 hour ago, Tonester said:

dont see the point...only real combat jets were LW and they were all about hitting the large bomber streams of which we have none,

and we never will due to the complexity of the FM and number of gunners..

 

Ehh..no, that's not true. Half of the active Me 262s were flying ground attack missions, and there are plenty of opportunities to fly those sorts of missions even right now. On the Allied side, the Meteors were active from the summer of 1944, first flying both anti-V1 missions and later armed recon missions over the Rhineland in the spring of 1945. That's why I would like to see the Meteor added at some point - it would be a very good fit for both of the Western Europe maps.

[ShamrockOneFive]

If there's to be another jet, I'd love to see the Meteor. The first examples were in service by July 1944 and although their war record is a bit spotty it'd not be entirely out of the action in both Battle of Normandy and Battle of Bodenplatte scenarios. A flight of four were moved to Melsbrook (just south of Antwerp and on the map we have) in January 1945 but never ran into the Luftwaffe - thought they could have easily in a very slightly what-if scenario.

 

Scarcely faster than the high performance propeller fighters, it's also not like the Meteor would suddenly cause some sort of imbalance or be part of an arms race among the competitive side of things. I'd just like it because it's interesting (and also almost NEVER featured in a combat WWII sim).

Edited January 9, 2022 by ShamrockOneFive

[[F.Circus]FrangibleCover]

My preferred option for this has always been a spiritual successor to Il-2: 1946, in which all of the neat aircraft that kinda sorta saw combat service in Europe during WW2 get their day. Meteor, He 162, Ta 152, P-47M, Il-10, maybe YP-80, that sort of thing. Aircraft that were around but never broke the ~100 in operational service mark. Good excuse for a semi-what-if Soviet Kingcobra too.

[Guster]

Personally I'm not that interested in WWII-jets, and there's still a lot of piston-engine stuff I'd love to see, MTO or CBI hint-hint.

 

Jet-wise I would much rather see the series venture into the Korean War, eventually, maybe, possibly, in a far future.

[Asgar]

1 hour ago, [F.Circus]FrangibleCover said:

My preferred option for this has always been a spiritual successor to Il-2: 1946, in which all of the neat aircraft that kinda sorta saw combat service in Europe during WW2 get their day. Meteor, He 162, Ta 152, P-47M, Il-10, maybe YP-80, that sort of thing. Aircraft that were around but never broke the ~100 in operational service mark. Good excuse for a semi-what-if Soviet Kingcobra too.

Do 335

[jollyjack]

11 hours ago, LukeFF said:

.... That's why I would like to see the Meteor added at some point - it would be a very good fit for both of the Western Europe maps.

 

I was given this dinky toy one when in primary school for Santa, it's lost between time & space now alas. Would be fun to see it again:

 

[Guster]

17 hours ago, Denum said:

Depends what module they do next. 

No one really knows. 

My money is on 43 Malta however 

 

A Tunisia/Malta/Sicily map would even support scenarios from 1940 until 1943. That's a lot of action for one map.

[Bremspropeller]

The only jet I'm interested in is the Thunderquack.

[Avimimus]

He-162 would be fun. The Me-163 is missing a target (it was mainly intended to attack bombers). Do-335 and Ta-152 had a chance of entering service. The Meteor and P-80 actually did, but the Meteor took time to mature (so it might be worth saving the development effort for a Cold War/Korea scenario - although admittedly the Korean war era Meteor F.Mk.8 was very different from the WW2 era Meteor).

 

2 hours ago, [F.Circus]FrangibleCover said:

My preferred option for this has always been a spiritual successor to Il-2: 1946, in which all of the neat aircraft that kinda sorta saw combat service in Europe during WW2 get their day. Meteor, He 162, Ta 152, P-47M, Il-10, maybe YP-80, that sort of thing. Aircraft that were around but never broke the ~100 in operational service mark. Good excuse for a semi-what-if Soviet Kingcobra too.

 

Yes, a Berlin Crisis scenario in 1948 could work... Il-10, F-80, Mig-9, Yak-15, Meteor, Vampire... extend it to the Korean war era and you can add the Mig-17, La-15, Il-28, early daylight Canberra version... maybe an F-84 variant... it is interesting.

