Is There Such A Thing As "Too Much" GPU for FC VR MP?

December 8, 2021

I'd personally just be leery of OEM GPU.. HP.. Dell, etc have enough cash and resources to fund their own GPU and OEM GPU's tend to be 2nd rate compared to third party GPU manufacturers. I personally side with DrewM3i on this call.. It's so flipping easy to put a PC together these days - and I say that as a fairly new father with NO spare time.. I managed to put a new rig together last week.

December 8, 2021

2 hours ago, Todt_Von_Oben said:

Thanks 332FG. I know I got a great deal but I'm not going to rebuild a new computer; just don't have the time.

I gave it my best shot. I get the feeling you may be right and there may be something wrong with the GPU connection at the MB but I'm not going to pull the board. I'm sending everything back for a refund.

Today I bought this OMEN R9 via Amazon. We get 5% back in points, it comes via a safer carrier, and it's a hotter rig. Plus 3-years protection plan. In the end this cost me about $850 more than I invested in my sale-price 5800X / 3080. It gets delivered next week. I'll deal with the return and refund of the Corsair separately. Not worried; it will all work out.

What do you think of this one? ?

HP OMEN 30L (Nov 2021 model) Gaming Desktop PC (AMD Ryzen 9 5900X Processor RGB Liquid Cooled; NVIDIA RTX 3090 GPU, 800 Watt PSU, Windows 10 Pro, 512GB PCI-E SSD + 2TB HDD, 16GB HyperX RGB RAM.

Basically, it's got a better CPU, GPU, and two drives. I'll use the provided 3200 RAM and then buy the hottest RAM with the lowest latency I can find.

Before I built my PC, I bought an Omen 30L from Best Buy and was very unimpressed with it. The cpu in the thing idled at 60C, the Gpu could not overclock at all without crashing, and you cannot upgrade the ram with HP's proprietary (read: garbage) motherboard. So you are stuck with a throttling cpu and gpu, low frequency and high latency (cheap) ram which cripples cpu performance, and a gpu that is a 3090 in name only but will perform more like a 3080 ti.

The more I think about it, the more I think your issues are ram related. Before sending it back, try different ram sticks.

Edited December 8, 2021 by -332FG-drewm3i-VR

December 8, 2021

Thanks, 332FG. I believe you. I cancelled the Omen and will keep trying with the Corsair.

The Rep has been completely cooperative. I can send it back if I can't get it working, but there's still time and a few things to try; the RAM again (with the new GPU) for example. I can spend $49 and get tech aid setting it up. Think I will.

If it's not a setup problem (which it might be) I would think it's the motherboard; maybe the GPU connection has an unseen fault? Don't know. I am tired of pulling motherboards from my old computer but it wouldn't be that hard to replace this one.

I think you're right about this being a good rig and will continue trying to get it working. Thanks for the PIREP. Feeling like we dodged some thunder-bumpers there! ?

Edited December 8, 2021 by Todt_Von_Oben

December 8, 2021

Okay! Just swapped email with the Rep; I've still got 62 days to return the Corsair so I'm going to try to get it working.

I asked him for a motherboard if one's needed; he'll reply tomorrow but I'm expecting a green light.

332FG if you hadn't piped up, I'd have made a big mistake. Thank you! I'll fly your wing anytime. ?

December 8, 2021

ADNOTE: I'm looking at another one for a couple hundred more than that Omen I cancelled. This one looks more like da kine. ?

It's a SKYTECH PRISM II Gaming Computer; $3999 at Newegg but I paid $4299 at Amazon because we get 5% back in points AND they ship via FREE USPS; saving us $200 in UPS shipping and mishandling.

This is in a standard "Corsair" type desktop housing with all the usual fans, lights, etc. Externally, it looks like the 3080 rig I first ordered but with the following components:

AMD Ryzen 9 5900X 3.7 GHz, RTX 3090 24G GDDR6X, 1TB NVME SSD, 16G DDR4 3200, 1000W Gold PSU, 360mm AIO, AC Wi-Fi, Windows 10 Home 64-bit

I don't know what the motherboard is but with all that I'm expecting a 570. And I'd buy 32GB of faster, low latency RAM later on.

Whatayathink? Good, eh? ?

Edited December 8, 2021 by Todt_Von_Oben

December 8, 2021

14 minutes ago, Todt_Von_Oben said:

ADNOTE: I'm looking at another one for a couple hundred more than that Omen I cancelled. This one looks more like da kine. ?

