f-6f as a BoN collector plane

[Badger1_1]

since the hellcat saw limited use in the normandy invasion and after (to my knowledge) i think it could be cool to have. we didnt have the f-6f in a proper sim since il-2 1946 and im sure many people will be interested

[Alexmarine]

Let's save it for BoT (Battle of Tirpitz) 

[=621=Samikatz]

The Hellcats over France were mostly in the south for Dragoon, weren't they? Wouldn't be on our Normandy map

[Badger1_1]

i confess i didnt do much research on the subject but from what i understand hellcats covered the flanks of the fleet during the initial invasion

[gimpy117]

honestly we have some relaxed realism when it comes to the Arado being used, so why not a hellcat? all proceeds go to hopefully pacific some day? 

[DBFlyguy]

I'd buy it.  Three pretty interesting articles covering Royal Navy and US Navy Hellcat operations in Europe:

 

https://www.historynet.com/when-hellcats-took-the-fight-to-the-luftwaffe.htm

 

https://www.history.navy.mil/content/dam/nhhc/browse-by-topic/commemorations/commemorations-toolkits/wwii/articles-on-world-war-ii-naval-aviation/pdf/ww2-30.pdf

 

http://fly.historicwings.com/2012/08/navy-hellcats-over-france/

Edited January 6, 2022 by DBFlyguy

[gimpy117]

18 minutes ago, DBFlyguy said:

I'd buy it.  Three pretty interesting articles covering Royal Navy and US Navy Hellcat operations in Europe:

 

https://www.historynet.com/when-hellcats-took-the-fight-to-the-luftwaffe.htm

 

https://www.history.navy.mil/content/dam/nhhc/browse-by-topic/commemorations/commemorations-toolkits/wwii/articles-on-world-war-ii-naval-aviation/pdf/ww2-30.pdf

 

http://fly.historicwings.com/2012/08/navy-hellcats-over-france/

indeed. according to Wikipedia Hellcats from USS Kasaan Bay were over Normandy  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Kasaan_Bay

Edited January 6, 2022 by gimpy117

[AndyJWest]

6 minutes ago, gimpy117 said:

indeed. according to Wikipedia Hellcats from USS Kasaan Bay were over Normandy  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Kasaan_Bay

 

I think you've misread. The article says that the Kasaan Bay  took part in Operation Dragoon, the landings in the south of France, rather than the Normandy landings.

[gimpy117]

Just now, AndyJWest said:

 

I think you've misread. The article says that the Kasaan Bay  took part in Operation Dragoon, the landings in the south of France, rather than the Normandy landings.

ahh, my mistake 

[Badger1_1]

so from what i understand the hellcats flew outside of our normandy/bodenplatte map? i still think we should get them 

[molodoi]

1 hour ago, Badger1_1 said:

so from what i understand the hellcats flew outside of our normandy/bodenplatte map? i still think we should get them 

Yes, they flew 1000 km south of the Normandy, Bodenplatte maps

[Eisenfaustus]

If PTO eventually gets made I‘d prefer to have the Hellcat as core module plane. Yet if PTO is definitely off the table I think the same stretch by which the 190 was integrated into BoS would be feasible here. 
 

But as far as I understand Hellcats operated from carriers during dragoon? So even if Hellcats were pressed into Normandy just to be there you still needed carriers, right?

 

If so the cost/benefit equation doesn’t seem to add up. 

[Props]

As much as I would love to see a Hellcat in the sim, I really do not want the devs to waste their valuable time on it if there is no appropriate PTO map and set of corresponding enemy aircraft to go with it. The Hellcat does not fill a hole in any of the current maps or in Normandy for that matter so for the devs to take time to build one seems a bit superfluous right now.  They are busy as it is with a lot of good stuff in the pipeline. So I can hope and wait for it when the time is right.

[RNAS10_Oliver]

On 1/5/2022 at 4:44 PM, Badger1_1 said:

i confess i didnt do much research on the subject but from what i understand hellcats covered the flanks of the fleet during the initial invasion

 

4 hours ago, Badger1_1 said:

so from what i understand the hellcats flew outside of our normandy/bodenplatte map? i still think we should get them 

 

3 hours ago, molodoi said:

Yes, they flew 1000 km south of the Normandy, Bodenplatte maps

And about 300 miles to the West of Normandy. There have been numerous posts already with the idea of having the Hellcat in Normandy. Sure Hellcats participated in Neptune but nowhere near Normandy or any of the map we have.

 

[=621=Samikatz]

If you want an American naval airplane over Normandy then I would humbly suggest the Avenger? One even shot down a V-1

[RNAS10_Oliver]

52 minutes ago, =621=Samikatz said:

If you want an American naval airplane over Normandy then I would humbly suggest the Avenger? One even shot down a V-1

 

 

Yep that would do. Used from shore bases that should exist on the Normandy map.

 

 

[LukeFF]

7 hours ago, Badger1_1 said:

so from what i understand the hellcats flew outside of our normandy/bodenplatte map? i still think we should get them 

 

The ones that were anywhere near France faced practically zero enemy opposition in the air so...nah, no thanks. This is a plane meant for a Pacific title, full stop.

