4.702 has killed my fps!

[butcherbird88]

before the update stable fps between 60 and 80 now I am between 30 and 40 a solution?

before the update stable fps between 60 and 80 now I am between 30 and 40 a solution?

[Denum]

Hang tight, 

 

I was peeking the RU forum and there seems to be something up with the haze. 

 

Might be the cause of your FPS issues. 

 

I lowered my shadows from Ultra to High and gained a few FPS for now. 

 

If that doesn't do it you'll have to likely wait for the hot fix. 

 

Edited January 2, 2022 by Denum

[BlitzPig_EL]

This is so odd.  None of the Pigs are having issues with lower FPS, except for one, and that's because he turned up several settings, but he never gets below 60 and he is running a 980.  Is everyone that is having frame rate issues on VR?

[butcherbird88]

j'ai reinstaler le jeux mes rien na changer, oui peut etre attendre le prochain correctif

je navait pas de brume c'etais un temp clair

je ne joue pas en vr

je suis en 4k parametre au maximum sauf ombre en elever et distance de vegetation en normal

j'ai tester en 2k jai gagner a peine 10 fps je suis sur une rx 6800xt 

[Mtnbiker1998]

One of my flying buddies had some fps issues since the update. I might have a bit more stutters than usual, but it could just be the settings I tweaked since the cloud update. 

 

Hard to say, but if others are having issues then it might be worth the dev's looking into

[BBAS_Tiki_Joe]

Experiencing the same in VR, its not game stopping terrible but I've lost about 5-9 FPS. Seems more up and down. Like before I was getting a solid 65-70 and now it is a 65, but dips down to 45/50. Goes up and down like crazy, which it did not before the last patch, seems less stable and jumps a lot more than before. It has pretty much just gone back to pre-patch 4.701(The clouds update) for me. 4.701 was a huge step up, and my PC loved that patch. I was rocking solid and the game looked beautiful and ran soo smooth. the last hotfix just sent it back to where we it was before the cloud update. No setting changes. Hardware: 3080ti, 32GB DDR4, i9-1900kf@5Ghz HMD:Index.

[354thFG_Drewm3i-VR]

I've also lost 10 or so fps in vr and the haze is terrible.

[dgiatr]

I have exactly the same problem here!!!!

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Experiencing the same in VR, its not game stopping terrible but I've lost about 5-9 FPS. Seems more up and down. Like before I was getting a solid 65-70 and now it is a 65, but dips down to 45/50. Goes up and down like crazy, which it did not before the last patch, seems less stable and jumps a lot more than before. It has pretty much just gone back to pre-patch 4.701(The clouds update) for me. 4.701 was a huge step up, and my PC loved that patch. I was rocking solid and the game looked beautiful and ran soo smooth. the last hotfix just sent it back to where we it was before the cloud update. No setting changes. Hardware: 3080ti, 32GB DDR4, i9-1900kf@5Ghz HMD:Index.

 

[NanashiAnjin]

Same, playing in vr, and now have massive drops especially when there are 4 planes in the area. Sometimes as low as 40fps (from 72) 

 

Flying trough/near the  clouds with a friendly plane next to me gave me my full fps tough. 

So it triggered when there were some more planes in the area. 

[FlyingH]

I´m wondering when you talk about fps dropping is it the number showing on screen or do you experience it? I mean I have always had the same fluent "film" as long as my fps are above 25fps so I don´t understand the complaint about loosing 5 - 9 fps or going from 65-70 to sometimes 45-50. Does it affect your flying? Or in some cases fps over 100 dropping to below 90, does it affect anything besides the numbers shown on screen? Does the game become unplayable? (I guess if it drops to below 20 it would, Though)

Edited January 3, 2022 by FlyingH

[Guster]

18 minutes ago, FlyingH said:

I´m wondering when you talk about fps dropping is it the number showing on screen or do you experience it? I mean I have always had the same fluent "film" as long as my fps are above 25fps so I don´t understand the complaint about loosing 5 - 9 fps or going from 65-70 to sometimes 45-50. Does it affect your flying? Or in some cases fps over 100 dropping to below 90, does it affect anything besides the numbers shown on screen? Does the game become unplayable? (I guess if it drops to below 20 it would, Though)

 

I suppose most people prefer fps above 60 for fluid gameplay. It's not quite the same as the old 24 fps cinema standard, but don't ask me about the science behind this.

