Discussion of Churchill Mk.IV, StuG III Ausf.G and IAR-80/81 Pre-Order Announcement

[Trooper117]

5 hours ago, Asgar said:

TC2 will be battle of the bulge.

 

Oh no it won't!...

[CountZero]

3 hours ago, Trooper117 said:

 

Oh no it won't!...

Yes with poor choice of collector tanks i would be suprised if they fined enought german players to fund TC2, it would be better if they offered Stug and another german collector tank, most tank players left are german larpers, they dont need to buy churchill to shoot it as AI...

[EduardoMCfly]

On 12/1/2021 at 12:54 PM, Trooper117 said:

We also plan to make a Romanian pilot and language pack for him.   

 

I might have missed something, but as we have had an Italian aircraft for a long time now, has an Italian pilot and language pack been produced as well?

And what about an italian one for the MC.202?  

[PatrickAWlson]

27 minutes ago, EduardoMCfly said:

And what about an italian one for the MC.202?  

 

It's going to be delivered with the Romanian one  

[Alexmarine]

51 minutes ago, PatrickAWlson said:

 

It's going to be delivered with the Romanian one  

 

MTO confirmed1!1!1

 

[616Sqn_Tyggz]

On 1/18/2022 at 2:43 PM, CountZero said:

Yes with poor choice of collector tanks i would be suprised if they fined enought german players to fund TC2, it would be better if they offered Stug and another german collector tank, most tank players left are german larpers, they dont need to buy churchill to shoot it as AI...

At every opportunity you jump to talking down the devs choice of allied collector tank. What's the deal?

It'll be a very worthwhile addition to the allied inventory and have considerable potential on Normandy and the Rhineland maps.

Strengths:
- Better armour penetration than other allied tanks (Not explosive force like SU's)
- Better armour than all allied tanks
- Great visibility, lots of periscopes
- Best gun sight magnification of any other allied tank
- Turns on the spot
- Very fast turret traverse (Likely as fast as the Sherman)

Weaknesses:
- Slow on-road speed, though not that much slower off-road
- No HE shells confirmed yet

I'm confident the Churchill will stand up to German armour in MP

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Edited April 1, 2022 by 616Sqn_Tyggz

[I./JG52_Woutwocampe]

I'll get the IAR for sure. Cant wait to fly it/shoot it down in BOS.

[Jaws2002]

2 hours ago, I./JG52_Woutwocampe said:

Cant wait to fly it/shoot it down in BOS.

 

You are a cruel creature.  I'll make a voodoo doll with your name on it and start poking. 

 

Where in Canada are you? ...so i can go push the snow off the road on your driveway, for saying that. ?

Edited January 19, 2022 by Jaws2002

[I./JG52_Woutwocampe]

31 minutes ago, Jaws2002 said:

 

You are a cruel creature.  I'll make a voodoo doll with your name on it and start poking. 

 

Where in Canada are you? ...so i can go push the snow off the road on your driveway, for saying that. ?

 

Qc city. Dont worry about snow, there's currently a snow storm, the 2nd in 3 days. Saturday it will be around -27.

 

I'm already paying for my comments about the IAR hehe. Love that aircraft though, and I enjoyed it in the OG Il2.

 

[Alexmarine]

34 minutes ago, Jaws2002 said:

 

You are a cruel creature.  I'll make a voodoo doll with your name on it and start poking. 

 

Where in Canada are you? ...so i can go push the snow off the road on your driveway, for saying that. ?

 

Given that I plan to fly it as one IAR-81 of Grupul 6 Bopi fully expecting to get routinely shot down by enemy interceptors/AAA do I get included in the vodoo rites too? 

[Carl_infar]

17 hours ago, 616Sqn_Tyggz said:

I'm confident the Churchill will stand up to German armour in MP 

 

Yup, as "standing" is all it can do...

 

[Jaws2002]

40 minutes ago, I./JG52_Woutwocampe said:

Qc city. Dont worry about snow, there's currently a snow storm, the 2nd in 3 days. Saturday it will be around -27.

 

Yeah. you guys do get a lot of snow. I 've been to Qc City a few times in winter and i still remember seeing only the top of the stop signs out of the snow.?

 

 

 I'm here in Windsor On.  It's sunny, +4 and there's zero snow on the ground.