[Badger1_1]

ok so no hellcats..... fine. e 

[BMA_FlyingShark]

Like several of the guys already said, this is a great plane and it would be fun to fly it...over the Pacific where it belongs.

I have zero interest in getting it without the appropriate theater.

 

Have a nice day.

 

Edited January 10, 2022 by FlyingShark

[354thFG_Drewm3i-VR]

On 1/7/2022 at 5:58 AM, Eisenfaustus said:

If PTO eventually gets made I‘d prefer to have the Hellcat as core module plane. Yet if PTO is definitely off the table I think the same stretch by which the 190 was integrated into BoS would be feasible here. 
 

But as far as I understand Hellcats operated from carriers during dragoon? So even if Hellcats were pressed into Normandy just to be there you still needed carriers, right?

 

If so the cost/benefit equation doesn’t seem to add up. 

They could release different variants though, no? Or maybe just do the corsair/p-40n/p-39q instead as core planes if they go pacific? Two of the most common were the f6f-3 and f6f-5. Not sure of the difference.

Edited January 11, 2022 by -332FG-drewm3i-VR

[Eisenfaustus]

6 hours ago, -332FG-drewm3i-VR said:

They could release different variants though, no? Or maybe just do the corsair/p-40n/p-39q instead as core planes if they go pacific? Two of the most common were the f6f-3 and f6f-5. Not sure of the difference.

I‘m don’t know enough about hellcats to judge wether this is a sensible  option - might be of course!

[Bremspropeller]

HELLCATS!

On 1/7/2022 at 5:49 PM, LukeFF said:

The ones that were anywhere near France faced practically zero enemy opposition in the air

 

Sounds like the ideal tour of duty to me. Liberty in Nice and home by Christmas.

Where do I sign?

 

[Confused_2018]

I have no idea as to development costs, but the P&W radial already exists barring some minor changes for the Avenger, Corsair and Hellcat.  That would reduce development time and costs right there.

 

I understand historical accuracy, but one of the reasons I still play 1946 with mods is: I can fly a Hellcat vs a 109 or 190 or get after those 111's or setup a Zero vs 109 fight cause it is fun.

 

Just my 2 cents

[Vig]

Exactly.  This is a sandbox as well as a simulator.

[Gambit21]

 

Nobody but nobody is a bigger PTO nut than me, but the Devs are as likely to do this...

 

 

 

 

 

...as they are to give us a Hellcat before PTO. For a variety of reasons.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited January 12, 2022 by Gambit21

[Voyager]

On 1/7/2022 at 10:49 AM, LukeFF said:

 

The ones that were anywhere near France faced practically zero enemy opposition in the air so...nah, no thanks. This is a plane meant for a Pacific title, full stop.

You can do both. Hellcats were in the Royal Navy Fleet Air Arm, so most likely we'd see the British configurations as collector planes and the USN main line versions in the Pacific. 

 

This is more true of the Corsair and Wildcat, however, as the British Corsiars had modified wings to fit the RN carriers, while the export Wildcats had significant equipment changes due to export restrictions at the time. 

 

Looking at the Hellcat, it seems by the time they were shipping, we were shipping common versions to both fleets. 

 

That said, if we do go to Italy after Normandy, there would be more room for RN planes. Would need to check to see if RN He'll cats and Corsiars got down there. 

[Ribbon]

As part of the standard PTO planeset yes ?

[Confused_2018]

As I said in another thread, do the players want this to remain a mainly ETO based game?  It makes no sense to me  to ignore  one of the other main theaters of operations.  Sure there are some challenges re maps etc, however, the devs jobs are to create things that we will buy.  How many except the most hardcore will buy the 80th version (sarcasm) of the Spitfire or the 109?  How many would buy in stages a Corsair, Zero, KI-61, Betty etcetc.

 

Collector planes sell don't they? Is the requirement for historical accuracy choking this game?

 

I would eventually love to fly a Mossie under the Eiffel tower, or recreate the P-51b Berlin express Eiffel tower moment.  One day I have to make it to Paris irl. :-)

 

I freely admit to being focused on the western side of things, not looking too much at the eastern front. I hope that I will gain an interest there.

[Feldgrun]

The Ulster Aviation Society has a Grumman Wildcat FM-1 in their museum outside of Belfast. It apparently was stationed at RAF Long Kesh in Northern Ireland, near the current museum, when it was ditched in a lake by its pilot, and sat in the mud until it was recovered and restored in 2019. The museum says, "it was a very good naval fighter aircraft which could give a good account of itself, even against Spitfires." 

 

I'd love to see it added as a collector aircraft, which could be used historically in the Normandy map, and might suggest the coming of a Pacific map in the future.

[LukeFF]

1 hour ago, Feldgrun said:

I'd love to see it added as a collector aircraft, which could be used historically in the Normandy map

 

Sorry, but it would have seen very little to no use over Normandy. This is a plane meant for a Pacific scenario.

Edited March 16, 2022 by LukeFF