Low speed rough landing deaths

[Todt_Von_Oben]

50 minutes ago, Miners said:

I did something similar in the Camel, SPAD and Bristol a week ago and got to similar results.  It seemed overall fairly survivable if you had a good approach, even if I flipped it.  However, when I died, it was not when I expected.  Once I overturned in the Bristol and was fine until it flipped fairly gently, with the pilot being killed instantly.  The other death I remember occurred in the Camel when I hit a hanger.  The strange thing here was that the pilot was okay until the wreck hit the ground after falling several feet where I was killed, instead of in the initial impact.

 

Yep.  Merits looking into.  I'm going  up right now.

 

One thing though: not having any problem with off-aerodrome landings.  (Remember when it was mud?)  Easy now. 

 

I'm going to try both ways: by the numbers and spastic.  Getting hurt on the second hop of a wheel landing doesn't seem right; let's see if I can do that again.

 

Working........ 

 

ADDIT:  There's no season I should be rolling out on landing in the boondocks, hit a little bump going about 10mph that doesn't even upset the plane; yet, in my headphones, it sounded like CRUNCH! and I died as the plane rolled to a stop. 

 

I've hard-landed many an airplane but never damaged one or been injured.

 

I think the glitch is apparent.

Edited December 27, 2021 by Todt_Von_Oben

[NO.20_Krispy_Duck]

There is certainly something off about it. The ground interaction on even light crashes seems off. It's an issue in both the WW2 and WW1 theaters. The WW1 in particular is nasty if the plane flips up onto the prop or flips over.

 

The WW2, it seems more a problem if you three point with any real force away from an airfield. It's easier to ditch gear up and slide across the ground than to try to land with the gear down in a field now. A couple of our guys had this problem - severe wounding or death on a hard but certainly survivable landing in a field. In one instance the plane bounced like a ball straight up in the air and the pilot was dead, then came back down to rest 3-point again. Weird behavior... But that's the WW2 so kind of an aside here.

[RNAS10_Mitchell]

Although initially it did not appear the camel was affected by this bug, i can now confirm it occurs with the camel as well.

[J2_Bidu]

You don't have to flip to get killed in FC. Hitting with a single wheel on the ground may kill you even if you're uninjured previously and the plane lands in perfect conditions.

Edited December 29, 2021 by J2_Bidu

[JGr2/J5_Hotlead]

I agree with the OP; simple bent landings have become fatal in a way that they shouldn't be at all. I had this happen to me on Flugpark last Sunday:

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1252692766

 

A very benign noseover killed my pilot without his head ever touching the ground. This isn't what the historical record shows, as pilots often survived landings much, much rougher than mine. (To see examples of this, scroll to the "pilot wounding" section in the article I wrote.) 

 

Personally, I feel the way pilot wounding was prior to the September 21, 2021 patch was quite good. Even if the devs don't return to that state of pilot wounding, I would definitely advocate reducing the likelihood of pilot death on minor impacts.

[JGr2/J5_Klugermann]

I'm curious if this applies to mid air collisions as well.  @US103_Parsons feel free to chime in.

[J2_Bidu]

35 minutes ago, J5_Klugermann said:

I'm curious if this applies to mid air collisions as well.  @US103_Parsons feel free to chime in.

 

I'm still trying to check more reliably, but the Camel seems to have a way to crash into D7Fs that makes them lose wings, while the Camel goes on undamaged. Anyone else experiencing that?

[J2_Nedo]

Well If you are unsure to survive your next Landing, go land into some Trees and you will mostly survive, thats what ive seen the last days ??

[RNAS10_Mitchell]

8 hours ago, J2_Bidu said:

 

I'm still trying to check more reliably, but the Camel seems to have a way to crash into D7Fs that makes them lose wings, while the Camel goes on undamaged. Anyone else experiencing that?

As someone who has accidentally crashed a camel into a few players ?....I have not personally observed anything except certain wingless plunging death in said camel...

[=IRFC=kotori87]

5 hours ago, J2_Nedo said:

Well If you are unsure to survive your next Landing, go land into some Trees and you will mostly survive, thats what ive seen the last days ??

Put down in a forest the other day in a Breguet. Flaps fully down, airspeed indicator pegged low. Hit the trees, wings fell off. I had battle damage, so not too surprising. Plane dropped six feet to the ground, pilot insta-killed. I survive longer falls than that on a daily basis IRL since I have a top bunk on my ship.

Edited January 5, 2022 by kotori87

[NO.20_Krispy_Duck]

The bitter thing about it is that it didn't seem as if people were clamoring for more deaths in forced landings or nose overs in FC. It was a "solution in search of a problem" as far as FC goes. It seems like a change that was aimed mainly at WW2 (and the result it has had over there is questionable, but that's another subject), but had unintended consequences in the WW1 environment. The control jamming issue started out that way as well: a WW2-oriented improvement that had bad consequences in FC.

Edited January 5, 2022 by NO.20_Krispy_Duck

[JGr2/J5_Klugermann]

Died at the end of my landing run yesterday when I hit a tent.

[HagarTheHorrible]

23 hours ago, J5_Klugermann said:

Died at the end of my landing run yesterday when I hit a tent.

Gives a whole new meaning to the term “pegging it” ?
 

p.s. Just occurred to me, the above should not, in any way, be confused with any slang referring to modern sexual practices involving willies or bottoms. It is simply a euphemism for dying.  I have to remind myself that the forums are International and slang terms in one country aren’t necessarily universal.

Edited January 18, 2022 by HagarTheHorrible

[J2_Bidu]

9 hours ago, J5_Klugermann said:

Died at the end of my landing run yesterday when I hit a tent.

 

Sure you were attent on landing?

Should have gone for another attempt.

[JGr2/J5_Klugermann]

Had to swerve to avoid something but was at the far end of my run taxiing gently.

[J2_Bidu]

29 minutes ago, J5_Klugermann said:

Had to swerve to avoid something but was at the far end of my run taxiing gently.

 

My answer was a pun, but failed a tent.