 I have the same respect I have for war veterans for you guys, living in Quebec City, all year around. 

 

 

Edited January 19, 2022 by Jaws2002

[BlitzPig_EL]

Not that far from me Jaws.

[Jaws2002]

Nope. But with this two lunatics calling the shots, on both sides of the river, it's not that close anymore.

[BlitzPig_EL]

Sad but true.

[jadebullet]

On 1/15/2022 at 1:26 PM, BlitzPig_EL said:

What other Allied tank from the the time period of this battle that was actually used by the Russians would you suggest?

M4A2 with the 76mm cannon. A great tank that was loved by the Russian crews especially for its ability to dunk on Tiger tanks. 

[BlitzPig_EL]

They had these at Kerch?  I think those came later.

[Alexmarine]

5 hours ago, BlitzPig_EL said:

They had these at Kerch?  I think those came later.

 

Indeed, Summer '44 at the very least

[Ala13_UnopaUno_VR]

Img normandy map ?? 

[[Tarczay]SandorGrof]

I am excited about both the Stug and the Churchill. More for the Churchill to be honest. Obviously being slow and not so well armoured and a questionable gun look like recipe for a disaster at first.  I can imagine spending most of my time with track off and repair. However the armour profile and the huge tracks can be a troll layout and the 57 mm can be a troll gun. Hard to wait how it all gonna works in multi-player and of course the missions as well. 

[retr0jet]

my dad drove Churchill crocodiles...  had some sad/horrific stories... … but it was his lot.  Just said the fear of fire prevented many unnecessary deaths...  for both sides...   (his brother/my uncle was in the same corps and killed by a Panzerfaust April 14th 1945)   Probably not very PC on the PC?

[BMA_FlyingShark]

Churchill and STUG pre ordered.

 

Have a nice day.

 

[Bell]

Why IAR-80?Isn't He 112 a better choice?

[LukeFF]

32 minutes ago, Bell said:

Why IAR-80?Isn't He 112 a better choice?

 

No - even the photo you posted shows they were only operational at Bucharest. The IAR-80 was much more relevant to Romania's operations against the USSR. 

[ShamrockOneFive]

Also, the IAR80/81 is being made by a third party that is interested in bringing the IAR to life. In these cases it often helps if the historical significance and developer interest are well aligned.

[Bell]

5 hours ago, LukeFF said:

they were only operational at Bucharest

During the troubles with Hungary the 51st was deployed to Transylvania. Hungarian Ju-86s and He-70s started making reconnaissance flights over Romanian territory. Repeated attempts to intercept them failed because of the 112's low speed. On 27 August Locotenent Nicolae Polizu was over Hungarian territory when he encountered a Caproni Ca.135bis biplane bomber flying on a training mission. Several of his 20 mm rounds hit the bomber, which was forced down safely at the Hungarian Debrecen airbase – home of the Hungarian 112s. Polizu became the first Romanian to shoot down a plane in aerial combat.

When Germany prepared to invade the USSR in 1941, Romania joined them in an effort to regain the territories lost the year before. The FARR was made part of Luftflotte 4 and, in preparation for the invasion, Grupul 5 vânãtoare was sent to Moldavia. At the time twenty four of the 112s were flyable. Three were left at their home base at Pipera to complete repairs, two others had been lost to accidents, and the others fate is unknown. On 15 June the planes moved again, to Foscani-North in northern Moldavia.

With the opening of the war on the 22nd, the 112s were in the air at 10:50 am supporting an attack by Potez 63s of Grupul 2 bombardment on the Soviet airfields at Bolgrad and Bulgãrica. Although some flak was encountered on the way to and over Bolgrad, the attack was successful and a number of Soviet planes were bombed on the ground. By the time they reached Bulgãrica fighters were in the air waiting for them, and as a result the twelve 112s were met by about thirty I-16s. The results of this combat were mixed; Sublocotenent Teodor Moscu shot down one of a pair of I-16s still taking off. When he was pulling out he hit another in a head-on pass and it crashed into the Danube. He was set upon by several I-16s and received several hits, his fuel tanks were punctured but did not seal. Losing fuel rapidly, he formed up with his wingman and managed to put down at the Romanian airfield at Bâlad. His plane was later repaired and returned to duty. Of the bombers, three of the thirteen dispatched were shot down.