This is in a standard "Corsair" type desktop housing with all the usual fans, lights, etc. Externally, it looks like the 3080 rig I first ordered but with the following components:

AMD Ryzen 9 5900X 3.7 GHz, RTX 3090 24G GDDR6X, 1TB NVME SSD, 16G DDR4 3200, 1000W Gold PSU, 360mm AIO, AC Wi-Fi, Windows 10 Home 64-bit

I don't know what the motherboard is but with all that I'm expecting a 570. And I'd buy 32GB of faster, low latency RAM later on.

Whatayathink? Good? ?

Link? I really think what you have is great once it is up and running. No need to go too crazy as it's always better to upgrade generationally than get the highest sku part now. The value is always in the Ryzen 5/7 and RTX 3070-3080 range for around $2,000-$2,500. Once you go higher, you'll pay 50-100% more for 10-15% more performance at best.

December 8, 2021

332FG:

Here's the link to that computer on Newegg; I'd get it at Amazon for $200 more, but free shipping makes up for the price difference and the carrier is more careful; in this neighborhood, anyway. (What's happened to the global work ethic?)

I totally hear ya about the cost and I know the 3070 and 3080 are a better buy in terms of performance yield.

Right now, a comparable 5800X - 3080 rig is about 3/4 the price of this one. If I'm going that far, I figure I might as well go all the way.

I've thought about it a lot and the money isn't as important to me as the quality of the VR experience. I've seen video comparisons online and know the difference isn't much at all; but call me crazy, I want that extra 10 to 15% performance. ?

And really, I am burned out working on computers these past couple months. I don't really want to have to swap a motherboard in that 5800X rig; and it's looking like that's what it needs. No guarantee I'll be able to fix it and it's more time and work either way I'd like to be done with this and move on.

I'm willing to spend the money. I understand and appreciate your advice; I'm usually pretty frugal, myself. And I am in generally agreement with all the points you made. But this is one of those times when I don't want to be wondering how much better the 3090 would have been.

But whatayathink of this rig? If only by a little, it will still perform better than the 5800X / 3080ti, right? ?

https://www.newegg.com/st-prismll-0302-b-am-skytech-prism-ii-gaming-pc-desktop/p/3D5-000Z-00053?quicklink=true

Edited December 8, 2021 by Todt_Von_Oben

December 8, 2021

That's a very good prebuilt PC, but the price is almost double what I paid to build mine. If you are okay with that, go for it!

December 8, 2021

Thank you, 332FG.

Yeah, it's awfully expensive but I'm really tired of what I'm going through with my old Cybertron breaking down and the new Corsair arriving in need of a rebuild. It's been very time consuming and frustrating; and I'm still not sure we'll ever get the Corsair to work. If I have to send it back a month from now, I'll have wasted that time and still not been able to fly.

At this point in my life, I have many obligations and my time is more important than the money it will take to solve this gaming computer problem. I really can't afford to invest any more time. So as long as you agree this computer's a good one; that's good enough for me.

I just bought it. Should be here next week. ?

12 hours ago, =420=Syphen said:

I'd personally just be leery of OEM GPU.. HP.. Dell, etc have enough cash and resources to fund their own GPU and OEM GPU's tend to be 2nd rate compared to third party GPU manufacturers. I personally side with DrewM3i on this call.. It's so flipping easy to put a PC together these days - and I say that as a fairly new father with NO spare time.. I managed to put a new rig together last week.

I hear ya! But it's all a matter of personal ability; I'm not as sharp at computer building as you guys are.

I looked into piecing one together several times; the price and availability of parts like the 5800X and 3080 / 3080ti is all over the scope. And I really don't know what I'm doing there so a prebuilt is best for me.

As a novice builder, I'll agree the basic process of assembly ain't hard at all. I've always been technologically oriented.

But man! With this "no boot" problem, I've been watching many videos and there's all sorts of things that might be wrong, need to be adjusted, or have to be checked with gaming computers using this hi-perf range of CPU and GPU, just to get it to boot up.

And many of the dudes making tutorial videos these days really shouldn't be. Society is generating a new species of "Talking Head" and many of them are more about style than substance. Stop mumbling! Think before you speak! Mind your camera angles! And save the "cutie pie" routine! Just tell me in clear terms how the damn thing works!!!

(See? I get frustrated and angry; which ain't good for my head or my health LOL! ?)

I fabricate unique machines and have some high-dollar projects in the works at this time. The next three years, my schedule is choked. Just can't afford to spend any more time trying to fix or build a gaming computer. I need something that will plug and play.

