Want to learn more about Russian planes

[VikingFjord]

i have just recent wanting to expand my knowlage of russian warbirds
so does anyone have any recommended videos or things to read?
and does anyone have any tips on how to fly the Yak1?

[-TBC-AeroAce]

Go on YouTube and search wings in the red star. It's really informative but the narrator in my mind has the worst TV voice that is possible to have

Wings of the red star not on the red star lool

[VikingFjord]

I will do so!   thank you!

[-TBC-AeroAce]

Post what u think of his voice

[VikingFjord]

Have to agree the voice was not good at all!
it didnt really fit in with the theme of the program

[Krause]

I personally liked this one. I find it very decent. But I'm still a noob about the VVS.

 

[VikingFjord]

Nice video Krause!  

[Praetor]

Yak will out-turn the 109s, which were better suited for energy fighting. Try and get them slow and turning horizontally.

[VikingFjord]

i dont know the Yak's turn time but i know theres been statments about 109 turning with Spits depending on weight and models
so the 109 isnt all that bad in turn fight i have been very successful with it online
when you feel the yak turning away you just roll little

(Ref: Skip Holm on 109)

[Praetor]

The 109 could turn with a Spit for about one turn, then it's lack of wing loading destroyed its energy.  It kind of ploughs through the air in a high G turn, whereas the Spitfire with its larger, rounder wings sliced through it.  In typical dogfighting speeds, once the 109 lost its energy advantage with a Spit, Hurricane, or Yak, it was dead.

 

Once the RAF introduced 100 octane fuel, the 109 was at a disadvantage in everything but climb, especially with their +12 BOOST.

 

Spitfire pilot Jeffrey Quill:

 

 

 

Nearly all our engagements with Me 109s took place at around 20,000 - 25,000 ft. The Spitfire had the edge over them in speed and climb, and particularly in turning circle. (...) One engagement with several Me 109s at about 25,000 ft over the Channel sticks in my memory. It all happened very suddenly; in fact we were mildly 'bounced' and soon I found myself behind two 109s in a steep left-hand turn. I was able to turn inside the second one and fired at him from close range. He went on pulling round as sharply as he could. I followed him without any difficulty and went on firing bursts at him. There were puffs of black smoke and then a trail of white vapour streamed from his aircraft. By this time I could no longer see the first 109 and then realized that he was on my tail. As I was by now just shuddering on the verge of a g-stall, I quickly turned inwards and dived. I pulled up again when I was sure I had shaken him off... I was pleased with that little episode – partly because I was damn sure that the first 109 was not going to get home and also because I was now convinced that the Spitfire Mk I could readily out-turn the 109, certainly in the 20,000 ft region and probably at all heights.

 

F/Lt Al Deere (NZ), with No. 54 Squadron during the Battle of Britain:

 

 

 

My experience over Dunkirk had taught me that when attacked the best counter was to go into a right turn. In this manoeuvre, the Spitfire was infinitely superior to the Messerschmitt, and so long as one remained in the turn, the enemy pilot could not bring his guns to bear. And this I did, as the German pilot flashed past, turning as he did so to get behind me. But it was I who finished astern of him. The rest was easy.

 

S/P Andrew McDowall, flying with No. 602 Squadron:

 

 

 

In this dogfight I was able to get a long burst at one Me 109 and saw it crash into the sea... In my opinion Me 109's cannot hit Spitfires in tight right hand turn because they can't turn inside you in stern attack

 

F/S George Unwin, also of No. 19 Squadron:

 

 

 

I had survived this mission simply because the Spitfire could sustain a continuous rate of turn inside the BF 109E without stalling - the latter was known for flicking into a vicious stall spin without prior warning if pulled too tightly. The Spitfire would give a shudder to signal it was close to the edge, so as soon as you felt the shake you eased off the stick pressure.