 

I'm getting about 70-80 with the Rheinland map in all weather conditions, but if I do a low pass over a large city it drops to the low 60s and sometimes even the low 50s for a brief moment with the occasional micro second stutter and i can definitely feel that, like the game becomes just a little bit sluggish.

[BBAS_Tiki_Joe]

52 minutes ago, FlyingH said:

I´m wondering when you talk about fps dropping is it the number showing on screen or do you experience it? I mean I have always had the same fluent "film" as long as my fps are above 25fps so I don´t understand the complaint about loosing 5 - 9 fps or going from 65-70 to sometimes 45-50. Does it affect your flying? Or in some cases fps over 100 dropping to below 90, does it affect anything besides the numbers shown on screen? Does the game become unplayable? (I guess if it drops to below 20 it would, Though)

 

It's def. not the worst thing in the world but you do see it. So I'd rather have a lower locked in frame rate than one that goes wildly up and down and that is what I'm experiencing now. When the FPS change that drastically back and forth you can see the planes warp/ghost/stutter and it takes you out of the experience. But just like a said in my original post, it's currently not the worst thing in the world, it just sucks that it went from absolutely fantastic performance to just good/acceptable performance. Like the old adage, I've already seen the mountain top and I want to go back?

[NanashiAnjin]

1 hour ago, FlyingH said:

I´m wondering when you talk about fps dropping is it the number showing on screen or do you experience it? I mean I have always had the same fluent "film" as long as my fps are above 25fps so I don´t understand the complaint about loosing 5 - 9 fps or going from 65-70 to sometimes 45-50. Does it affect your flying? Or in some cases fps over 100 dropping to below 90, does it affect anything besides the numbers shown on screen? Does the game become unplayable? (I guess if it drops to below 20 it would, Though)

Its like what others have said before me, when a low fps is super stable, even 30 fps can be ok with certain games. on top of that, you can also feel it in controls a bit, lower FPS will be a little bit more sluggish. Also as an example try moving your mouse fast on your monitor, you will see multiple cursors trail your cursor, the higher the fps the smoother it looks. When FPS suddenly drops, or in some cases don't have a matching pace. so its not constant it can really be felt, and even throw off your aim.

 

On top of this in VR especially on Quest 2 at least, there will be a lot of ghosting, like the mouse effect, and it becomes really disorienting, and quickly seeing what the enemy is that you see fly by is extra difficult.

 

Quest 2 also has function called Async Spacewarp, it halves FPS and fills in the other halve, to make it more smooth, but often creates another layer of weird bending lines, and ghosting, like the software cant predict where the movement exactly will go, so I have to turn this function off.

[[APAF]VR_Spartan85]

3 hours ago, FlyingH said:

I´m wondering when you talk about fps dropping is it the number showing on screen or do you experience it? I mean I have always had the same fluent "film" as long as my fps are above 25fps so I don´t understand the complaint about loosing 5 - 9 fps or going from 65-70 to sometimes 45-50. Does it affect your flying? Or in some cases fps over 100 dropping to below 90, does it affect anything besides the numbers shown on screen? Does the game become unplayable? (I guess if it drops to below 20 it would, Though)

I play vr, and steady 45fps gives very smooth gameplay (feels and plays like 60mhz with zero input delay) and no cause for motion sickness…

the cloud update smoothed everything out on my system and I was able to max out graphics and fly really heavy missions no issue…

 

was boasting to my dcs group how Awesome it was..