Over the next few days the 112s would be used primarily as ground attack aircraft, where their heavy armament was considered to be more important than their ability to fight air-to-air. Typical missions would start before dawn and would have the Heinkels strafe Soviet airbases. Later in the day they would be sent on search and destroy missions, looking primarily for artillery and trains.

Losses were heavy, most not due to combat, but simply because the planes were flying an average of three missions a day and were not receiving the maintenance they needed. This problem effected all of the FARR, who did not have the field maintenance logistics worked out at the time. On 29 July a report on the readiness of the air forces listed only fourteen 112s in flyable condition, and another eight repairable. As a result, the planes of the 52nd were folded into the 51st to form a single full strength squadron on 13 August. The men of the 52nd were merged with the 42nd who flew IAR.80s, and were soon sent home to receive IAR.80s of their own. A report from August on the 112 rated it very poorly, once again noting its lack of power and poor speed.

For a time the 51st continued in a front line role, although they saw little combat. When Odessa fell on 16 October the Romanian war effort ostensibly ended, and the planes were considered to be no longer needed at the front. Fifteen were kept at Odessa and the rest were released to Romania for training duty (although they seem to have seen no use). On 1 November the 51st moved to Tatarka and then returned to Odessa on the 25th, performing coastal patrol duties all the while. On 1 July 1942, the 51st returned to Pipera and stood down after a year in action.

 

On July 19 one of the He 112s took to air to intercept Soviet bombers in what was the first night mission by a Romanian plane. As the Soviets were clearly gearing up for a night offensive on Bucharest, the 51st was then re-equipped with Me 110 night fighters and became the only Romanian night fighter squadron.

 

By 1943 the IAR.80 was no longer competitive, and the FARR started an overdue move to a newer fighter. The fighter in this case was the barely competitive Bf 109G. The 112s found themselves actively being used in the training role at last. The inline engine and general layout of the German designs was considered similar enough to make it useful in this role, and as a result the 112s came under the control of the Corpul 3 Aerian (3rd Air Corps). Several more of the 112s were destroyed in accidents during this time. It soldiered on in this role into late 1944, even after Romania had changed sides and joined the allies.

[AEthelraedUnraed]

35 minutes ago, Bell said:

During the troubles with Hungary the 51st was deployed to Transylvania. Hungarian Ju-86s and He-70s started making reconnaissance flights over Romanian territory. Repeated attempts to intercept them failed because of the 112's low speed. On 27 August Locotenent Nicolae Polizu was over Hungarian territory when he encountered a Caproni Ca.135bis biplane bomber flying on a training mission. Several of his 20 mm rounds hit the bomber, which was forced down safely at the Hungarian Debrecen airbase – home of the Hungarian 112s. Polizu became the first Romanian to shoot down a plane in aerial combat.

When Germany prepared to invade the USSR in 1941, Romania joined them in an effort to regain the territories lost the year before. The FARR was made part of Luftflotte 4 and, in preparation for the invasion, Grupul 5 vânãtoare was sent to Moldavia. At the time twenty four of the 112s were flyable. Three were left at their home base at Pipera to complete repairs, two others had been lost to accidents, and the others fate is unknown. On 15 June the planes moved again, to Foscani-North in northern Moldavia.

With the opening of the war on the 22nd, the 112s were in the air at 10:50 am supporting an attack by Potez 63s of Grupul 2 bombardment on the Soviet airfields at Bolgrad and Bulgãrica. Although some flak was encountered on the way to and over Bolgrad, the attack was successful and a number of Soviet planes were bombed on the ground. By the time they reached Bulgãrica fighters were in the air waiting for them, and as a result the twelve 112s were met by about thirty I-16s. The results of this combat were mixed; Sublocotenent Teodor Moscu shot down one of a pair of I-16s still taking off. When he was pulling out he hit another in a head-on pass and it crashed into the Danube. He was set upon by several I-16s and received several hits, his fuel tanks were punctured but did not seal. Losing fuel rapidly, he formed up with his wingman and managed to put down at the Romanian airfield at Bâlad. His plane was later repaired and returned to duty. Of the bombers, three of the thirteen dispatched were shot down.

Over the next few days the 112s would be used primarily as ground attack aircraft, where their heavy armament was considered to be more important than their ability to fight air-to-air. Typical missions would start before dawn and would have the Heinkels strafe Soviet airbases. Later in the day they would be sent on search and destroy missions, looking primarily for artillery and trains.

