Developer Diary 302 - Discussion

[blitze]

Looking forward to seeing the early Pony in the Il2 skies.  Nice. ☺️

[easterling77]

just gorgeous?

[III./SG77-A_von_Bellorum]

Disturbing lack of any mention of the Ju 88 C6.

[[CPT]Crunch]

Just now, III./SG77-A_von_Bellorum said:

Disturbing lack of any mention of the Ju 88 C6.

Just look at the detail and options on that bird, imagine that capability in your future Ju, you should be salivating in anticipation.

 

Twas the night before Christmas,

it shook through the house,

Merlins were revving, the Germans were rausch.

[Avimimus]

14 minutes ago, III./SG77-A_von_Bellorum said:

Disturbing lack of any mention of the Ju 88 C6.

 

Yes, it isn't clear - but even if it isn't going to appear in December (which seemed possible at one point) - it is very likely we'll see the H.P. O/400 and Ju-88C6a in Q1 2022. In which case the first half of 2022 should see 5-6 twin engined aircraft released (assuming the complex avionics of the Ar-234 doesn't see it delayed a bit further).

 

I'm also curious (as it'd been mentioned as a possibility earlier) but I'm going to be pretty happy to see it in Jan/Feb if it takes until then. I'm just happy to have it at all to be honest. Very happy.

Edited December 3, 2021 by Avimimus

[Hypertexthero]

Yay! My favorite version of the P-51, and clouds, too?!

Christmas is coming, alright!! Thank you!!!

And I hope an Old Crow livery will be one of the defaults!

Edited December 3, 2021 by Hypertexthero
Grammar

[Mtnbiker1998]

I wonder if any of these modifications will end up in our D model aswell?

[Sobilak]

48 minutes ago, Hypertexthero said:

Yay! My favorite version of the P-51, and clouds, too?!

Christmas is coming, alright!! Thank you!!!

And I hope an Old Crow livery will be one of the defaults!

Two wishe's of defaults!

 

[TP_Sparky]

If you can release the P-51B but don't have the Malcolm Hood finished, release the pony anyway and update with the Malcolm Hood when it's finished.  Don't delay the Christmas Tree if all you're missing is the star on the top. 

 

The P-51B should have slightly better climb and top speed than a P-51D for a given octane rating because the bubbletop and cut-down fuselage had aerodynamic penalties.  I can't wait to match the P-51B at altitude vs. German fighters in December, 1943 and early 1944.  No Doras, G14/K4 or 262 yet.  Should be fun.

Edited December 3, 2021 by TP_Sparky

[LukeFF]

5 minutes ago, TP_Sparky said:

If you can release the P-51B but don't have the Malcolm Hood finished, release the pony anyway and update with the Malcolm Hood when it's finished.  Don't delay the Christmas Tree if all you're missing is the star on the top. 

 

Please, no. The RAF for one operated all their Mustang IIIs with the Malcolm Hood. It's a far more important modification than people realize. 

[GOA_Karaya_VR]

Drop It without the malcom hood Jason, ( and the malcom hood for christmass with the droptanks ?) anyway , stunning job guys, thanks.

[easterling77]

13 minutes ago, LukeFF said:

 

Please, no. The RAF for one operated all their Mustang IIIs with the Malcolm Hood. It's a far more important modification than people realize. 

Yep 

Don't hurry up and bring incomplete crates.

 

I fear that this could be the first back step in quality of their projects, which we all love and are enjoying since the start of this great sim.

 

Bring it when it's ready

Edited December 3, 2021 by easterling77

[oc2209]

 

Finally, a rear view worse than a 109's! Well, a 109 without the extra headrest armor.

 

It's the framework positioning and thickness that's the worst part. The view straight back is alright, but the massive frame of the side-panel in your face is really distracting; more importantly, it creates a large blind spot in probable enemy approach angles.

[FlyingNutcase]

The new clouds being released will create an create an instant early wallet opening for BoN, as a thank you. Looking forward to them, heaps. 

[kestrel79]

Wow. The B/C model may give my old fav the P-47 a run for sexiest WW2 aircraft imo. That B/C model Old Crow is such a good paint job and look. Can't wait!

 

Do you guys remember if we got the B/C model P-51 in the original IL2? I thought I remember getting the A-36 in a mod, and a Mustang Mk III as well which is similar to a B/C model 51 right? Not a lot of sims have that version, usually they do the bubble top. 

