Interesting footige from Frizlar airfield 1945!

[FlyingH]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DXDLrlkelc

 

[Knarley-Bob]

Really gives a perspective of the size of those birds.......

[Strewth]

Great footage.

What I find interesting, even when you take into account the type and date of filming, is the flatness of the paintwork. Even compared to the grass below them, these aircraft are definitely not glossy or shiny in any way whatsoever. Would love to see more skins along these lines.

Thanks for the post

[I./JG52_Woutwocampe]

Oh nice, night fighter 110s. And I've spotted twin BMW801 engines planes in there...

 

Great stuff.

[=420=Syphen]

The Stuka that is shown has some sort of interesting piping along the starboard engine cowling. Any idea what is going on there?

[vvuorela]

5 minutes ago, =420=Syphen said:

The Stuka that is shown has some sort of interesting piping along the starboard engine cowling. Any idea what is going on there?

Those are exhaust flame suppressors for night operations.

[ITAF_Rani]

All these planes abandoned there provide same unsettling feeling....

[Bremspropeller]

8 hours ago, I./JG52_Woutwocampe said:

And I've spotted twin BMW801 engines planes in there...

 

Ju 88G-1

[Feathered_IV]

16 hours ago, Knarley-Bob said:

Really gives a perspective of the size of those birds.......

And some of those backsides too.  It was even money on whether that fellow was going to get into the Tiffie.  

[BlitzPig_EL]

That fat arse major must have had political connections, seems everything in that film focused on him.

[I./JG52_Woutwocampe]

5 hours ago, Bremspropeller said:

 

Ju 88G-1

 

I watched the video again and you are right indeed. I forgot the 88G-1 had radials, I was like, its not a D0217....its not a Ju188...etc etc.

 

 

 

 

[LukeFF]

19 hours ago, Strewth said:

What I find interesting, even when you take into account the type and date of filming, is the flatness of the paintwork. Even compared to the grass below them, these aircraft are definitely not glossy or shiny in any way whatsoever.

 

That, and uneven brush strokes on things like propeller hubs. 

[Zeev]

9 hours ago, ITAF_Rani said:

All these planes abandoned there provide same unsettling feeling....

I much prefer them being abandoned than bombing or shooting at allied forces \ civillians.

Edited November 11, 2021 by Zeev

[ICDP]

19 hours ago, Strewth said:

Great footage.

What I find interesting, even when you take into account the type and date of filming, is the flatness of the paintwork. Even compared to the grass below them, these aircraft are definitely not glossy or shiny in any way whatsoever. Would love to see more skins along these lines.

Thanks for the post

 

I do agree somwehat but you are making the mistake of using 77 year old footage to gauge glossiness and colour.  We would have to assume that the world back in the 40s was some desaturated reality where bright colours didn't exist.  Such as the red or yellow on the Tempest roundels for example.  If you check out at 1:40 in the video you can se the G.I is reflected on the side of the Tempest as he climbs in and similarly at 6:10 on the Bf109.

 

Though I do agree there is a tendency for the devs to push for glossier looking planes to show off their lighting effects.  Bear in mind that making planes more matt in the sim tends to turn off so many effect that real life matt finishes have.

[CUJO_1970]

I can’t help but see these vintage aircraft at their current value. In 1945 they are just scrap. In 2021 they are worth several million each.

[ITAF_Rani]

2 hours ago, Zeev said:

I much prefer them being abandoned than bombing or shooting at allied forces \ civillians.

I mean they look quite sinister and dangerous at the same time..

Edited November 11, 2021 by ITAF_Rani

[Strewth]

4 hours ago, ICDP said:

 

I do agree somwehat but you are making the mistake of using 77 year old footage to gauge glossiness and colour.  We would have to assume that the world back in the 40s was some desaturated reality where bright colours didn't exist.  Such as the red or yellow on the Tempest roundels for example.  If you check out at 1:40 in the video you can se the G.I is reflected on the side of the Tempest as he climbs in and similarly at 6:10 on the Bf109.

 

Though I do agree there is a tendency for the devs to push for glossier looking planes to show off their lighting effects.  Bear in mind that making planes more matt in the sim tends to turn off so many effect that real life matt finishes have.

You are correct with the 1:40 example. There is some reflection, indicating a less matt, semi gloss finish.
However, and maybe it's just me, but I find the German aircraft more matt in their finish. Even at the 6:10 mark, I can see shadowing from the soldier and his arm, but I cannot see a reflection like with the Tempest. You can see that the sun's shadowing on the soldier's clothing corresponds directly with the shadow cast onto the aircraft, but no real reflection along the skin of the aircraft back towards the camera..

On the Tempest however, you can see that regardless of the shadows, that the reflection (like usual) is at a more acute angle to the camera, depending on the angle of the surface. Even the airman's right hand has a definite reflection as opposed to a shadow.

I also understand the tendency for a push for a glossier look, especially with the 4k skins. I was not aware though about the effect matt has on the sim itself. Thank you.

 

Cheers.

[ICDP]

Thanks for taking the time to do the screen grabs and posting.  I think it highlights the issue were there is more than meets the eye (pun intended) when it comes to the finish on these planes.

 

The Typhoon shows that from certain angles it looks matt in finish but when you actually study it, there is a very pronounced sheen at more acute angles.  You can see the prop blade reflected on the cowling before the Major climbs in.

 

The 109 image you posted when taken from other angles (same G.I) also showed some reflective properties.  As did a shot earlier with the Major with putting his hand on the wing of the same 109 and you could clearly see his hand reflected on the surface.

 

My take on it is that most of the German planes in that footage would have been sitting around for months at this stage unused and unloved.  Not being cleaned and just generally very dusty and exposed to the elements.  My own very glossy car is sitting outside right now and you would swear it had a matt finish on the lower surfaces because it has not been cleaned for 6 months.

 

When I look at footage/images of active LW planes you sometimes get that sheen effect because obviously there are ground crew caring for these planes.  The sim aims to recreate that real look and at very acute angles there is a sheen and level of reflectivity that does give a more realistic look than pure matt.  While the planes in sim look more matt as you look directly at them, when you get more acute angles they look like the Typhoon in that video.

 

It's about balance and preference of course but for me the trick is to start with an unweathered alpha that has a satin or almost semi gloss look.  Then as you add each weathering effect it becomes more or even less matt in areas as you go.  If the sheen is gone completely then I know I have gone too far.

 

 

Edited November 12, 2021 by ICDP