So, for better or worse, I bought the R9 - 3090 tonight. Hopefully soon I can enjoy a VR flight in my downtime; for the first time in several months.

Prosit! ?

Edited December 8, 2021 by Todt_Von_Oben

December 8, 2021

ON SECOND THOUGHT...

Watched a couple videos about similar rigs. Realized this particular 3090 really isn't all that fast as gaming 3090's go.

I got to thinking again about what you guys were saying. The 3090 looks like overkill for IL2-FC. Checking comparisons and benchmarks, I can get as good (and sometimes better) performance with an R7 / 3080 or 3080ti than I can with an R9 and this particular "pedestrian" 3090.

So, I cancelled it and am back looking for something like what I started out with.

Edited December 8, 2021 by Todt_Von_Oben

December 8, 2021

https://www.asus.com/us/support/FAQ/1042678/

According to their trouble shooter, if your using an HDMI to monitor you may have to set it to use an HDMI signal in the bios.

December 8, 2021

Thanks CPT CRUNCH; I'll check it out. Things like that are very helpful to me and I appreciate you making the effort. ?

THE LATEST: When the computer first arrived, the GPU had a little excess vertical movement; about 3/4 to 1" at the outer right corner; and the locking clip rattled. I think it was damaged before I got it and that may have caused the white LED indicating a GPU problem.

I pulled the 3080 four times and the 3080ti once in checking things out. Last night, I depressed the locking catch to remove the GPU and not only the catch but part of the plastic where it mounts on the GPU DIN jack broke off and fell into the PSU bay. ☹️

I emailed the Rep today for a replacement MB. Waiting to hear back now.

I spent hours last night checking prebuilts with 3070, 3080, and 3080ti. Everything I saw had some components I liked but others I didn't. I don't think I can do better than to put a 3080ti into my R7 5800X rig for a grand total of $2699.00 USD. (What I paid for the Corsair on sale.)

So hell, it looks like I'm gonna keep trying to fix it. It's like a $4500 computer if I can make it work. Even if I have to buy a motherboard ($190) it will be worth it. But I'm hoping he'll give me one.

The struggle goes on..... ?

Edited December 8, 2021 by Todt_Von_Oben

December 8, 2021

Gotta say that I've enjoyed following this thread: The plot twists have read like a good book.

I have an EVGA 3090 FTW in my rig, and it performs well -- not sure if it's worth the several hundred dollar premium over the 3080s, though. Not apples to apples when compared to what you're investigating, but my (now ancient) 10900k @ 5.2 GHz tends to be the bottleneck. Because my CPU is now (unbelievably... just a year ago) two generations old, I can't upgrade unless I get a new motherboard to go with it.

Were I you, I'd try to muster the patience and get the Corsair rig working... upgrade to the 4090 next year!

Until then, I'll keep reading.

December 8, 2021

1 hour ago, YouBet said:

Gotta say that I've enjoyed following this thread: The plot twists have read like a good book.

I have an EVGA 3090 FTW in my rig, and it performs well -- not sure if it's worth the several hundred dollar premium over the 3080s, though. Not apples to apples when compared to what you're investigating, but my (now ancient) 10900k @ 5.2 GHz tends to be the bottleneck. Because my CPU is now (unbelievably... just a year ago) two generations old, I can't upgrade unless I get a new motherboard to go with it.

Were I you, I'd try to muster the patience and get the Corsair rig working... upgrade to the 4090 next year!

Until then, I'll keep reading.

Thank you! It has been somewhat of an odyssey so far, hasn't it? ?

The EVGA sounds like a good one. I hear you about the price; been going through that in my mind a lot lately. I was willing to spend the money but the 3090 I was going to get wasn't one of the hot ones. So I cancelled the sales and determined to fix this one. It's got really good bones. I could do a lot with it. First I want to get it working and fly it for a while; but then I'm looking for about 32GB of 4000-ish, lo-lat RAM. That should hold me for a while, I think.

So yes, I made that commitment; gonna get it working. The Rep just sent me a new motherboard; it's Wednesday so 2-Day Air won't be available for pickup at the UPS store until five days from now. LOL!

Been looking at what's available as a prebuilts all last night and I do believe I already have something better. Not looking anymore; I'm gonna make this one work.

I think this has become a pretty good thread; I've learned hugely from it and the info will help those wanting to buy or learn to build a gaming computer. Thanks for participating!