[Voidhunger]

I would like to have Heinhel and Meteor...and of course my beloved Komet (bu i do agree that without bombers its pointless)

2 minutes ago, Avimimus said:

He-162 would be fun. The Me-163 is missing a target (it was mainly intended to attack bombers). Do-335 and Ta-152 had a chance of entering service. The Meteor and P-80 actually did, but the Meteor took time to mature (so it might be worth saving the development effort for a Cold War/Korea scenario - although admittedly the Korean war era Meteor F.Mk.8 was very different from the WW2 era Meteor).

 

 

Yes, a Berlin Crisis scenario in 1948 could work... Il-10, F-80, Mig-9, Yak-15, Meteor, Vampire... extend it to the Korean war era and you can add the Mig-17, La-15, Il-28, early daylight Canberra version... maybe an F-84 variant... it is interesting.

Ta152 entered service

[Avimimus]

Yes, I meant 'enter service in meaningful numbers'. Technically the Ta-152 and He-162 both entered service with operational units! That said, I tend to think of the Ta-152C (as it is the most appropriate variant for the altitudes this sim series focusses on) and it didn't reach operational units. The Do-335 was also in production (with pre-production aircraft encountering Allied fighters during test flights).

[Halon]

Apart from the Meteor I would be interested in more bombers personally, allied especially. Although a good heavy is off the cards unfortunately.

[BlitzPig_EL]

[Beebop]

14 hours ago, Tonester said:

Lysander, ...Beaufighter, ...the Uhu

Yes, Yes and Yes

 

3 hours ago, [F.Circus]FrangibleCover said:

P-47M, Il-10

Yes and Yes

2 hours ago, Asgar said:

Do 335

Yes.

[Trooper117]

No IL2 1946 from me... I'd only sanction something like that if all the WWII scenarios and much needed operational types with far more value were put into the game.

(But I'm not in charge of course )

I'd look at Korea, as that is a historical theatre with jets and props... but 'what if' scenarios and aircraft would not be on my hitlist...

[Alexmarine]

22 minutes ago, Trooper117 said:

 

I'd look at Korea, as that is a historical theatre with jets and props... but 'what if' scenarios and aircraft would not be on my hitlist...

 

Korea would be a personal dream coming true for me but I don't think I'll see it modelled in a modern flight sim for the time being ?

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

35 minutes ago, Alexmarine said:

 

Korea would be a personal dream coming true for me but I don't think I'll see it modelled in a modern flight sim for the time being ?

I think it’s a long way down the road but the Korea is Hans’ dream scenario as much as the Pacific is Jason’s passion. The 262 was at least partially created to explore near sonic parameters, with this game engine, for Korea as it was to just give us a shiny new plane to fly about in. 

Edited January 9, 2022 by II/JG17_HerrMurf

[[F.Circus]FrangibleCover]

1 hour ago, Voidhunger said:

Ta152 entered service

 

1 hour ago, Avimimus said:

Yes, I meant 'enter service in meaningful numbers'. Technically the Ta-152 and He-162 both entered service with operational units! That said, I tend to think of the Ta-152C (as it is the most appropriate variant for the altitudes this sim series focusses on) and it didn't reach operational units. The Do-335 was also in production (with pre-production aircraft encountering Allied fighters during test flights).

 

All of these aircraft entered service, that's my point. The 335, so far as I can tell, never actually went into combat and instead just ran away from things. The He 162, Ta 152H and P-47M all had a Wing strength unit operational over Europe in May 1945 and saw air combat, the Meteor only had the aircraft forward at Melsbroek technically but there were still hundreds in ADGB, I can't remember how many Il-10s actually got going but it was something around a Wing. This isn't a fictional scenario module idea, this is an idea for a module which spotlights the rare and weird aircraft without necessarily having to tie them all to a map or theatre outside of 'Late War Superplanes'.

[Alexmarine]

9 minutes ago, II/JG17_HerrMurf said:

I think it’s a long way down the road but the Korea is Hans’ dream scenario as much as the Pacific is Jason’s passion. The 262 was at least partially created to explore near sonic parameters, with this game engine, for Korea as it was to just give us a shiny new plane to fly about in. 

 

Guess I missed the part about Hans really wishing to see Korea in the game, hopefully one day 

 

Tbf, I would like to fly the props as much as the jets: wouldn't mind fly strike missions in a Corsair or in a Skyraider... We could get even some Sea Furies, Fireflies, F-51s... Ok, I'll stop 

 

[SharpeXB]

14 hours ago, LukeFF said:

Half of the active Me 262s were flying ground attack missions

Due to orders from a certain military genius ?

