how high was the dosage of amphetamines for allied, axis pilots?

[FlyinCoffin]

Ive read somewhere in the past about 40mg-80mg methamphetamine containing a "stukatablette(capsule)".

 

does someone know the exact doseages of the pilots of axis and allied fighter, bomber, etc. pilots, tankcrew?

 

 

Edited December 2, 2021 by FlyinCoffin

[jeanba]

Do you want to test yourself for better immersion ? ?

[FlyinCoffin]

drugs are illegal and bad

 

 

 

Edited December 2, 2021 by FlyinCoffin

[busdriver]

Not an answer to your specific question, but when I went to Tactical Air Command in 1980 we were tested for our tolerance for "go pills" (Dexedrine) 5mg and "no-go pills" (Seconal) 100mg. Those were the standard dosages if required for deployments (ocean crossings) or combat.

 

[BraveSirRobin]

7 hours ago, FlyinCoffin said:

drugs are illegal and bad

 

Then maybe add some context to your post.  Otherwise it looks like you’re trying to find excuses for a drug bust.

[unreasonable]

 Good article on the subject here:  https://thesecuritydistillery.org/all-articles/pervitin-how-drugs-transformed-warfare-in-1939-45

 

Says dose in German Army rations was 3mg Pervitin taken up to twice a day, probably GAF had same pills.  

[Eisenfaustus]

As the article starts with this statement: „This has been traditionally attributed to its technological superiority and optimisation, as well as its innovative strategies. Indeed, everything was accurately calculated, from the weight of the firearms to the offensive timings. The Wehrmacht would not leave anything to chance.“

 

While the Wehrmacht was technical superior against the polish army I know no historian claiming the same against France in 1940. German strategy sucked traditionally and even more so in the Second World War. It were German tactics that were far superior to the Anglo French in 1940. And the idea that everything was superbly planned was a British notion during the war that was simply wrong. Secret of the success was especially that they did not plan everything- instead the lower echelons were given maximum freedom in achieving their objectives resulting in extremely fast decision making and high level of flexibility. In fact the general staff orders to stop were regularly ignored by frontline commanders. 
 

The rest of the article doesn’t get any better. I recommend this instead:

 

[DD_Arthur]

23 minutes ago, Eisenfaustus said:

And the idea that everything was superbly planned was a British notion during the war that was simply wrong. 

 

It was?? 

 

[Eisenfaustus]

yes - if you look at the operational history of the attack on France it shows a rather chaotic image. 

The big traffic jam at the Ardennes could have spelled disaster if only the French commander would have listened to his Intel guys.

 

I already mentioned disobedient frontline commanders with Rommel being most famous among them - these disobeyed orders to stop were given because the general staff didn’t expect such a rapid advance against Europes most powerful military. There was no concept how to secure such huge territorial gains or how to supply speed crazy panzer formations. The few actual counter attacks by the French proved usually extremely dangerous as the German flanks were quite open. Only massive concentration of airpower allowed the weak German forces to fend them of. 

the clue is that Auftragstaktik (mission type tactics) is quite well suited to deal with chaos. 

[DD_Arthur]

2 hours ago, Eisenfaustus said:

yes - if you look at the operational history of the attack on France it shows a rather chaotic image. 

 

I’m sure it does. All war is chaos.

Still not sure what this has to do us Brits?

Our general view of Germany in the immediate pre-war years and during the conflict itself was of a nation of goose-stepping automatons under the direction of an absurd but dangerous nutcase.

 

[Eisenfaustus]

10 minutes ago, DD_Arthur said:

Our general view of Germany in the immediate pre-war years and during the conflict itself was of a nation of goose-stepping automatons under the direction of an absurd but dangerous nutcase.

And maybe that’s why you assumed these mindless drones needed precise clockwork like planning to achieve anything - or you did what most military men usually do and apply your own tactical principles and doctrines on the enemy to understand them. Whatever the case I read somewhere - unfortunately forgot where - that the attempt to explain the allied defeat in France 1940 came to the conclusion that it was a carefully and precisely planned campaign instead of recognising it as the mad dash it actually was ^^

[FlyinCoffin]

No one knows how much grandpa took while he was flying against the allied forces?

 

 

but it most be a high doseage because they took it like bonbons

(cmon -> Hildebrand Pralines (Will always make you happy) the housewife should eat up to 4-6 of them each containing 5mg methamphetamine)

 

 

 

it may was hans joachim marseile rise and fall. who knows

 

"abgeflogen" -(used to much) amphetamine crash ->(daily use of amphetamine for two years lead to the typical term in which the user loses his forces because he needs rest. he is at the end of his might. now amphetamine pushes also the last bit out of him and he doesnt have any power anymore. 

he is -....- they told joachim that he shall take some days off. he didnt.

 

kanal koller. they called the guys who flew against the RAF and lost their mind over the channel(Battle of Britain) Having a disease called the "kanal koller" (like channel ****) 

I cant bring these words in to the english Iam not able because I cant find the right words.

it means something like abgeflogen

 

 

edit: I will come back to this thread.

Edited December 18, 2021 by FlyinCoffin

[Juri_JS]

An account by Karl Nitschke of Wekusta 2 (from Pierre Babin's 'Wekusta 2', Heimdal, 2016)

".. the majority of the sorties I flew with my crew were long range over the ocean. Our Wekusta 2 machines took off from the Atlantic coast heading towards the north of Ireland, a relatively short distance for today's jets but a flight of several hours for our Ju 88s. Getting airborne from Nantes we would usually be feeling okay but by the time we arrived off the coast of Ireland fatigue would start to set in. To combat this the Luftwaffe High Command had decided that in each aircraft a small stock of very effective stimulants would be available - Pervitin or similar. It was up to the individual crew member whether or not he availed himself of this. In my case I would take a pill when we reached Ireland. As pilot and aircraft commander I could not take the risk of having my performance impaired by tiredness. So I'd swallow a pill with a drink. It was enough to perk me up for some of the sometimes critical remaining moments of the sortie. The other crew members would do likewise if they felt that they needed to. Basically the pills were taken to keep us going through the mission all the way back to Nantes. By the time we were approaching Nantes to land at the end of the sortie fatigue was intense and, the effects of the first pill having virtually worn off, I'd swallow a second pill. You have to understand that a cup of coffee couldn't do what the pills did. Were there any side effects? Difficult to say.. possibly. I will state though that taking Göring's pill hasn't stopped me reaching 93 years of age.."

 

Found here:

http://falkeeins.blogspot.com/2016/11/gorings-pill-stimulant-use-and-alcohol.html

[Swing]

Very good documentary about Pervitine......and yes, Wechmacht and Luftwaffe was full of it...

 

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Edited December 18, 2021 by Swing