I hope this si just marketing ...

[SR-F_Winger]

... or only true at like treetop level?:

Could anyone with really good backgroundknowledge on testdata comment please?

 

[LLv34_Flanker]

S!

 

 I truly hope it is marketing only. Fw190A-3 was faster than La-5 even at SL. And early La-5 models were barely on par with Bf109F-4 or even de-rated G-2.

[6./ZG26_Gielow]

La5 sucks.

 

La5 FN is a completely new plane.

[Feathered_IV]

 

[LLv34_Flanker]

S!

 

 Trololo Good one Feathered!   

[SR-F_Winger]

I think they wanted to write "Fastest russian aircraft in the game":)

[Klaue]

 

S! So dam funny..........Rly Pwnz

[Zak]

Even thou this pic is absolutely brilliant, still, La-5 is the fastest fighter in the game.

[SR-F_Winger]

Even thou this pic is absolutely brilliant, still, La-5 is the fastest fighter in the game.

Is it possible to get info what data was taken into account for FM modeling? (Oh and i am just interested. Definately i will not discuss. I am just curious)

Also did the LA5 or will it change since the last few days we saw it in service in MP servers last week?

 

EDIT: Well see:) Ill just try and adapt my tactics accordingly and try to not fly around in heights at wich the LA5 excells in performance.

 

EDIT 2: Nice new Siteface btw. And i think the price for the single plane is fine! Now make more so i can buy:)

Edited July 7, 2014 by VSG1_Winger

[FG28Kodiak]

The La-5 should be the fastest plane, but only below 2000m (1800m) and with engine boost.

(Source: http://www.rkka.es/aviones/diagram/02_011/02_011.htm)

Edited July 7, 2014 by FG28Kodiak

[6./ZG26_Gielow]

ME190 faster than any russian fighter above 2000m ?!?!  Poor russian bombers 

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

Even thou this pic is absolutely brilliant, still, La-5 is the fastest fighter in the game.

Sorry Zac, I am a pretty staunch defender of most of your decisions to the point of almost being a fanboi but I have NO sources which support the claim of the standard La5 being faster than the G2 or the 190. Even in picking and choosing specific data points it is a somewhat dubious claim. In fact, until the La5FN debuts it's not even close overall......................... and then the D9 arrives and eats it's lunch.

Edited July 7, 2014 by A1FltTrn=HerrMurf

[arjisme]

HerrMuff, did you see post #10 in this thread?

[1./JG42Nephris]

Ah well...leave at least that bit of proud to the Russians.

[Matt]

Even if the 190 won't be faster (which would surprise me), the F-4 is currently faster than the La-5 in BoS at all altitudes.

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

HerrMuff, did you see post #10 in this thread?

Yup, cherry picking data = marketing. Also, considering which aircraft are being represented on the chart (ie A4, G2, no F4) it is likely an La5 F or FN.

Edited July 7, 2014 by A1FltTrn=HerrMurf

[Matt]

In that graph, the La-5 is the slowest of those planes.

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

It is fastest til about 1800m but the test data is through 8000m. So for the entire performance envelope it is a bit of a gray claim. Now lets see the charts for dive, sustained climb and zoom climb.

Edited July 7, 2014 by A1FltTrn=HerrMurf

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

It's the fastest taxiing aircraft in the sim!

I tried to upvote 10 times but you'll have to settle for just one.

[SCG_Neun]

I tried to upvote 10 times but you'll have to settle for just one.

I got him....covered...

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

I got him....covered...

That's what wingmen are for ~S

[=RvE=Windmills]

Well technically the 190 isn't ingame yet so there's no lying going on there just yet.

 

Nice marketing though, "please buy this full price game and have the privilege of spending an extra 20 for the 'best' plane."

 

Besides, 20 dollars is an incredibly high price tag for a plane that is already done before the game is even released tbh...

Edited July 7, 2014 by iLOVEwindmills

[Tab]

Yup, cherry picking data = marketing. Also, considering which aircraft are being represented on the chart (ie A4, G2, no F4) it is likely an La5 F or FN.

 

the authors name the FN and F with its proper name on other graphs, so I think it's La-5 indeed here.

[Uufflakke]

Exactly the same discussion here with more of those charts.

http://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/92243-la-5fn-series-vs-bf109-g-series-historical-errors/

 

By the way, as a non-expert on this: how reliable are these charts with the edited text parts of planes? Did the original Russian text say the same?

In the above chart it should be FW 190 and not FW 109.

And aren't there more sources than these ones.

[bivalov]

ideal la-5 with ~545 kph at sl (5 (10) min. of forsazh 1150 mm hg) is really a bit faster than ideal fw 190 a-3 with grills and ~537-540 (3 min. of start- und notleistung), and if bf 109 f-4 shows in game 537 kph at SuN... so, if it's true and there no mistakes, personally for me there absolutely nothing strange, in fact, and i told this before, plus i think that if someone loves anti-soviet propaganda, or just english data about russian fighters, and wants to see this in game, it's not problem of devs and game... quality of real planes, at 1942-1943, is a bit another question...

meanwhile, high altitude performance better for fw/bf, if i not mistaken...

 

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

Nonetheless, even taking that Russian chart at face value, to say the La5 is the fastest is spurious at best considering the entire flight envelope. Let's not bring politics into this as that is quite a different animal.