December 10, 2021

FRIDAY FOLLOW UP

The free replacement motherboard has shipped and is on the way. GREAT customer service!

Since all the harnesses, fans, and such are already installed; the MB swap is pretty simple; I think I can do it. If this works, I could be up and flying a pretty hot rig by the middle of next week.

Prosit! ?

December 10, 2021

And once you've learned to swap a MB, you've pretty much learned everything you'd ever need to do building your own rig other then sourcing the parts.

December 11, 2021

5 hours ago, =420=Syphen said:

And once you've learned to swap a MB, you've pretty much learned everything you'd ever need to do building your own rig other then sourcing the parts.

Yep. No engineering required; pretty much plug-and-play with a small number of basic components. Easy. I think the average non-technologically oriented person could follow the instructions and assemble a computer with a good chance of success, first time out.

I was looking at these last night; not that I need one but as an alternative I hadn't seen before. (URL)

I can see where the guy who has a stockpile of parts (RAM, GPU's, etc.) could get a "bare bones" kit (case and CPU) and build one using salvaged parts for a few hundred bucks.

I'm gonna hang in here and get my 5800X-3080ti Corsair flying; it's worth building. You guys gave me the straight scoop on that; I checked.

Everybody raves about that combination. Looking at the prebuilts, they are either sold out or priced sky high now. I was lucky to get one before the Christmas rush started; wouldn't have known without the folks on this thread.

Matter of fact, you guys kept me from shooting my own foot off two or three times, as I recollect.

Yeah, I wanna build this one. When I get like this about a machine, I don't care what it takes; it's gonna work and it's gonna be BAAAAAAD! ?

But check these out as a starting point. And this isn't even one of the better ones; just one I found in the computer's History when I was looking for an example just now. If a guy had some parts, he could turn something like this into a monster. "Bare bones." I like the concept. Lots of potential there, I think. ?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/373805157146?_trkparms=amclksrc%3DITM%26aid%3D1110002%26algo%3DSPLICE.SOI%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D235467%26meid%3Ddb85958624584b32a2275e260db1b1e6%26pid%3D101196%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D12%26sd%3D393601805418%26itm%3D373805157146%26pmt%3D1%26noa%3D0%26pg%3D2047675%26algv%3DPromotedSellersOtherItemsV2WithMLRv3%26brand%3DCustom%2C+Whitebox&_trksid=p2047675.c101196.m2219&amdata=cksum%3A373805157146db85958624584b32a2275e260db1b1e6|enc%3AAQAGAAACEH3t5baShENiVrj%2BIkts8%2FWMHb1eBmiMxL2BbdCUQc5KmaN5AXZYrBqmA6PrfUxYyT9GMGWuy7zrUpxN%2FVW3Rq32SDZo1lylRF4i%2FTWIMLMscjsjQu5SqKz6ETbkDKIzVNpRF2w1adQALfSLQvES3w3xpi1p2Qsa5SlC1QiyoM34dulot9ccHR64rUY4UVB3EEsYvfdbw%2B8cvPHnQdqchh57OYRShr4Lq58Zf92PxthN7xsTSxvN7Laf52W6iu6rB77qpormZ2cJrVG%2Frb12uoFvt75BcsO7rpvSTs81ZhOaheW4nwjAso4H3WHgW9h7UtXfa7ESelartQpiijJSukaIsK%2FMWloZh1XTj8H9Sq%2B3DBBtpCBG%2B14PCBOTS05BCCBankk54yeW02KOVX3%2FZzNUNiwaBngmQQEBRK8XXNJyAZ9xL%2FL05LJJFqTmn5nj6RlR2q97C%2FpFy4aG5q2DAOTIuKpwqA01N9UCkIFeXH9hOCYeSjJyFy3FYwHypPbAV2a7hn02cn2eC10y9NNOUtF%2F6T3bcBUT4WLWEZLmEM23ieupqzebjPoGYRhC5vw02xAznnlbZ%2FxmCN1VqZZQebszZQ9%2F7y2%2BXpbRm4d8TXkb7YDhu70JVMLf0cOpHHIu3%2BpYPrJXxQgb2ozdjVH%2BMxKAkuR3CEia5pSlg%2FZ2AQt%2B9nHXcH0RgNonY7VwE%2ByeYw%3D%3D|ampid%3APL_CLK|clp%3A2047675

December 12, 2021

BTW: Regarding whether or not Graphics 630 is enough to run IL2 BOS or FC on a monitor: I finally found a comparison with the GTX 660 and it looks like G630 will run BOS with about 50% more than the minimum requirement. In contrast, the GTX 660 gives 275% more than minimum performance.