 

Now,the hot fix causes drops below 30and back to 40 sometimes but not stable..which is a stutters no fun..and that’s just me in a qmb… no other planes

 

 

Edited January 3, 2022 by [APAF]VR_Spartan85

[Pipa]

18 hours ago, BBAS_Tiki_Joe said:

Experiencing the same in VR, its not game stopping terrible but I've lost about 5-9 FPS. Seems more up and down. Like before I was getting a solid 65-70 and now it is a 65, but dips down to 45/50. Goes up and down like crazy, which it did not before the last patch, seems less stable and jumps a lot more than before. It has pretty much just gone back to pre-patch 4.701(The clouds update) for me. 4.701 was a huge step up, and my PC loved that patch. I was rocking solid and the game looked beautiful and ran soo smooth. the last hotfix just sent it back to where we it was before the cloud update. No setting changes. Hardware: 3080ti, 32GB DDR4, i9-1900kf@5Ghz HMD:Index.

The same thing with my index

[BBAS_Tiki_Joe]

Thank YOU!!! The new patch 4.702c  fixed my VR fps drops that I was experiencing after the last patch. Awesome Job Devs! Keep on Rocking?

[[APAF]VR_Spartan85]

5 minutes ago, BBAS_Tiki_Joe said:

Thank YOU!!! The new patch 4.702c  fixed my VR fps drops that I was experiencing after the last patch. Awesome Job Devs! Keep on Rocking?

Glad to hear that, I haven’t had a chance to try it out yet ?

[[APAF]VR_Spartan85]

nope no change here

 

[RossMarBow]

Double check your graphics settings haven't changed
delete your startup.config 
Try resetting your shader cache 
Presuming your drivers up to date

[cellinsky]

4 hours ago, brahguevara said:

Double check your graphics settings haven't changed
delete your startup.config 
Try resetting your shader cache 
Presuming your drivers up to date

Where can I reset the shader cache for IL2? I do regularly for DCS, but did not find anything similar for this game. What am I missing here?

[[APAF]VR_Spartan85]

7 hours ago, brahguevara said:

Double check your graphics settings haven't changed
delete your startup.config 
Try resetting your shader cache 
Presuming your drivers up to date

graphic settings didnt change from release to hotfixes
tried the startup.config already, no dice
Shader cache, i have no idea where that is, never had to delete anything from it before
drivers all good.

had no problems at all before hotfixes

[butcherbird88]

 4.702c  a résolut mon problème de mauvais fps ?? 

grand merci dev

 

[Youtch]

Still interested to know how you clean shader cache.

[itsmecamille]

10 hours ago, Youtch said:

Still interested to know how you clean shader cache.

 

Same here. There are old posts which pointed to a folder that doesn't exist anymore (in bin I think) but in the current version I can't see anything that looks like a shader cache folder anywhere

[firdimigdi]

 

15 hours ago, Youtch said:

Still interested to know how you clean shader cache.

 

If you use an nvidia GPU then press Win+R and copy paste the following in and press enter:

%LocalAppdata%\NVIDIA\DXCache

 

The contents of that folder is the shader cache and it is safe to delete them.

 

Note: this is for games and applications that use Direct3D (like IL2 does), for OpenGL shader cache look in  %LocalAppdata%\NVIDIA\GLCache

 

Edited January 13, 2022 by 335th_grFirdimigdi
clarification

[MajorMagee]

Each time you update your NVIDIA drivers, the shader cache folders are automatically emptied during the install process so they all get rebuilt using the new version.

[Na-zdorovie]

Just seen this post, mine is very sluggish and low fps now, thought it was just the missions, but alp seem the same now, shame as the last big update actually added fps

 

[[CPT]Crunch]

Shadows are the culprit for me, an absolute frame killer this latest hot fix.  Very hard to see any difference between the shadow levels, over the forests get at least a 30 fps drop with shadows on low, it's worse over the woods than over a large city.  Even a fresh driver installed with removal and clean option did nothing.  Previous to the last hotfix I could scream over the woods with no fps impact using high shadows.  Now have them off just to make it workable.

[[APAF]VR_Spartan85]

1 hour ago, [CPT]Crunch said:

Shadows are the culprit for me, an absolute frame killer this latest hot fix.  Very hard to see any difference between the shadow levels, over the forests get at least a 30 fps drop with shadows on low, it's worse over the woods than over a large city.  Even a fresh driver installed with removal and clean option did nothing.  Previous to the last hotfix I could scream over the woods with no fps impact using high shadows.  Now have them off just to make it workable.