[FG28Kodiak]

Other comparison, sorry don't know the exact source:

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

Pretty small and in Russian. Column seven is airspeed over altitude? And what is column ten?

 

Edit: Actually, someone just interpret the headers please.

Edited July 7, 2014 by A1FltTrn=HerrMurf

[LukeFF]

ME190 faster than any russian fighter above 2000m ?!?!  Poor russian bombers 

 

There is no such thing as a ME190. Quit spreading bad information.

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

There is no such thing as a ME190. Quit spreading bad information.

I'm hoping its just a typo.

[Tab]

Pretty small and in Russian. Column seven is airspeed over altitude? And what is column ten?

 

Edit: Actually, someone just interpret the headers please.

 

at first I agree that claiming La5 is the fastest fighter in the game is a big stretch.

Column 7 is speed over altitude (as you see the max. air speed of La-5 with M-82 is under 6 km (5900 m), the max. speed of La-5F and FN are abore 6km - ~6200m), column 10 is operation range in km. Other columns are: enginge, power|altitude, weight, wing load, speed (SL, at alt), time to 5km, turn time at 1000m , range, landing speed and armament.

The table is from this book:

http://www.twirpx.com/file/286829/

here is another one with the same column headers, but different planes:

http://badger.front.ru/087.jpg

edit: oh, they added "gain in height after a combat turn" between turn time and landing speed. Probably because this is a metric, where late soviet aircraft really shine.

Edited July 7, 2014 by Tab

[IVJG4-Knight]

 

Level Speed: MPH   and KM/h:

  352 mph at Sea Level    567  km/h at 0 meters  

  408 mph at 20,669'    656 Km/h at 6.3 km

 

The fw a3 might be slower .i'm no expert.

But i don't trust those russian charts as far as i can throw them.

Edited July 7, 2014 by IVJG4-Knight

[arjisme]

Yup, cherry picking data = marketing. Also, considering which aircraft are being represented on the chart (ie A4, G2, no F4) it is likely an La5 F or FN.

Yeah, it sounds like marketing, but I was simply addressing your earlier claim to having seen no evidence to support this little bit of spin.

 

Whether the chart is trustworthy or not, I don't know.  But I wouldn't trust ANY individual chart in the first place.  I'd prefer to see several sources where agendas are less likely to be overlapping.

 

Regardless, if that chart is at all accurate, the claim isn't that much of a stretch if you consider that most combat is taking place at low alt in the sim (thus far).  

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

Yeah, it sounds like marketing, but I was simply addressing your earlier claim to having seen no evidence to support this little bit of spin.

 

Whether the chart is trustworthy or not, I don't know.  But I wouldn't trust ANY individual chart in the first place.  I'd prefer to see several sources where agendas are less likely to be overlapping.

 

Regardless, if that chart is at all accurate, the claim isn't that much of a stretch if you consider that most combat is taking place at low alt in the sim (thus far).  

I think even that chart supports my position more than the opposite. It is only true through a very small portion of the overall picture.

[=38=Tatarenko]

A couple of days ago I took off next to a Yak-1 in my La-5 and he comfortably flew away from me, considerably faster (I did not have boost on). I was surprised at the difference.

[Matt]

At low altitudes even the LaGG-3 is faster than the La-5, if the latter doesn't use boost. Boost makes the difference and with it on, the La-5 is a good bit faster than the other Russian planes at low altitude and at higher altitude (without boost) it has the advantage of its engine not overheating as quickly as that of the other planes. The Yak-1 has to fly with pretty wide open radiators most of the time, so that it's practically rarely faster than the La-5, which can fly with almost fully closed cowling flaps at higher altitudes for comparably long periods.

 

So overall "Fastest Russian aircraft in the Game" would make sense.

[BeastyBaiter]

The La-5 is currently the fastest plane in the game on the deck by a substantial margin, however that's with boost. If you skip the boost, then it isn't any quicker than the relatively sluggish LaGG-3. Acceleration with boost is also superb I find. It's so good I don't use it on takeoff as it's hard to control with that much power. So yeah, the claim is correct under certain circumstances. I'm unsure as to how the Fw-190A3 will stack up below 2km, but I suspect the La-5 will be slightly faster. However, that 2km limit is a crippling disadvantage against anyone who bothers to climb up even a little. It's not like 2km is hard to reach with these planes. A 109 pretty much blasts off to 5km straight away unless you deliberately don't climb.

 

In any case, it's not a bad advertising move, but I'd change it to "fastest low level plane in the game." It's a more accurate description. Also, I would support changing it feathered's pic for next april fools. That was great.

[71st_AH_Hooves]

My god who cares?! Ill tell ya what. You drag race any german plane in the la-5. See which one wins the dogfight. I for one am alwwys going to shoot for out manuevering the german rather than drag race him.

[BeastyBaiter]

I challenge you to a drag race along a river, flying above bridges disqualifies you!

[LLv34_Flanker]

S!

 

 There is not a single source saying early La-5 in service was going 550km/h at SL. If we follow the analogy seen here the La-5FN will go 582km/h at SL because TsAGI said so with their specially prepared plane. There are enough info that TsAGI did prepare the planes with polishing and other things, not using combat equipment etc. thus getting far better results. NII VVS tested same plane with combat load(fuel, ammo and such) and got like 40km/h slower planes than TsAGI. Oh well. Let's see how things are at release.