Remove blood stains graphics setting option.

[Pak43]

Hi, for the videos i saw the game seems to be really very very good, but i didn't really like the blood stains graphic effects. In games like War Thunder or even Verdun/Tannenberg, you don't have those things that for many people can be very bothersome. So is there any option that disables it and makes just the screen only grey? And if not, why not not just making it? As i said, for many potential players it can make a decisive difference in if buying this game or not, since other games have options to disable those graphic effects. Thank you.

Edited November 26, 2021 by Pak43

[[DBS]Browning]

You should try it out yourself before you decide you don't like it.

Injuries make flying more difficult, and reduced situational awareness is part of that.

Obviously in multiplayer, removing the effect for some would be unfair. For single player, I believe this is something that can be partially removed with mods.

[Noisemaker]

That's blood?  I thought it was the tomato soup...

[40plus]

I here I was wishing for more. If my pilot gets hit, there should be spatter on the canopy, the controls, the gauges!

Don't get me started on what the tanks should look like after a crew member bites it....

[THERION]

@Pak43

 

I find it some kind of ridiculous to ask for something like this. We are talking about a combat flight sim, right?
So, it's absolutely clear that there might be blood stains if you got a critical injury when hit. And to be honest,
I find it's modelled moderately, without exaggeration...

Do you prefer pink cotton balls instead? I strongly suggest to try the new MS flight simulator. Maybe more
suitable for you.

Btw. your avatar picture isn't that harmless if you ask me...

Edited November 26, 2021 by THERION

[Freycinet]

15 minutes ago, THERION said:

@Pak43

 

I find it some kind of ridiculous to ask for something like this. We are talking about a combat flight sim, right?
So, it's absolutely clear that there might be blood stains if you got a critical injury when hit. And to be honest,
I find it's modelled moderately, without exaggeration...

Do you prefer pink cotton balls instead? I strongly suggest to try the new MS flight simulator. Maybe more
suitable for you.

Btw. your avatar picture isn't that harmless if you ask me...

 

No need to get angry at anyone for this simple request. Try to wind down the aggression.

 

I think it would be a good idea as an option. Also for kids playing the sim.

 

Nothing wrong with respecting the opinion of others even if you don't share it.

[Irishratticus72]

2 hours ago, Noisemaker said:

That's blood?  I thought it was the tomato soup...

 

[Raven109]

It might be a combat sim, but combat doesn't necessarily imply "carnage". Two pilots can dogfight, one of them ends up bailing, it's still combat in the end, without any bloodshed.

 

I'd say that we need to keep in mind that people play this game due to it having multiple facets. Some like the war birds, some the combat maneuvers, some the competition, some the history and scenarios, and yes, some probably like the depiction of war, and some might like a combination of the facets. It follows that a person who is interested in how the warbirds work and/or the combat maneuvers might not really have any attraction towards the ugly side of war. (you can actually see this debate on the TAW threads, where some players expect a fair and level competition, without any schute-killing, while others expect full-on war, with all its ugliness - within the limits of the current simulation, of course).

 

Having said this, I find the current effects to be acceptable - they are really tame compared to other games, but I also understand that some people might have an unpleasant reaction to them. Given that injuries from a 1st person view can be simulated in different ways (as seen in other games), the devs might have some leeway here to satisfy an even bigger audience.

[Avimimus]

The amount of blood from a wound is also highly variable... as are the effects. The splatter effect mainly serves to notify the player they are wounded and distract them (simulating pain once the adrenaline wears off?)

 

But it isn't like a flesh wound to the outer leg would cause the goggles to suddenly feel up with blood.

Edited November 26, 2021 by Avimimus

[Ribbon]

It woukd be nice if devs could appeal to every group/individual player but those are not decisive/high priority things while so much is missing from the sim (bombers, PTO and such).

Let them fill the game with important things first!

 

As you try il2 you'll find it's much more prone to realism than WT and goal is not to get injured, even then mostly it's too late and attacker will finish you with or without blood graphics....also in all my il2 gameplay career being injured is in rare occasions, mostly is your plane is heavily damaged and barely controlable or i'm dead anyway.

Il2 planes DM don't have health bar being one big hitbox decreasing that health bar....it's rather where your plane is being hit....it's not like on first hit in the wing, tail or engine that will your pilot get blood vision, only if pilot gets hit blood vision occur and in many cases pilot gets killed.

Try it before making decisions over such details!

[Jaws2002]

"From my mother’s sleep I fell into the State,

And I hunched in its belly till my wet fur froze.

Six miles from earth, loosed from its dream of life,

I woke to black flak and the nightmare fighters.