So, it looks like Graphics 630 will run IL2 BOS FC on a monitor; but just barely. I'd expect lousy graphics.

I could try this on my wife's new desktop but I won't.

If anyone with a G630 was wondering; there ya go. It will work but not very well.

December 13, 2021

CORSAIR BUILD: ANOTHER GREMLIN FOUND AND DISPATCHED ?

Adding the third PCI-E cable for the 3080ti took my last available 8-pin jack on the modular PSU.

The MB has two CPU connections: and 8 and a 4 pin. Problem is, they are separate cables and both have solid 8-pin connectors on the PSU end.

I bought this connector as a solution today; solves the 8 + 4 problem and only requires one 8-pin jack at the PSU.

It was cheap; $13.95 with free shipping via Amazon. I don't mind spending a couple bucks to get this rig running.

But whereas the MB arrives tomorrow, there's no hurry to install it because the cable won't arrive until shortly before Christmas.

It's another disappointing delay but oh well; I try to look on the bright side. Might be flying before New Years, anyway. LOL! ?

December 13, 2021

Just so you know, power supplies can be awful finicky about using cables other than the ones they ship with. If you have any sort of trouble the cable should be suspect number one. But being its a generic sold for purpose it's more than likely good to go.

December 13, 2021

8 hours ago, [CPT]Crunch said:

Just so you know, power supplies can be awful finicky about using cables other than the ones they ship with. If you have any sort of trouble the cable should be suspect number one. But being its a generic sold for purpose it's more than likely good to go.

You're right and that's a problem all new builders should know about; it almost got me.

I was searching online for a 4+4 pin cable and found something that looked like it would work. Then I enlarged the pics of the plugs and noticed the plug wasn't exactly the same.

Then I noticed most of the cable ads had notes about what they were compatible with. The Corsair and Thermaltake products have their own kind of plugs and wires. I added them to my search and found this one.

The specs say it works with the Corsair computers and my 850 PSU, specifically. I then visually checked all the plugs and jacks; identical. Only then did I buy it.

But I still don't know if it's going to work or not. To me, it looks like it should.

My present plan is to plug the 8-pin into the PSU, the other-end 8-pin into the CPU plug at the MB, and whichever of those 4-pin plugs into the 4-pin CPU jack on the MB. If I understand the system correctly, I think that should work. But I've never actually done this particular job before so I don't know for sure.

I saw others mention this same kind of wiring problem; doesn't seem uncommon. Lots of similar wires for similar boards out there; older boards with the 4 and 8 pin CPU jacks connecting to modular PSU. I surmise this is the answer to that kind of problem for my MB and PSU.

But I don't know for sure and right now I'm at the "try it and see" phase.

I hope you're right and we're "good to go." I should have the MB in the next 24 hours but won't have that cable until the 22nd. I've got the computer set up to swap the boards but I want to connect those hard-to-reach top-left CPU connections as I set the board on the case mounts; so I'm down 'til a little before Christmas.

As always, thanks for the G2. ?

ADDIT: QUESTION TO ALL: The 3080 only had two harnesses; the 3080ti has three and that's the source of the present wiring problem; not enough jacks at the PSU. I understand the third power cable is to ensure graphic performance under some sort of extreme load.

Do you think I'd be able to get the computer to at least boot up if I only run two power cables to the 3080ti GPU?

(That way I could try it today or tomorrow; instead of waiting for the cable to arrive on the 22nd. But if anyone knows that wouldn't work, there's no point in swapping the boards right now.)

Edited December 13, 2021 by Todt_Von_Oben

December 13, 2021

1 hour ago, Todt_Von_Oben said:

ADDIT: QUESTION TO ALL: The 3080 only had two harnesses; the 3080ti has three and that's the source of the present wiring problem; not enough jacks at the PSU. I understand the third power cable is to ensure graphic performance under some sort of extreme load.

Do you think I'd be able to get the computer to at least boot up if I only run two power cables to the 3080ti GPU?

(That way I could try it today or tomorrow; instead of waiting for the cable to arrive on the 22nd. But if anyone knows that wouldn't work, there's no point in swapping the boards right now.)

It will require the 3rd power supply - if you use a splitter and your power supply is not up to the task / power demands at your GPU's TDP.. you'll 'brown out' and get hard crashes every time the GPU loads up. The 3080Ti is a thirsty card. 350w TDP. What is your current model of Power supply? How many watts? Model number?

