Masters of the Air Mini Series(Apple TV)

[tattywelshie]

16 minutes ago, NachtJaeger110 said:

I was also hoping for more practical effects and real flying planes, or at least something more along the lines of the CGI in Greyhound... CGI artists seem to have just one established language when it comes to aerial battles and that always looks like red tails... Devotion was also okay.

But no one seems to care how tracers really look like...
At least it seems the german fighters attack in pairs of two, indicating they at least know what a finger four is ?

It seems that most of the time, the CGI artists, have never clapped eyes on an actual real life aircraft and how they actually fly. 

 

44 minutes ago, Lusekofte said:

I will give them the benefit of doubt. Taking the excellent series Pacific and band of brother into account, there should be some substance in this too.  
A trailer is for Hollywood, not normal thinking human-beans.
And what did you expect for the flying scenes ? A squadron of real flying fortresses?

During Memphis bell a French B 17 crashed. Besides big multiengined vintage aircraft’s are not insurance best friends. 

 

I always thought the CGI in 'Catch 22' was pretty good, from what I can remember. 

[Lusekofte]

1 hour ago, tattywelshie said:

It seems that most of the time, the CGI artists, have never clapped eyes on an actual real life aircraft and how they actually fly. 

 

I always thought the CGI in 'Catch 22' was pretty good, from what I can remember. 

It was good enough. What put me off with cgi is the unrealistic effects and manoeuvres 

I accept cgi because of obvious reasons. 
I never really judge a movie or serie because of the trailer. And this trailer was pretty off putting I must say

[tattywelshie]

Just now, Lusekofte said:

It was good enough. What put me off with cgi is the unrealistic effects and manoeuvres 

I accept cgi because of obvious reasons. 
I never really judge a movie or serie because of the trailer. And this trailer was pretty off putting I must say

Yeah, i know its difficult as well with the nature of what they are trying to portray. Fingers crossed they have got the fighter tactics correct, both in terms of escorts and the attackers. 

[ST_Catchov]

It does look like a cheesefest. Hopefully there will be no volleyball scenes. 

[Trooper117]

As to the trailer, I think they aim it at the audience group they think will look at it and say ''wow... that looks brilliant''... not us old farts who want a realistic portrayal of air combat, with every rivet where it should be.  ?

[Lusekofte]

1 hour ago, Trooper117 said:

As to the trailer, I think they aim it at the audience group they think will look at it and say ''wow... that looks brilliant''... not us old farts who want a realistic portrayal of air combat, with every rivet where it should be.  ?

I do not care much about the rivets, it is thast Hollywood approach to heroism . The John Wayne approach to wisdom that scares me

[Trooper117]

It was just a  bit of ''riveting'' humour, not gospel truth...

[Archie]

Eight hours of boring flight time with a few minutes of action / abject terror would not hold an audience for long. These programmes are made for the masses, not us flight sim geeks.
I shall be watching it regardless.

Edited November 11, 2023 by Archie

[tattywelshie]

4 hours ago, Archie said:

Eight hours of boring flight time with a few minutes of action / abject terror would not hold an audience for long. These programmes are made for the masses, not us flight sim geeks.
I shall be watching it regardless.

I know Memphis Belle had its problems, but it did seem to portray quite realistically what it was like on a bombing mission. The trouble is, it seems like with aviation based films, there seems to be a lot less attention to detail when it comes to realism, than say, something like band of brothers. Maybe it’s down to it being a lot easier to act out for real with land based stuff, rather than aviation stuff is by it’s nature a lot more in the hands of cgi and therefore, artistic/creative licence. I mean it’s a hell

of a lot easier to portray and act out a land based battle than say 300+ bombers, 500+ escorts etc etc 

[ST_Catchov]

There is no doubt the bomber boys of WW2 deserve our respect. The horror to the human mind and body is unimaginable. And yet they did it, day after day. But Hollywood style is not my thing. I prefer a Ken Burns style doco with letters from the participants, actual footage and photographs done in a reverential manner that show the true damage to body and soul and the madness of it all without the CGI kabooms and cheesy lines. But the masses will like it and that's okay I guess.

[keithbriscoe99]

Just noticed this topic was started 10 years ago??