When I died they washed me out of the turret with a hose."

[=621=Samikatz]

I imagine you could probably replace the texture with a blank one with a mod?

[Cpt_Siddy]

4 hours ago, Noisemaker said:

That's blood?  I thought it was the tomato soup...

[Noisemaker]

1 hour ago, Cpt_Siddy said:

You, sir, win the internet for today.

[BlitzPig_EL]

High Gore = 1

 

Be sure.

[S10JlAbraxis]

Some people really do not like the sight of blood so I would have no problem with an option added to eliminate the blood (not as a priority but when they can fit it in).  Personally, I would like to see more blood such as on the interior of the cockpit to make the sim more realistic.  

[Avimimus]

5 hours ago, =621=Samikatz said:

I imagine you could probably replace the texture with a blank one with a mod?

 

There were definitely a couple of mods like that for Rise of Flight - so it is likely still possible (and may already exist).

[[F.Circus]FrangibleCover]

I don't love the jam effect, to be honest. I recognise what it's depicting, but it's neither realistic nor pretty. Anyone here actually been shot and can tell us what it looks like?

 

I certainly don't think it's realistic for you to be flying along with your blood splashed all over your instrument console like a cheap Japanese horror movie, I wouldn't be up for that.

[SharpeXB]

There should be some penalty or effect for being wounded. Other than this graphic there’s not really another option. And it would be unrealistic to not simulate wounding. 

[Strewth]

In all fairness. I understand to a degree where some people are coming from.

BUT - This is a "Combat" Flight Simulator, which the development team pride themselves on making as realistic as possible without being arcadey.

It is hard to cater for every type of injury.
It is NOT real blood, just a few red blotches, representing injury. Injuries did and still do happen in combat.

As far as I am aware, no animals were harmed in the making of this product.

So all should be good.

Cheers.

[Thad]

Oh well. I'm a retired career Marine. War is brutal, bloody and maiming. There is nothing pretty or clean about it.

 

That being said, I think it would be great to have a taser system developed that shocked us pilots/tankers when he/she is hit. If killed we could end up quivering on the floor.

 

Now that would be simulating deadly wounds. Gotta love it. I'm sick that way. ?

[1PL-Husar-1Esk]

In FC I would like to see more feedback for the combat flight simulator,  when I hit a player model from few meters I would like to see some blood particles visible. I'm aiming for meat and metal. I see sparks hitting the engine why not blood from player model.  This of course as option in menu.  Games have blood since always and this genre is not for kids anyway. 

[Beebop]

1 hour ago, 1PL-Husar-1Esk said:

when I hit a player model from few meters I would like to see some blood particles visible. I'm aiming for meat and metal. I see sparks hitting the engine why not blood from player model.

"IL-2 Sturmovik: Battle of the Texas Chainsaws (Massacre Edition)".  Fly as Lt. Leatherface and after you force an enemy to land get out of the cockpit with your chainsaw in hand.....

 

@Pak43, You're worried about blood?  You do realize that unless you only fly for the US or Great Britain you are flying for one of the worst dictators the world has ever seen?  And blood depictions are your priority?  

[Raven109]

7 hours ago, SharpeXB said:

There should be some penalty or effect for being wounded. Other than this graphic there’s not really another option. And it would be unrealistic to not simulate wounding. 

 

There are penalties... if you're hit hard enough you can barely move your controls, and in some situation can't even gather the energy to bail. Also you can barely see.

 

Regarding other types of wounds, some pilots reported feeling warm "fluid" running down their legs, long before feeling the actual pain. Adrenaline rush during an engagement will probably help you do crazy stuff and only after you're out of danger you might start realizing that you were wounded.

 

What I'd like to see is: smoke leaking into the cockpit to the point where you can't breath/see, coolant/oil leaking into the cockpit and dripping down your legs (as seen in some diaries), unbearable heat effects from engine fires. I'm not saying that I need to see the actual pilot getting hurt, but some effects on pilot view (pulsing screen borders - or something similar) and also some effects on piloting the plane. I feel simulations are a bit impersonal and leave out the human side of things, which was a big part in combat.

19 minutes ago, Beebop said:

@Pak43, You're worried about blood?  You do realize that unless you only fly for the US or Great Britain you are flying for one of the worst dictators the world has ever seen?  And blood depictions are your priority?  

 

It's a game about planes, air/ground combat, there's no ideology in the game, nor any political layer (unless the player's mind creates it.....).