You may need to change your power supply.

December 13, 2021

3 hours ago, =420=Syphen said:

It will require the 3rd power supply - if you use a splitter and your power supply is not up to the task / power demands at your GPU's TDP.. you'll 'brown out' and get hard crashes every time the GPU loads up. The 3080Ti is a thirsty card. 350w TDP. What is your current model of Power supply? How many watts? Model number?

You may need to change your power supply.

Okay, I'll forget trying to boot it on two GPU cables. Thanks! ?

It's a Corsair RM-850X Gold Plus PSU @ 850 watts. That's what it came equipped with when it had a 3080. From what I've read I believe that should be adequate.

Your thoughts?

Edited December 13, 2021 by Todt_Von_Oben

December 13, 2021

Yes the Corsair RM850 should be suitable. If I had to guess, your system TDP will be somewhere around 650-700w, but that is a complete guess on my part. You'll just need the correct cables for the PSU. 2 of the standard GPU cables will give you a total of 4x 8 pin GPU connectors. Don't use a splitter on one cable.

December 13, 2021

4 minutes ago, =420=Syphen said:

Yes the Corsair RM850 should be suitable. If I had to guess, your system TDP will be somewhere around 650-700w, but that is a complete guess on my part. You'll just need the correct cables for the PSU. 2 of the standard GPU cables will give you a total of 4x 8 pin GPU connectors. Don't use a splitter on one cable.

Thanks! I found this:

"So, the RTX 3090 Founders Edition has a 350 W TDP, which is 30 W higher than the TDP of the RTX 3080 and a whopping 130 W more than the TDP of the RTX 3070.

Similarly, the TDP of the RTX 3090 Founders Edition is almost 35% higher than the TDP of the RTX 2080 Ti Founders Edition and 40% more than the reference spec card. Even the TITAN RTX only has a TDP of 280 W, so the RTX 3090 Founders Edition is one thirsty card.

However, the RTX 3090 can go much higher than 350 W. EMTEK has developed an RTX 3090 card with a 410 W TDP, for example, which requires 3x 8-pin power connectors.

The GeForce RTX 3090 24GB XENON TURBOJET OC requires at least a 750 W power supply, which is what NVIDIA recommends for the RTX 3090 Founders Edition, too.

One owner of a Gigabyte RTX 3090 Gaming OC claims to have increased the power headroom of its card to 550 W, though. The Gaming OC has a reference design PCB and is a triple-fan design. vmanuelgm of Overclock.net states that they increased the card's power consumption from 390 W to 550 W by shunt modding. GamersNexus explains shunt mods in one of its hardware guides if you are unfamiliar with the process.

Upping the power consumption to 550 W has some performance benefits, as Videocardz has outlined. In saying that, 550 W is an awful lot of power to allow a card to consume, and there will be diminishing returns in this regard. Naturally, one would need more than a 750 W power supply in a system with a 550 W graphics card, too."

Based on those first two paragraphs, I'd guess the 3080ti is somewhere between the 3080 and 3090? Somewhere between 320 and 350 watts TDP, maybe?

Fourth paragraph says a 750w PSU will support a 3090 GPU so I do believe you're confirmed: 850 watts should work for me. Thank you!

Prosit! ?

December 13, 2021

OKAY! Motherboard has arrived and looks okay but I don't have that needed extra cable yet so we won't assemble or test until the last week of December. I think we've got a good chance of success but won't know until then. Done all we can 'til then; gonna put this project to bed until Christmas.

To all who participated here: thanks for your help; couldn't have done this without you. My wife and I hope you have a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.

Prosit! ?

December 14, 2021

Merry Christmas and enjoy the new build!

December 14, 2021

Thank you and right back atcha! ?

Earlier in this thread, I bought a prebuilt R9 - 3090; realized the 3090 it had isn't the kind I wanted; and cancelled it within an hour because of what I'd learned here and researched on the 'Net. $4,397.89.

They ignored multiple cancellations and shipped it 36 hours later. It wasn't supposed to arrive for two more days but went out for delivery today. I met the truck and sent it back for a refund. Refund acknowledged by Amazon within the hour.

But I pity whoever ends up buying that computer. It's been around.

Speaking of that, I saw a customer review for a "Gladiator" (Corsair) that got returned earlier this year and just might have been the one I got on sale. It might have been repackaged, I suppose. I never was too pleased with how loose that inner foam bag was; the play in the 3080 mount; or the looseness of the GPU lock. Hmmmm. Can't be sure one way or the other.