[Lusekofte]

15 hours ago, tattywelshie said:

I know Memphis Belle had its problems, but it did seem to portray quite realistically what it was like on a bombing mission. The trouble is, it seems like with aviation based films, there seems to be a lot less attention to detail when it comes to realism, than say, something like band of brothers. Maybe it’s down to it being a lot easier to act out for real with land based stuff, rather than aviation stuff is by it’s nature a lot more in the hands of cgi and therefore, artistic/creative licence. I mean it’s a hell

of a lot easier to portray and act out a land based battle than say 300+ bombers, 500+ escorts etc etc 

Well everything is more east the bigger budget. 
To me aviation movies got one setback and that is 6 + hours flight with minutes in terror somehow scattered in the middle. 
The terrorbit pretty intense , and the actors only show their acting abilities when landed. 
all other branches got a bit more and different scenery. Well budget series as pacific and band of brothers got an easier foundation. I hope they balance it like catch 22 series. But even there they put in a maniac supply officer to make action a bit more interesting and the one main character focus and effort was when landed

[Trooper117]

Get on youtube and check out the official trailer for that great series ''Band of Brothers''... it had me hooked straight away... plus no cheesy one liners.

 

 

[Lusekofte]

Personally I liked Pacific better. But both of them are probably in top 3 of series 

[Trooper117]

1 hour ago, Lusekofte said:

Personally I liked Pacific better.

 

I liked the Pacific... I think it was sometimes bashed a bit harshly by some, but I thoroughly enjoyed it.

[LukeFF]

21 hours ago, tattywelshie said:

I know Memphis Belle had its problems, but it did seem to portray quite realistically what it was like on a bombing mission. The trouble is, it seems like with aviation based films, there seems to be a lot less attention to detail when it comes to realism, than say, something like band of brothers. Maybe it’s down to it being a lot easier to act out for real with land based stuff, rather than aviation stuff is by it’s nature a lot more in the hands of cgi and therefore, artistic/creative licence. I mean it’s a hell

of a lot easier to portray and act out a land based battle than say 300+ bombers, 500+ escorts etc etc 

 

Devotion I think did a good job portraying all the air scenes. I know there were several times during the film that I thought, "that's really good attention to detail there." There's nothing that really stood out to me as stretching the bounds of reality.

 

13 hours ago, keithbriscoe99 said:

Just noticed this topic was started 10 years ago??

 

LOL yeah, it's been a while in the making. ? I merged all the various topics about this in one place so that there weren't scattered all over.

[tattywelshie]

5 hours ago, Trooper117 said:

Get on youtube and check out the official trailer for that great series ''Band of Brothers''... it had me hooked straight away... plus no cheesy one liners.

 

 

I mean, that’s another level isn’t it. Maybe that’s how they actually were in the 8th airforce, in terms of cheesy one liners, maybe it’s accurate? I know the modern US air force has a more ‘gung-ho’ attitude than the RAF, and maybe it was like that during the war as well? Not sure really, I guess they must have done their research into what the personalities of the crew actually were? 

Edited November 12, 2023 by tattywelshie

[354thFG_Leifr]

6 hours ago, Lusekofte said:

Personally I liked Pacific better. But both of them are probably in top 3 of series 

 

I'm not sure if I strictly liked the Pacific *moreso* than Band of Brothers, but I think it had a harsh reception. It's almost as, if not just as, good as Band of Brothers, in my opinion.

[Lusekofte]

1 hour ago, 367th_Leifr said:

 

I'm not sure if I strictly liked the Pacific *moreso* than Band of Brothers, but I think it had a harsh reception. It's almost as, if not just as, good as Band of Brothers, in my opinion.

I did like band of brothers best. Until I saw Pacific again. Then it changed. But that might be because I seen band of brother 3 times

[kestrel79]

There's a new trailer out! You guys see this yet?

 

 

[LukeFF]

1 hour ago, kestrel79 said:

There's a new trailer out! You guys see this yet?

 

 

 

Page 2 ?

[NachtJaeger110]

Maybe they did put more thought in it after all. Do you think those things under the wings of the fighter could be Werfergranaten? that could explain this massive explosion of the B 17 somewhat.
And are those 190 Doras??

 

 

Edited November 14, 2023 by NachtJaeger110

[tattywelshie]

27 minutes ago, NachtJaeger110 said:

Maybe they did put more thought in it after all. Do you think those things under the wings of the fighter could be Werfergranaten? that could explain this massive explosion of the B 17 somewhat.
And are those 190 Doras??

 

 

Think you're right re rockets, bottom aircraft is a 109 isnt it? Wings look more 109 esque? I did see on one shot, a 109 had a yellow nose...did they still have yellow noses during 43-44?

[LukeFF]

The official trailer is now out: 

 

[No105_Swoose]

On Saturday 9 December from 2000h to 2100h Central Standard Time the National World War Two Museum in New Orleans, Louisiana USA is going to host a seminar on Making of Masters of the Air | The National WWII Museum | New Orleans (nationalww2museum.org)   From the description:  

Join us as The National WWII Museum concludes its 16th International Conference on World War II with a special hourlong session on the making of Masters of the Air, providing an inside look into Apple TV+'s upcoming WWII miniseries on the Eighth Air Force. Based on the acclaimed book by Donald L. Miller, PhD, the miniseries reunites Steven Spielberg, Tom Hanks, and Gary Goetzman who also produced Band of Brothers and The Pacific.

