Praetor Posted July 10, 2014 Posted July 10, 2014 190 had an excellent roll rate, but very poor turning retention. The way the fights currently tend to happen around 2000ft or less at the moment is going to make the 109 a more effective fighter. 190 was for high altitude bomber interception that could hold its own based on energy management. MP play right now doesn't suit that sorta thing.
Matt Posted July 10, 2014 Posted July 10, 2014 Performance wise (speed, acceleration, climbrate), the La-5 is better, especially at low altitude. And when you're fighting someone who is sticking to boom and zoom, i think you're better of in a La-5 than in a Yak-1. Also you have a better chance of choosing a fight or avoiding it when necessary. We'll see how it will turn out when MP becomes a bit more objective focussed and overall cooperation gets better. But i think in the end, the La-5 will be about as popular as the Yak-1. The placement of the gunsight on the La-5 doesn't really help, but i'm not sure if it's correct or wrong.
VikingFjord Posted July 10, 2014 Posted July 10, 2014 (edited) The Yak-1 is very good. No, there is no even ground and there truly never is. It is always a leap frog scenario, one side releases a plane that dominates and then the other side answers with a better plane and so on and so forth until resources run out and better planes can only be released in small numbers that make no difference to a country that has already lost the war and just desperately holding on (like the 190D9, Ta152, Me262) until it is all over. Anyway, the La5 will be competition against the 190. The Yak is better against the 109. It's a medium-low alt air battle just like it was historically. It comes down to tactics, capability of the person controlling the "plane" and numbers. The La-5 isn't worse than the Yak-1, it performs differently just like the 190 performs differently than the 109. Yak-1 is a decent plane with two equal pilots the Yak-1 will be slight under preforming then the 109 and sure there will allways be something better then the other..afther all it is war..but i did belive the La-5 to have somewhat better preformance stats then the Yak-1 Edited July 10, 2014 by VikingFjord
FuriousMeow Posted July 10, 2014 Posted July 10, 2014 (edited) Well as you'll find in another thread, the Yak-1 we have isn't that far off from the Yak-1b. The main difference being the cutdown rear fuselage to accomodate the bubble canopy and a different set of armament. Otherwise, mostly the same Yak-1 that is currently modelled in this title as far as performance goes. The La-5 has better performance, but it depends on what you are looking at because many planes have better performance against others but the category is the difference. Speed? La-5. Roll? Pretty sure La-5 again. Turn? La-5 with speed, Yak-1 better as speed decreases but still not an A6M. You're going to have to know what the "plane" you are using is capable of vs the other "plane" in this title. You'll also have to know tactics and not expect the "plane" to do all of the work. Constant tail chasing will see an end to anyone very quickly, so you have to employ tactics that bring the advantage back to you. Such as the LaGG-3 vs the 109 or 190 - just bail out and you've already won because they didn't shoot you down. This book deals with all kinds of aircraft with differing peformance categories and how to take them on situationally. It isn't all yanking the stick, dropping your flaps, and "hitting the brakes" such as the Top Gun movie. Goooooosssseeeeeee! http://www.amazon.com/Fighter-Combat-Maneuvering-Robert-Shaw/dp/0870210599 Edited July 10, 2014 by FuriousMeow
Finkeren Posted July 10, 2014 Posted July 10, 2014 must say im disappointed i thought it would even the ground a bit...so was it worse then the current Yak-1? and what was the reason for it poor preformance? My experience was, that most people flew the La-5 without adjusting their tactics, which ofc hampered its performance, but even against a good pilot, who knows how to get maximum performance out of the La, and who uses quick slashing attacks, a Bf 109 pilot can still quickly turn the tables by simply climbing and forcing his opponent to either be left behind or give up the high air speed where his plane maneuvers better than the 109. Since most people online flew VVS during that weekend, I was forced to fly German most of the time, and despite the fact that I'm not used to flying the 109 I felt completely safe against the La-5 in a way I never did against the Yak. My K/D ratio was in the double digits in several of those sessions, something that never happens for me in MP. It's not that I don't think that the La-5 can be used effectively in MP. It's just that the plane is so difficult to get to maximum performance, and its strengths against the 109s so particular, that it's a tactically demanding plane to fly in MP. You can't just jump in the cockpit, take off and throw yourself in a furball, like you can in the Yak. The La-5 is an almost ideal ambush plane: It's got good FOV, great armament that can be loaded with all-HE (essentially a death sentence, if you can get one good shot in), it handles its absolute best at high speeds and it's the fastest fighter at low level and in short sprints, making sure your prey doesn't get away. 1