Edited November 27, 2021 by Raven109

[1PL-Husar-1Esk]

56 minutes ago, Beebop said:

"IL-2 Sturmovik: Battle of the Texas Chainsaws (Massacre Edition)".  Fly as Lt. Leatherface and after you force an enemy to land get out of the cockpit with your chainsaw in hand.....

 

@Pak43, You're worried about blood?  You do realize that unless you only fly for the US or Great Britain you are flying for one of the worst dictators the world has ever seen?  And blood depictions are your priority?  

You sound immature, exaggerating. Blood is normal , in this game players are killing each others. Blood  is part of the feedback not to pleasure sadistic people.

Edited November 27, 2021 by 1PL-Husar-1Esk

[Beebop]

30 minutes ago, Raven109 said:

there's no ideology in the game, nor any political layer

Which is why the Dev's ban swastikas....❔

[Guster]

In good ole RB3D one could bleed out, so returning to base after taking one through the lungs was a pretty good idea.

 

That was pretty neat.

[Beebop]

3 minutes ago, 1PL-Husar-1Esk said:

You sound immature, exaggerating.

Clearly my admittedly sketchy humor was lost on you concerning the first part of the post.

[1PL-Husar-1Esk]

9 minutes ago, Beebop said:

Clearly my admittedly sketchy humor was lost on you concerning the first part of the post.

I don't know what you think,  if you like virtual massacres or not.

Many gamers do love to kill  see gore and couse mayhem.

Edited November 27, 2021 by 1PL-Husar-1Esk

[Raven109]

9 minutes ago, Beebop said:

Which is why the Dev's ban swastikas....❔

 

Precisely... to remove symbols of a political/ideological layer (to be compliant to regulations around the world), and to open the game to a wider audience. 

Edited November 27, 2021 by Raven109

[Beebop]

2 minutes ago, 1PL-Husar-1Esk said:

I don't know what you think,  if you like massacres or not.

Oh come on!  Really?  I done here.

[1PL-Husar-1Esk]

6 minutes ago, Beebop said:

Oh come on!  Really?  I done here.

I do wonder many gamers do love to kill  see gore and couse mayhem. Better in video game unleash those affections not in real life. For most is enough.

Edited November 27, 2021 by 1PL-Husar-1Esk

[Pict]

15 hours ago, Jaws2002 said:

"From my mother’s sleep I fell into the State,

And I hunched in its belly till my wet fur froze.

Six miles from earth, loosed from its dream of life,

I woke to black flak and the nightmare fighters.

When I died they washed me out of the turret with a hose."

 

Quick Jaws, watch this before you loose conciousness all together 

 

 

[Denum]

15 hours ago, BlitzPig_EL said:

High Gore = 1

 

Be sure.

*Runs to alter his startup* 

 

Is it like 1946?

[BlitzPig_EL]

No.  But I had to post it, a few of us remember it I see.

[69th_Panp]

21 hours ago, Freycinet said:

Nothing wrong with respecting the opinion of others even if you don't share it.

+ 1 ?

[Livai]

21 hours ago, THERION said:

We are talking about a combat flight sim, right?

So, it's absolutely clear that there might be blood stains if you got a critical injury when hit.

 

I can't do minced meat from bailed out players in MP or SP, even when I use the propellers from my plane. With 2000kg bombs I don't impress any infantry. Did I something wrong???

 

The answer is below

 

[RyanR]

Just tell your kids that hydraulic fluid is red like transmission fluid?

 

At some point you gotta start explaining stuff to your kids. Don't they see blood when they get a splinter? This sim takes place over the most "questionable content" that mankind has historically ever produced. The sim brings in a lot of history. If you read the "daily news" in-game, what's happening (especially at Stalingrad) is chilling. You can't fly on either side and not feel some guilt or be moved by the senseless stupidity of it.

 

I mean, everybody dies in Oregon Trail.

 

-Ryan

[SharpeXB]

11 hours ago, Raven109 said:

What I'd like to see is: smoke leaking into the cockpit to the point where you can't breath/see, coolant/oil leaking into the cockpit and dripping down your legs (as seen in some diaries), unbearable heat effects from engine fires.

Have you seen your cockpit filled with smoke and flames recently? It’s fantastically realistic and terrifying.

[danielprates]

Every now and then this discussion resurfaces and it ends up being as unproductive as the previous 1000 times.

 

Some guys dont like it, some insist on it, most don't have hard feelings either way; it would be ok if it were a togleable feature but it is fornl sure not gamebreaking at any rate; bringing up philosophical issues to this matter is besides the point, and the concrete arguments raised are normally ridiculous.

 

That's the current jurisprudence iirc. Now let's call it a day and shut this thread nice and tight?