But anyway, even though I have to partially build it, I figure it's worthwhile since I got a new MOBO and a 3080ti upgrade.

If I inherited someone else's problems; they should be gone by now. We'll see when the CPU cable arrives.

December 15, 2021

:popcorm:

December 20, 2021

Make more popcorn! ?

I've got the special PSU - CPU cable in hand (four days early; thank you USPS!) and I'm ready to swap the mobo; just gotta bring myself to do it now. ?

Just for grins, here's a similar R7-5800X / RTX 3080ti prebuilt with about the same specs: now selling for $5,124.88 USD plus shipping and tax. ?

IIRC, I paid $2,699.99 for mine. Then I received (free) a new MOBO and upgraded GPU making it comparable to what you see in the ad.

Even if mine doesn't boot up right away, it's worth hanging onto and making it work. I'll call a tech if I have to. This is una computadora rápida por poco dinero. Very grateful to those of you who kept me from making mistakes and steered me in this direction. ?

I'll fly wing for any friend on this thread and, if I'm ever in your six as a foe, I'll say a quiet "thanks again" right before I flame your ass. ?

Film at eleven..... ?

https://www.amazon.com/SkyTech-Prism-Gaming-Computer-Desktop/dp/B0979QN6B3/ref=pd_ybh_a_NaN/141-2948669-9941418?pd_rd_w=xHbRb&pf_rd_p=5b50fa67-c855-4853-bcaf-579230bfb9aa&pf_rd_r=62EZ6DTMT5HQ24PRV7DG&pd_rd_r=261fe5cb-37c2-4b40-a4a3-1adea318b101&pd_rd_wg=t8w69&pd_rd_i=B0979QN6B3&psc=1

Edited December 20, 2021 by Todt_Von_Oben

December 21, 2021

Wow... crazy ride. I haven't had that kind of drama in building a PC since the Pentium II days (my first real machine, a 486-DX2 66 was pre-built). One was a problem with metal type mismatch between the SIMM and MB (one was tin, one was gold, IIRC... it was a long time ago), and other was a slightly oversized MB screw lip catching a trace.

Today's machines are legos. They just go together. Kids these days... never having to worry about interrupt availability, driver loading order in HIMEM, or any of that other fun stuff just to play some Falcon 3. ?

December 21, 2021

1 hour ago, Capt_Hook said:

Wow... crazy ride. I haven't had that kind of drama in building a PC since the Pentium II days (my first real machine, a 486-DX2 66 was pre-built). One was a problem with metal type mismatch between the SIMM and MB (one was tin, one was gold, IIRC... it was a long time ago), and other was a slightly oversized MB screw lip catching a trace.

Today's machines are legos. They just go together. Kids these days... never having to worry about interrupt availability, driver loading order in HIMEM, or any of that other fun stuff just to play some Falcon 3. ?

Lol remember game cards?

December 22, 2021

Ladies and Gentlemen,

I am writing this from my new Corsair 5800X / 3080ti gaming computer. I installed the new mobo and GPU today and she booted right up. WAHHHOOOOO! ?

I hear ya; this has been a real trek. Shipping delays, damaged goods, parts shortages; it took a while but we did it and I learned a lot. But I couldn't have done it alone. Thank you all.

I need a break; gonna go get numb and then see about hooking up my controls and VR headset.

HEY! Have a Merry Christmas and a Happy 2022! I know we're gonna!

Prosit! ?

December 22, 2021

Too funny. It's good too know that your new hot rod can do text on this thread! I say that with all respect given I bought an R10 5950X/3090 because I'm just too old (61) to go out in a pandemic to half a dozen computer stores to assemble the parts for a new PC even though I spent 35 years doing just that (my first was a CPU swap from an 8086 to an 8088 so I could play Jet better). dburne hit a soft spot with F3.0 .... remember QEMM? The way to go economically (and personal growth and satisfaction) is build your own. If you've never done it, be brave and do it. But we all make tradeoffs.... There are two games we play, the one we play in the computer and the one we play on the computer.

December 22, 2021

I hear ya. I'm 72 and have built a few things but this was my first time assembling a computer. The people here gave me good advice and I found video tutorials on how to build that same rig; so it was kind of "learn as you go" but it turned out right.

Funny thing is: I didn't want to have to build one. I'd gotten tired of trying to fix my old Cybertron so I bought a prebuilt Corsair on sale. It had problems, customer service was great, and I got upgraded. Took about a month to get it straightened out and I had to do the work myself, but it was worth it. I added up the same parts for an R7-5800X / 3080ti on a "Build-It-Yourself" site recently and it was about $5125.00. I paid $2,700.00 for mine.