[BlitzPig_EL]

Take note in the cockpit rear view pic, that the gauge for the long range fuselage tank is present.

[Bert_Foster]

Whats with the RAF Sight that has both RAF and US reticles ? seems like a hybrid GM2 and N2/3 reticle ???

 

Edited December 3, 2021 by Bert_Foster

[Rjel]

1 hour ago, BlitzPig_EL said:

Take note in the cockpit rear view pic, that the gauge for the long range fuselage tank is present.

As is the fuel filler cap on the fuselage in the outside view.

 

Kit Carson said in his book Pursue and Destroy that he felt the B was more maneuverable than the D model and that he felt the true top speed of the earlier Mustang was upwards of 450mph. That would be something.

1 hour ago, kestrel79 said:

Wow. The B/C model may give my old fav the P-47 a run for sexiest WW2 aircraft imo. That B/C model Old Crow is such a good paint job and look. Can't wait!

 

Do you guys remember if we got the B/C model P-51 in the original IL2? I thought I remember getting the A-36 in a mod, and a Mustang Mk III as well which is similar to a B/C model 51 right? Not a lot of sims have that version, usually they do the bubble top. 

But that was a terrible mock up. It still had the D's wing platform. Just not a very attractive model in the original IL-2.

[Denum]

Oh man I can't wait for those clouds and that new pony. 

 

 

I think a neat briefing room article would be talking about the P51Bs development cycle. 

 

 

[=EXPEND=CG_Justin]

That's one pretty horsey! I'm also in the camp of "release it when it's ready". The Malcom hood is a significant modification and very important in the aircraft's timeline.

 

How was the low speed performance of the B/C compaired with the D model?

[=RS=Stix_09]

7 hours ago, Voidhunger said:

its really weird looking plane, I really dont like the look of these planes without the bubble canopy.

Anyway good work on modeling.

 

Ya Everyone has a pref. Personally I still prefer the look of the B/C models. I used to own and fly a RC model of the Dallas Darling B model. It was a joy to fly. By the end of the war about 50% of P-51's were still these early models, as the D model was late to the war.

Edited December 3, 2021 by =RS=Stix_09

[Vishnu]

Damn...you people are impressive....I've only been playing this game for a year and half or so, and WOW....the constant improvements and TOYS!!! 

 

 

Since, I've been here, I've probably dropped at least $300 bucks over time!!  Keep it up and I will continue to be your faithful servant!

[357th_KW]

1 hour ago, =RS=Stix_09 said:

 

By the end of the war about 50% of P-51's were still these early models, as the D model was late to the war.

I’m going to disagree with you there.  By fall of 1944 the D was by far the majority.  All of the 8th AF groups that converted to P-51s after June of 1944 received almost exclusively D’s.  Likewise basically all of the P-51s in the 9th AF were D models in 1945.  Units in the Pacific that got their Mustangs in late 44 and 45 got exclusively D models as well.  Pictures of US P-51 squadrons from the V-E day timeframe show almost 100% D models.

 

Looking at 8th AF losses for July 1944 - one month after the introduction of the D model - we see roughly 40 B/Cs lost vs 20 Ds.  By September 1944 the ratio is reversed - roughly 40 B/Cs lost vs 80 Ds.

 

Loss reports coming from Kent D Miller’s “Fighter Units & Pilots of the 8th Air Force Volume 1” which has serial numbers and some details for all 8th fighter command losses.

Edited December 3, 2021 by VBF-12_KW

[LukeFF]

2 minutes ago, VBF-12_KW said:

I’m going to disagree with you there.  By fall of 1944 the D was by far the majority.  All of the 8th AF groups that converted to P-51s after June of 1944 received almost exclusively D’s.  Likewise basically all of the P-51s in the 9th AF were D models in 1945.  Units in the Pacific that got their Mustangs in late 44 and 45 got exclusively D models as well.  Pictures of US P-51 squadrons from the V-E day timeframe show almost 100% D models.

 

Looking at 8th AF losses for July 1944 - one month after the introduction of the D model - we see roughly 40 B/Cs lost vs 20 Ds.  By September 1944 the ratio is reversed - roughly 40 B/Cs lost vs 80 Ds.

 

Loss reports coming from Kent D Miller’s “Fighter Units & Pilots of the 8th Air Force Volume 1” which has serial numbers and some details for all 8th fighter command losses.