Losses were heavy, most not due to combat, but simply because the planes were flying an average of three missions a day and were not receiving the maintenance they needed. This problem effected all of the FARR, who did not have the field maintenance logistics worked out at the time. On 29 July a report on the readiness of the air forces listed only fourteen 112s in flyable condition, and another eight repairable. As a result, the planes of the 52nd were folded into the 51st to form a single full strength squadron on 13 August. The men of the 52nd were merged with the 42nd who flew IAR.80s, and were soon sent home to receive IAR.80s of their own. A report from August on the 112 rated it very poorly, once again noting its lack of power and poor speed.

For a time the 51st continued in a front line role, although they saw little combat. When Odessa fell on 16 October the Romanian war effort ostensibly ended, and the planes were considered to be no longer needed at the front. Fifteen were kept at Odessa and the rest were released to Romania for training duty (although they seem to have seen no use). On 1 November the 51st moved to Tatarka and then returned to Odessa on the 25th, performing coastal patrol duties all the while. On 1 July 1942, the 51st returned to Pipera and stood down after a year in action.

 

On July 19 one of the He 112s took to air to intercept Soviet bombers in what was the first night mission by a Romanian plane. As the Soviets were clearly gearing up for a night offensive on Bucharest, the 51st was then re-equipped with Me 110 night fighters and became the only Romanian night fighter squadron.

 

By 1943 the IAR.80 was no longer competitive, and the FARR started an overdue move to a newer fighter. The fighter in this case was the barely competitive Bf 109G. The 112s found themselves actively being used in the training role at last. The inline engine and general layout of the German designs was considered similar enough to make it useful in this role, and as a result the 112s came under the control of the Corpul 3 Aerian (3rd Air Corps). Several more of the 112s were destroyed in accidents during this time. It soldiered on in this role into late 1944, even after Romania had changed sides and joined the allies.

I'm not sure what you're trying to prove here. Yes, they were also active at other places than Bucharest. But miles away from any of the maps we have, and per your quote, only 24 were flown at all. Conversely, there were around 450 I.A.R.80/81s in service with the Aeronautica Regală Română, per Wikipedia. Some of those were based right in the center of our Stalingrad map.

[Avimimus]

On 5/19/2022 at 3:18 AM, AEthelraedUnraed said:

Conversely, there were around 450 I.A.R.80/81s in service with the Aeronautica Regală Română, per Wikipedia. Some of those were based right in the center of our Stalingrad map.

 

Not to mention the ones on the western edge of the Kuban map (flying air-defense over the Kerch straights to protect supplies to the bridgehead).

[duko]

Any news on  I.A.R.80/81 ? 

[BMA_FlyingShark]

2 hours ago, duko said:

Any news on  I.A.R.80/81 ? 

They're working on it.

Seems like they need some information about the gunsight:

So, if you can help with pictures or so, post them in the topic above.

 

Have a nice day.

 

[pencon]

I wish they would come up with a macchi200 Saetta  in this sim . Although  its a poorly performing plane it would be great to duel with the i16  .. And it  looks freakin cool . I used to fly that duel back in the il2 46  days  on quick missions .

Edited July 20, 2022 by pencon

[GasTeddy]

On 1/17/2022 at 9:48 PM, Yogiflight said:

What German players are waiting for is the StuG

Exactly. Any ideas when might it arrive? I mostly tank nowadays and have only Pzkw III. It's surprisingly handy in forest environment but at steppe its gun could have better range.

[ShamrockOneFive]

17 hours ago, GasTeddy said:

Exactly. Any ideas when might it arrive? I mostly tank nowadays and have only Pzkw III. It's surprisingly handy in forest environment but at steppe its gun could have better range.

Taking a wild guess... I'd say before the end of the year. The Churchill seems to be closing in towards being finished and we've seen the StuG's development being just a little behind it. If the Churchill arrives by say, October, then perhaps the StuG will arrive by December. Again, this is a wild guess.

[moustache]

since there is no announcement on this threat from the developers does anyone know if the smoke bombs will be added to all the tanks (smoke pot for the tiger and the PzIII and smoke shells for the sherman)? at least for the multi solo will see when we see ...

[moustache]

today, it's the first day of autumn...