Edited January 9, 2022 by SharpeXB

[BlitzPig_EL]

 

YP 80s flying near Mt. Vesuvius, 1945.

35 minutes ago, Alexmarine said:

 

Tbf, I would like to fly the props as much as the jets: wouldn't mind fly strike missions in a Corsair or in a Skyraider... We could get even some Sea Furies, Fireflies, F-51s... Ok, I'll stop 

 

 

 

F 82 Twin Mustangs as well...

[Rjel]

In a post or maybe a discussion with ShamrockOneFive some time ago, I thought Jason had made mention of interest in a 1946 type scenario? While others might find that historically disdainful, I always have enjoyed the what ifs of history. I do hope we get to Korea at some point in my life time. Then again, I'm not getting any younger so please keep that in mind if that helps in the decision making. Flying F-86s, F-84s and F-80s not to mention all the late war WWII era props would be most enjoyable. As a plus, if the same integration method of new content being added to what previously exists were continued, then we would have the WWII 1946 scenario by default.

 

But to go along with others, there are many WWII era A/C still needed. Both late and early. I would love to see the P-47M introduced along with the later war Italian fighters that look so cool.

 

 

Edited January 9, 2022 by Rjel
Grammer.

[Soilworker]

18 hours ago, Tonester said:

though i dont understand why they dont just put out very

simplified 4 engine bombers..but, meh, thats just me

 

 

Yeah I think it would be at least better none at all. 

 

(Also 163! ?) 

[Avimimus]

3 hours ago, II/JG17_HerrMurf said:

I think it’s a long way down the road but the Korea is Hans’ dream scenario as much as the Pacific is Jason’s passion. The 262 was at least partially created to explore near sonic parameters, with this game engine, for Korea as it was to just give us a shiny new plane to fly about in. 

 

Interesting. I didn't know about that - but I do know that they'd mentioned the possibility. Hence why I'm subtly (or not-so-subtly) raising the benefits of also doing a contemporary companion European scenario that would be more balanced, and would include more British/Soviet aircraft.

 

So long as they stick to daylight fighting prior to ~1955 they shouldn't have to deal with radars (except for gun-ranging radars and altimeters)... even the early Canberrra and Il-28 were basically using WW2 technologies.

 

Of course, that'd mean about four years of early Cold War jets... so it might be good to do '45 East first or Leningrad or Italy.

[Elem]

On 1/8/2022 at 8:03 PM, AndyJWest said:

Bereznyak-Isayev BI-1 unlikely, as historical records are scarce and it was only ever a prototype.

Also rocket propelled, not jet.

[AndyJWest]

14 minutes ago, Elem said:

Also rocket propelled, not jet.

 

Yup. An interesting project, but fortunately the Soviets had the sense not to pursue it while they had higher priorities. 

[Missionbug]

Strange the Meteor never got into the stock 1946, it should have had a place in the official set, I would for one would like to see it added it here in the Great Battles series though as it does have a place.

 

As far as Korea goes, not for me personally but there is really no reason why the team should not go there or anywhere else, there will I am sure be a market for it as there would for the modern jet age, however, most of us old guys just like WWII aircraft the most and those theaters of war, IL-2 has always provided those and left others to do the other stuff.

 

At the end of the day though they will do whatever it takes to keep bread on the table and the lights on and if we are all honest providing we could actually afford to fund it I think we would all go along with that, tanks and WWI are already available and many like them, many of us bought in even if we do not use them because it all adds up to a interesting set of games overall that provide plenty of variety and all in one way or another are interlinked to our interest in aviation and the wars in general.

 

The trick at the end of the day is not to over reach yourself and your goals as a company and alienate those who provide most of the support, we all have various games/sims from various developers and like each for what it is, deciding where to draw the line is essential.

 

For what it is worth I think IL_2 1946 tapped into our wonder of those paper or limited run aircraft of that time, there is a Luft46 in all of us as can been seen at many modelling shows world wide, they did a very good job of combining all that had gone before into that last major release with those what if types, let us hope the longevity of this series is as good and interesting.

 

Take care and be safe.

 

Wishing you all the very best, Pete.