 

I think where the 50/50 split is more valid is with the RAF, where a large chunk of squadrons were still flying the Mustang III in the spring of 1945 or were just making the transition to the Mark IV. 

[NO.20_W_M_Thomson]

Wonder how many friendly firing we're gonna get with the P51-B.   

[76IAP-Black]

They have reached a new level of quality, have started to compare older planes and cockpits with the new BON planes, there is a definitiv difference in the "edges" of struts and other round objects inside the older planes pits 

[Freycinet]

Such a beautiful plane, and so much more advanced, aerodynamically, than most of its contemporaries. Laminar flow wing, the lip on the belly radiator to avoid disturbing the boundary flow layer. What a beauty and what a model by the devs.

[Jaws2002]

1 hour ago, NO.20_W_M_Thomson said:

Wonder how many friendly firing we're gonna get with the P51-B.   

 

  It did happen back in WW2 as well. It also went the other way. In spring 1944, when the bombers returned to Ploiesti with Mustang escorts, for the first time, a few Romanian IAR-81's were shot down, because they thought the planes lining up behind them were BF-109's. 

 

Edited December 4, 2021 by Jaws2002

[NO.20_W_M_Thomson]

1 hour ago, Jaws2002 said:

 

  It did happen back in WW2 as well. It also went the other way. In spring 1944, when the bombers returned to Ploiesti with Mustang escorts, for the first time, a few Romanian IAR-81's were shot down, because they thought the planes lining up behind them were BF-109's. 

 

A few times a P-51 pilot had joined into formation of 109's thinking they were P-51's, think it happened the other way around as well. I read that some where just don't remember where. 

[Avimimus]

It is nice to know I'm not the only one.

[SquashmanMikeEH]

Actually, very impressive. Well done guys.

[IckyATLAS]

P51-B and Drop Tanks for Christmas....cross fingers, that seems to good to be true ?

[JLean]

Jumping to same bandwagon that this P-51B looks really. Awesome job from the team. 

Also waiting the clouds where to hide. Xmas is coming ?

 

 JLean 

[pilotpierre]

You chaps give delightful Xmas presents. May all your camels be blessed with 2 humps. 

[spudkopf]

Looking great!

 

Not sure whether this has been discussed (did several searches and could not seem to find anything), but will the tail fillet be offered up as an option?

 

Cheers

[Lusekofte]

Cool looking plane.

Long time ago I read that the Malcholm hood changed the aerodynamic on the plane in some way. Do anyone know if this is true?

If I remember correctly it did something with tail controlsurfaces 

[Gambit21]

On 12/3/2021 at 2:17 PM, =RS=Stix_09 said:

 By the end of the war about 50% of P-51's were still these early models, as the D model was late to the war.

 

Simply not true.

[Rjel]

3 hours ago, spudkopf said:

Looking great!

 

Not sure whether this has been discussed (did several searches and could not seem to find anything), but will the tail fillet be offered up as an option?

 

Cheers

It would be cool but so few B/Cs had them added in the field I would think it nearly impossible to know if and how the fillet affected the airframe in flight.

[[F.Circus]FrangibleCover]

On 12/3/2021 at 7:38 PM, LukeFF said:

 

Please, no. The RAF for one operated all their Mustang IIIs with the Malcolm Hood. It's a far more important modification than people realize. 

Speaking as someone who will probably only fly the Mustang III in yank colours if I have to, I'd still be okay with getting a partial representation in the sim now and waiting a month for the good canopy. The way I see it, all these aircraft are Early Access until the Normandy map is out, which I believe is an almost entirely separate development stream and doesn't depend on the planes at all. Therefore I'm alright with having partially complete aircraft in early access release as long as they're flyable, like a P-51B birdcage for USAAF use, or a Typhoon with no four bladed prop (if that was the last thing that got data, picking at random). If they're all completely done by the time the map comes out, the details of how and when they release bother me little.

[DBFlyguy]

1 hour ago, Rjel said:

It would be cool but so few B/Cs had them added in the field I would think it nearly impossible to know if and how the fillet affected the airframe in flight.

Some info on the reason for the dorsal fin:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

http://aviadejavu.ru/Images6/AN/AN83-10/15-3.jpg

 

 

 

It definitely didn't make it to the majority of B/C models but it appears the intention was there but with D/K's coming along and replacing them there eventually really wasn't a need to complete the order for B/C's.