This…

I was able to turn up the shadows from initial cloud release and had no problems even better performance… now I noticed the cloud shadows freeze and twitch along the ground…

and lower shadows look horrendous on plane surfaces… EDIT: I still get shit frames with shadows off

 

im frustrated and I’m not going through full re&re for it anymore till this issue is addressed… I’ve made a few comments already in the update post but everyone is determined on getting tracers the right brightness… 

 

(I prefer tracer less ammo tbh but it’s not available:) )
 

It happened with the first hotfix announcing AMD airfield fix for shimmering…

 

all I want to know is what else changed graphically that could be causing issues for users with this issue…. 
no response

Edited January 13, 2022 by [APAF]VR_Spartan85

[Na-zdorovie]

i thought the change was in blurring the cloud edges?

[[APAF]VR_Spartan85]

50 minutes ago, Na-zdorovie said:

i thought the change was in blurring the cloud edges?

it was after this very hotfix things got screwy for me

EDIT: sorry that doesnt link you the right post

its page 5

 

Edited January 13, 2022 by [APAF]VR_Spartan85

[[CPT]Crunch]

Second hot"fix" did me in, there is no possible combination of settings that will get rid of the horrendous shimmering, I've tried them all.  I'm willing to turn my Mustang back into the factory just to get my game back, pretty much useless as of now.

[WheelwrightPL]

1 hour ago, [CPT]Crunch said:

Second hot"fix" did me in, there is no possible combination of settings that will get rid of the horrendous shimmering, I've tried them all.  I'm willing to turn my Mustang back into the factory just to get my game back, pretty much useless as of now.

 

I suggest BeamNG physics-based car sim to kill the time, while we wait for the fix to the hotfix fix. Personally I am having a blast with it, especially when escaping from the cops on Italy Fastello map. And yes, you can control cars just fine with the joystick and rudders.

[Ribbon]

Just did my usual performance test flight on Kuban map and i've got fps dips from 45 tu 30fps where i never had such fos drops.

Empty map, coastal area, i7 10700k, rtx3080, reverb G2.

Overall 10-15 fps performance hit with last patch, i hope devs still reading this thread and and fix is on the way for the next update.

[CountZero]

gota love holiday updates, never without extra suprises

[354thFG_Drewm3i-VR]

3 hours ago, =VARP=Ribbon said:

Just did my usual performance test flight on Kuban map and i've got fps dips from 45 tu 30fps where i never had such fos drops.

Empty map, coastal area, i7 10700k, rtx3080, reverb G2.

Overall 10-15 fps performance hit with last patch, i hope devs still reading this thread and and fix is on the way for the next update.

Sadly, many updates in IL-2 have done this to me over the last year or so and performance is always hit or miss...when it works, IL-2 in VR is amazing and by far the best WW2 VR experience, but the performance is highly variable and varies update to update. After the cloud update it was butter smooth, since the hot fixes it has been a stuttery mess--especially single player campaigns. These days I find DCS (with shader mods) to look and perform much better in VR overall as it doesn't suffer from the same micro stuttering. You can play with a steady 45-50 FPS in vr (Channel Map with steam motion smoothing forced on), but you cannot play with frame time spikes and constant framerate dips. I'm running a Ryzen 5600x @4.85 GHZ, 32gb dual rank b-die ram @3800mhz/cl15, rtx 3080, 1 tb ssd, reverb g2 here, so my machine is definitely not the problem. 

[[CPT]Crunch]

The openVR_api.dll from that unmentionable game will work if you replace the one in IL-2, don't forget to back up the original.  It eliminates the horrible shimmer, and the game starts looking fantastic, no need for MSAA or sharpen. 

 

But two things happen in mine, the shadows no longer work right, your best to turn them off, and the Fps caps at 60, doesn't want to budge no matter if you select low, balance, high, or ultimate or any combo of settings, or climb to any empty map space at high altitude.  Might be your last resort, but it is still quite flyable and looks great.  Should be fine for single player.