 

 

Geoffrey Wellum of No 92 Squadron:

 

 

Looking back over my shoulder, an Me 109 is sitting on my tail not thirty yards away, or so it seems, and turning with me. I see the flash from his cannons and puffs of greyish smoke as he tries a quick burst. Not a bad one either as I hear more hits somewhere behind the fuselage.The German pilot is trying to tighten his turn still more to keep up with me and I'm sure I see the 109 flick. You won't do it, mate, we're on the limit as it is. I can see his head quite clearly and even the dark shape of his oxygen mask. Yet again I imagine that the 109 gives a distinct flick, on the point of a high speed stall. He has to ease his turn a fraction. The Spitfire gains slowly. I exalt and yell at him. Sweat starts to get into my eyes...The 109 finally comes out of his turn and pulls up, trying to gain height on me. As he climbs he goes into another steep turn, very steep, well over the vertical. I look up at him but he has made his effort and failed. I've gained too much and now I'm more behind him than he is behind me...If you want to shake someone off your tail you have to fly your Spitfire to its limits. In a tight turn you increase the G loading to such an extent that the wings can no longer support the weight and the plane stalls, with momentary loss of control. However, in a Spitfire, just before the stall, the whole aircraft judders, it's a stall warning, if you like. With practice and experience you can hold the plane on this judder in a very tight turn. You never actually stall the aircraft and you don't need to struggle to regain control because you never lose it. A 109 can't stay with you.

 

The 109 was not a turn fighter.  There is a reason Erich Hartmann always avoided dogfights.  He had 352 confirmed kills against allied aircraft, and his tactics were developed to exploit the 109s dive, and avoid the knife fights.

Edited July 8, 2014 by Praetor

[GRehalkov]

Hi, I can only encourage everyone to look at this great book: Herbert Léonard - Encyclopaedia of Soviet Fighters 1939 - 1945. It´s full of operationally deployed front fighters, epitomes and even  preliminary plans, with nice layouts and photos. S

[VikingFjord]

The 109 could turn with a Spit for about one turn, then it's lack of wing loading destroyed its energy.  It kind of ploughs through the air in a high G turn, whereas the Spitfire with its larger, rounder wings sliced through it.  In typical dogfighting speeds, once the 109 lost its energy advantage with a Spit, Hurricane, or Yak, it was dead.

 

Once the RAF introduced 100 octane fuel, the 109 was at a disadvantage in everything but climb, especially with their +12 BOOST.

 

 

The 109 was not a turn fighter.  There is a reason Erich Hartmann always avoided dogfights.  He had 352 confirmed kills against allied aircraft, and his tactics were developed to exploit the 109s dive, and avoid the knife fights.

But still in MP i can't seem to turn away from that 109 even if i really try to out turn it with  the Yak 1 i allways seem to lose my energy before he does even if i enter turn in 500-550Km/h

and when i sit in a 109 myself i seem to dominate Yak 1

it just feels to me that Yak 1 dosent really have anything on the Bf models ingame..i cant outrun them on speed either..they allways close in

only time i seem to take them is when they are very slow and i take speed runs on them and then turns further away from them to gain energy and speed

Hi, I can only encourage everyone to look at this great book: Herbert Léonard - Encyclopaedia of Soviet Fighters 1939 - 1945. It´s full of operationally deployed front fighters, epitomes and even  preliminary plans, with nice layouts and photos. S

i will definitely see if i can get it thanks for sharing!

[Praetor]

But still in MP i can't seem to turn away from that 109 even if i really try to out turn it with  the Yak 1 i allways seem to lose my energy before he does even if i enter turn in 500-550Km/h

and when i sit in a 109 myself i seem to dominate Yak 1

it just feels to me that Yak 1 dosent really have anything on the Bf models ingame..i cant outrun them on speed either..they allways close in

only time i seem to take them is when they are very slow and i take speed runs on them and then turns further away from them to gain energy and speed

 

 

I bet you don't have similar fuel loads, or you're using your flaps differently.