VikingFjord Posted July 10, 2014 Posted July 10, 2014 Well as you'll find in another thread, the Yak-1 we have isn't that far off from the Yak-1b. The main difference being the cutdown rear fuselage to accomodate the bubble canopy and a different set of armament. Otherwise, mostly the same Yak-1 that is currently modelled in this title as far as performance goes. The La-5 has better performance, but it depends on what you are looking at because many planes have better performance against others but the category is the difference. Speed? La-5. Roll? Pretty sure La-5 again. Turn? La-5 with speed, Yak-1 better as speed decreases but still not an A6M. You're going to have to know what the "plane" you are using is capable of vs the other "plane" in this title. You'll also have to know tactics and not expect the "plane" to do all of the work. Constant tail chasing will see an end to anyone very quickly, so you have to employ tactics that bring the advantage back to you. Such as the LaGG-3 vs the 109 or 190 - just bail out and you've already won because they didn't shoot you down. This book deals with all kinds of aircraft with differing peformance categories and how to take them on situationally. It isn't all yanking the stick, dropping your flaps, and "hitting the brakes" such as the Top Gun movie. Goooooosssseeeeeee! http://www.amazon.com/Fighter-Combat-Maneuvering-Robert-Shaw/dp/0870210599 My experience was, that most people flew the La-5 without adjusting their tactics, which ofc hampered its performance, but even against a good pilot, who knows how to get maximum performance out of the La, and who uses quick slashing attacks, a Bf 109 pilot can still quickly turn the tables by simply climbing and forcing his opponent to either be left behind or give up the high air speed where his plane maneuvers better than the 109. Since most people online flew VVS during that weekend, I was forced to fly German most of the time, and despite the fact that I'm not used to flying the 109 I felt completely safe against the La-5 in a way I never did against the Yak. My K/D ratio was in the double digits in several of those sessions, something that never happens for me in MP. It's not that I don't think that the La-5 can be used effectively in MP. It's just that the plane is so difficult to get to maximum performance, and its strengths against the 109s so particular, that it's a tactically demanding plane to fly in MP. You can't just jump in the cockpit, take off and throw yourself in a furball, like you can in the Yak. The La-5 is an almost ideal ambush plane: It's got good FOV, great armament that can be loaded with all-HE (essentially a death sentence, if you can get one good shot in), it handles its absolute best at high speeds and it's the fastest fighter at low level and in short sprints, making sure your prey doesn't get away. i have been flying since i was 5yrs old and now im 25 so its 20yrs in the sky..and it sounds to me that La-5 needs an experianced pilot i will give it a try and see how it works and do some test with it and that book seems interesting too i found a formula with that Yak-1 that seem to suit me but indeed it isnt so easy as the 109 is but thats part whats makes it fun to fly
VikingFjord Posted July 10, 2014 Posted July 10, 2014 Guess im back to flying German again and with the arrival of my long time friend 190 it will feel like home!
Feathered_IV Posted July 11, 2014 Posted July 11, 2014 Is it just me, or was the phrase, "robust singleplayer campaign" removed from the front page product description? I could have sworn I'd seen it earlier... :/ 1
pilotpierre Posted July 11, 2014 Posted July 11, 2014 Is it just me, or was the phrase, "robust singleplayer campaign" removed from the front page product description? I could have sworn I'd seen it earlier... :/ Its still there????????
BeastyBaiter Posted July 11, 2014 Posted July 11, 2014 Im with you on that. . I've seen the He-111 in game already. It was a static plane on the old premade missions. It might be floating around some of the bases on the Stalingrad mp map too.
=LD=Hethwill Posted July 11, 2014 Posted July 11, 2014 To answer to the DX11 question launched in the previous posts: It is not a visuals issue, but rather a performance issue, especially for the newest hardware. Rendering is more efficient and output rate of rendered frames has noticeable increase. But then it is a visuals issue as well. Effects in particular, particles and foliage on DX9 are a big strain on the image processing. DX11 is way beyond that with massive performance increase. DX9 for wider audience, sure, it is a good path. The more the merrier. DX11 version would not hurt anything and improve experience for new rigs owners.
Caldur Posted July 11, 2014 Posted July 11, 2014 (edited) Is it just me, or was the phrase, "robust singleplayer campaign" removed from the front page product description? I could have sworn I'd seen it earlier... :/ It's still there - "Robust Single-Player Campaign that features a challenging and innovative AI system and includes an extensive in-game achievement system" Edited July 11, 2014 by Caldur 1
I./JG1_Baron Posted July 11, 2014 Posted July 11, 2014 (edited) ...will be Fw-190A today or not will be...ANSWER! Edited July 11, 2014 by II./JG1_Baron
IVJG4-Knight Posted July 11, 2014 Posted July 11, 2014 ...will be Fw-190A today or not will be...ANSWER! Indeed das ist le question .
Pringliano Posted July 11, 2014 Posted July 11, 2014 Nope, but, IMO, much more important news were just provided, and WHOW!!!!!
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