This virtual session will feature Playtone producer Kirk Saduski in conversation with Miller, who will discuss his role as a historical consultant on the miniseries, which premieres in January 2024.

This virtual session is free and open to the public.

[Sobilak]

LOOK's GREAT !

 I like historical accuracy and consistency of sources. I read the book "Masters of the air" and I don't remember there being anything about the 332FG Tuskegee Airman, expect one mention. This is a book primarily about 8AF. So one question. What's about 8AF/FC? FG56, FG357 (Yoxford Boys) and other FG's. They flight as escort 8AF Bombers from 1943 to 1945. Don't they deserve for glorification because of Political Correctness?

[1PL-Husar-1Esk]

I'm reading it now , yet not find anything about 332FG. Political correctness is not historical correctness and comon sense correctness. 

[tattywelshie]

At the start of that trailer...is that meant to be an R4M being launched from that 190? Or have they pretending the X4 was actually operational and it was that? 

[LukeFF]

Guys, no politics, or more posts will be hidden.

[II./JG27_Rich]

I'd rather have good CG 109s than an old Buchon flying around 

 

Edited December 10, 2023 by II./JG27_Rich

[Gambit21]

On 11/12/2023 at 11:36 AM, 367th_Leifr said:

 

I'm not sure if I strictly liked the Pacific *moreso* than Band of Brothers, but I think it had a harsh reception. It's almost as, if not just as, good as Band of Brothers, in my opinion.

I watch Band of Brothers every year. Once through with The Pacific was enough for me.

 

I didn’t care for the unnecessary gore in The Pacific for one thing. Awful things happened in Europe as well yet Band of Brothers manages to relay the story without crossing certain lines.

Just watched The Right Stuff again. There’s a great movie - no CGI needed and doesn’t suffer one bit for the lack of it.

Edited December 13, 2023 by Gambit21

[Irishratticus72]

On 12/13/2023 at 7:28 AM, Gambit21 said:

I watch Band of Brothers every year. Once through with The Pacific was enough for me.

 

I didn’t care for the unnecessary gore in The Pacific for one thing. Awful things happened in Europe as well yet Band of Brothers manages to relay the story without crossing certain lines.

Just watched The Right Stuff again. There’s a great movie - no CGI needed and doesn’t suffer one bit for the lack of it.

That is probably, to me anyway, the only movie that is as good as the book it was taken from. Having Yeager cameo was just chef's kiss.

[ACG_Bussard]

 

On 12/7/2023 at 10:31 AM, tattywelshie said:

At the start of that trailer...is that meant to be an R4M being launched from that 190? Or have they pretending the X4 was actually operational and it was that? 

 

I´m guessing the scene is depicting 1943 because of the shown B-17 F´s. So most likely the launched rocket by the Fw 190 is an BR21 or WGr21. However, the usual deployment tactics provided for this rocket were an frontal launch or launch from behind at ~ 1,280 yards and not such close, like shown in this scene:

[DBFlyguy]

Title Sequence just got posted:

 

And first clip:

https://www.imdb.com/video/vi4183934745/?listId=ls053181649&ref_=pe_83942430_803237560

 

[Archie]

For all the cheese I'm really looking forward to this.

[DBFlyguy]

I'm definitely very much looking forward to it! But my goodness, after being spoiled with "Dunkirk", "Maverick" and "Devotion" in recent years.... the over abundance of noticeable and honestly not very good CGI in this is .... a bit disappointing, I'm seriously questioning if they used a single real warbird of any type in the entire production cause it definitely doesn't look like it from any of the video previews we've seen... we'll see in about 2 weeks though!

 

 

[sevenless]

2 hours ago, DBFlyguy said:

Title Sequence just got posted:

 

And first clip:

https://www.imdb.com/video/vi4183934745/?listId=ls053181649&ref_=pe_83942430_803237560

 

 

Great! If it will be only half as good as Band of Brother or Pacific it will be great!

[CountZero]

o man that CGI is so noticable, it wont age well

[Lusekofte]

55 minutes ago, CountZero said:

o man that CGI is so noticable, it wont age well

The acting I seen in trailers scared me off more. I got enough of 40’s acting scenes after latest Midway movie. But I could handle it since it contained Dauntless. I am really not sure how this will end up

 

[CountZero]

6 minutes ago, Lusekofte said:

The acting I seen in trailers scared me off more. I got enough of 40’s acting scenes after latest Midway movie. But I could handle it since it contained Dauntless. I am really not sure how this will end up

 

yes it gives that Midway movie vibes, that was hard one to watch