 

I've had to turn on reprojection with a combo of Fholger mod to crank up the frames high enough for some extra MSAA while keeping a steady 90 fps with enough horsepower to reduced shimmer almost palatable, but damn that ghosting...

 

By the way, the newest fholger allows you to crank up the sharpening higher than 1.0, it will tell you a history of what the settings are in a log file, since you can now keyboard set them on the fly.  Managed a 2.2, but it started to get ugly.

[Ribbon]

4 hours ago, -332FG-drewm3i-VR said:

Sadly, many updates in IL-2 have done this to me over the last year or so and performance is always hit or miss...when it works, IL-2 in VR is amazing and by far the best WW2 VR experience, but the performance is highly variable and varies update to update. After the cloud update it was butter smooth, since the hot fixes it has been a stuttery mess--especially single player campaigns. These days I find DCS (with shader mods) to look and perform much better in VR overall as it doesn't suffer from the same micro stuttering. You can play with a steady 45-50 FPS in vr (Channel Map with steam motion smoothing forced on), but you cannot play with frame time spikes and constant framerate dips. I'm running a Ryzen 5600x @4.85 GHZ, 32gb dual rank b-die ram @3800mhz/cl15, rtx 3080, 1 tb ssd, reverb g2 here, so my machine is definitely not the problem. 

Since 4.701 i have this terrible stuttering and frame drops...well i hope performance will be good once again with next update.

Nice to hear dcs Channel map is VR playable, might give it a try.

Normandy, PG and Caucasus map works great in VR. And we have similar specs (i7 10700k 5.0ghz, 32gb ram, rtx3080, reverb g2)

2 hours ago, [CPT]Crunch said:

The openVR_api.dll from that unmentionable game will work if you replace the one in IL-2, don't forget to back up the original.  It eliminates the horrible shimmer, and the game starts looking fantastic, no need for MSAA or sharpen. 

 

But two things happen in mine, the shadows no longer work right, your best to turn them off, and the Fps caps at 60, doesn't want to budge no matter if you select low, balance, high, or ultimate or any combo of settings, or climb to any empty map space at high altitude.  Might be your last resort, but it is still quite flyable and looks great.  Should be fine for single player.

 

I've had to turn on reprojection with a combo of Fholger mod to crank up the frames high enough for some extra MSAA while keeping a steady 90 fps with enough horsepower to reduced shimmer almost palatable, but damn that ghosting...

 

By the way, the newest fholger allows you to crank up the sharpening higher than 1.0, it will tell you a history of what the settings are in a log file, since you can now keyboard set them on the fly.  Managed a 2.2, but it started to get ugly.

I only play in MP, if i do that will it recognize it as a cheat or mod?

[354thFG_Drewm3i-VR]

34 minutes ago, =VARP=Ribbon said:

Since 4.701 i have this terrible stuttering and frame drops...well i hope performance will be good once again with next update.

Nice to hear dcs Channel map is VR playable, might give it a try.

Normandy, PG and Caucasus map works great in VR. And we have similar specs (i7 10700k 5.0ghz, 32gb ram, rtx3080, reverb g2)

I only play in MP, if i do that will it recognize it as a cheat or mod?

Get into an Alder Lake i5-12600K or better and you'd see a huge difference in both IL-2 and DCS. Everything else looks really good minus that Skylake 14nm++++++++ cpu (poor IPC). DCS is becoming better and better optimized though as time goes on. IL-2 seems like Russian roulette.

Edited January 14, 2022 by -332FG-drewm3i-VR

[von_Tom]

On 1/3/2022 at 2:21 PM, Guster said:

 

 It's not quite the same as the old 24 fps cinema standard, but don't ask me about the science behind this.

 

 

In very simple terms, of the 24 frames the last 1 or 2 were blurred to present a seamless transition to the next frames i.e.so no choppiness would be seen.

 

Because computers reach each frame individually, normal acuity means that 30fps can appear jerky and some can discern choppiness way higher.  Personally anything below 60fps is jumpy for me.  Even in VR I get solid 70fps but wish it were smoother.

 

von Tom