But like I said, this stuff is new to me. You guys have done it enough to know what's what. For me, it's been pretty much theoretical. I THOUGHT I had it put together right; but I'd had so many failures with my Cybertron and this Corsair, when the moment came I wasn't at all sure it was going to work.

Here's how I felt when it did. ?

ADDIT: I didn't want to have to work on this computer but now I'm glad I did. I'm like that with most machines I own; hands on. Glad I was forced to find out what's inside this box and how it works. Now I feel a lot better prepared to deal with any future problems and/or make knowledgeable choices about possible future upgrades.

Edited December 22, 2021 by Todt_Von_Oben

December 22, 2021

Well done! Bravo! You ended up with a supercomputadora for few dollars. It is never late to learn new things! Only require time. Specially those days with a video on Youtube for almost everything.

You will be delighted with FC in VR all maxed-out and the new clouds.

December 22, 2021

5 hours ago, Todt_Von_Oben said:

Glad I was forced to find out what's inside this box and how it works.

December 22, 2021

15 hours ago, paul_leonard said:

Too funny. It's good too know that your new hot rod can do text on this thread! I say that with all respect given I bought an R10 5950X/3090 because I'm just too old (61) to go out in a pandemic to half a dozen computer stores to assemble the parts for a new PC even though I spent 35 years doing just that (my first was a CPU swap from an 8086 to an 8088 so I could play Jet better). dburne hit a soft spot with F3.0 .... remember QEMM? The way to go economically (and personal growth and satisfaction) is build your own. If you've never done it, be brave and do it. But we all make tradeoffs.... There are two games we play, the one we play in the computer and the one we play on the computer.

Never messed much with QEMM - I'd moved on to Strike Commander, and later Falcon 4. The original Decent got a lot of play as well - I had the full original HOTAS Thrustmaster setup with FCS/TQS/RWS, and a carefully managed high speed serial port board specifically to run it. Friends always wanted to come over and play it, as Decent was amazing with all axis functional. Almost motion-sickness inducing. That original setup cost me over $4K - It was from a reseller named Zeos. 486-DX2 66 and 12 MB RAM, 340 MB HD, and a 17" monitor. The monitor alone was like $800. Power supply failed on it a few years later and it was well worth it to haul it to a repair shop in Dallas and have new caps soldered in instead of replacing the whole thing.

I think I may still have the Falcon 4 binder here somewhere - it was a really nice binder that the game came with.

December 22, 2021

On 12/22/2021 at 12:57 AM, J2_Bidu said:

I always loved Donald Sutherland's "Oddball" portrayal. That "catching some rays" and "I just ride 'em" comment sounds like how I feel right now. ?

One of my favorite Oddball lines in KELLY'S HEROES is that exchange with Don Rickles, "Not tonight? Got something else planned?? What could be more important that millions of dollars in gold?!?"

"Come around tonight, Crapgame, and we'll show you." ?

The CSR sent me the code; I'll try to get Windows 10 working today. Then we're good to go.

I might not be flying VR till mid-January, though. I have a hearing problem that needs attention and don't have a treatment appointment until the first week of 2022. Meanwhile, I'm deaf in my left, only about 30% in my right, my head feels like it's in a vise. Can't wear headphones; high pitches stab like needles. Another 2-1/2 weeks of this? Schnit. ?

Anyway, I'm going to try to get FC working today with TIR and speakers. Bought a 49" curved Samsung just before I got the Rift; it looked pretty good with my old Cybertron / GTX 1050ti and I'm guessing it will look even better with this CPU and GPU.

Prosit!

ADDIT: Okay! I just got it to recognize the Windows authentication code the CSR sent me. As I understand it, what I need to do now is go to my IL2-FC files, find my purchase links, and hit that blue "download" icon to load them into this computer and I'm back in business. Coming right along!

Another funny Oddball moment:

German Panzer Commander: "But you... the American Army!"

Oddball: "Oh no, baby; we ain't." ?

Edited December 23, 2021 by Todt_Von_Oben

December 23, 2021

Crazy. I had a Zeos as well. They were Editors Choice in PCMag in the day. Also definitely have the Falcon binder plus a VHS tape that came out to teach BFM using Falcon. Wish I still had a VCR... sigh

Is There Such A Thing As "Too Much" GPU for FC VR MP?

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