Evidence that Bomb armed Aircraft in Tank Crew have a <0.5% chance of Destroying a Tank.

[MajorMagee]

This morning's read from Tigers In The Mud included a period defending the rollbahn west of Narwa when they were being bombed every night prior to an expected Russian attack. They didn't lose any Tigers because they posted themselves too close to the Russian lines to be direct targets. On one occasion the bombs were falling short, including into the Russian positions. Two of the crew took cover under the tank, and were instantly killed by the concussion from a nearby hit that landed just behind the Tiger. Other soldiers that were sitting on top of the tank were blown off, but otherwise were fine.

 

I remember watching an explosive anti-tank trenching demonstration at Wildflecken back in the 80s, and even though we were 1 km away, the shock wave (you could see it coming) took my breath away, and made my clothes buffet like a hurricane hit me. I can't imagine what it would have done to me at 50 m.

[Frinik22]

Again

10 hours ago, [F.Circus]Wales_Grey said:

 

You objected to this post:

 

 

Which appears to have been right on the mark, based on your other posts in this thread. I think that the current damage modeling/radius is sufficiently close to declassified post-war testing data and predictive modeling. You appear to be arguing that bombs are too effective because of what reason, exactly?

I am not arguing anything. I joined the conversation which was centred around Destaex's comments about bombs being overly accurate and deadly in the game. I simply pointed out to a British assessment report on the effectiveness of the air campaign in Normandy which indicated that reported losses inflicted on German armour by Allied air attacks had been grossly overestimated and only 2% of German armoured losses could be attributed to them. But the 2 % covers all type of air attacks most of which did not involve only bombs but rockets and mgs as well. So I said may be the bomb damage or accuracy in the game could be tweaked so the incidence of tanks being killed by bomb hits is more realistic  in line with British findings. I am not arguing for it,  I currently don't play MP and I don't care about bomb kills to a tank as they don't affect me personally.

 

You need to learn to disengage from being  overly argumentative and accusatory in reaction to posts you don't agree with. I don't pretend to hold universal truth nor saying my suggestion is the best. It's a point of view to be debated not a political statement. Hope it's clear now?

Edited November 18, 2021 by Frinik22

[Leady_Brickov]

As a tanker that regularly gets bombed..... when I do dumb stuff like, drive on roads near the combat zones, fail to use cover in combat zones, give away my position to aircraft by shooting AP tracer ammo when I should be using tracerless HE ammo on soft targets, let fighter bombers have a free shot at me by not keeping my eyes up and spotting them first and avoiding their bombs by evasive manoeuvring or disrupting their bomb run by firing MGs at them, then yeah, fair play to the pilot, great kill, they deserved it, I stuffed up. 

 

But when I don't do the dumb stuff, use my initiative and focus on what I'm doing, I almost never get bombed or rocketed. 

 

I respect the skills of the guys that fly ground attack on servers like Finnish, they aren't a green VVS pilots. 

 

That said, probably the best system to evaluate the accuracy of ground attack pilots is to look at incidents of fratricide and loss results reported by units in these events. I've been reading The Battle of Kursk, Controversial And Overlooked Aspects. Even green pilots that couldn't  ID a friendly T34 did a huge amount of damage to friendly tanks during the battle.

[[KG]Destaex]

8 hours ago, Leady_Brickov said:

As a tanker that regularly gets bombed..... when I do dumb stuff like, drive on roads near the combat zones, fail to use cover in combat zones, give away my position to aircraft by shooting AP tracer ammo when I should be using tracerless HE ammo on soft targets, let fighter bombers have a free shot at me by not keeping my eyes up and spotting them first and avoiding their bombs by evasive manoeuvring or disrupting their bomb run by firing MGs at them, then yeah, fair play to the pilot, great kill, they deserved it, I stuffed up. 

 

But when I don't do the dumb stuff, use my initiative and focus on what I'm doing, I almost never get bombed or rocketed. 

 

I respect the skills of the guys that fly ground attack on servers like Finnish, they aren't a green VVS pilots. 

 

That said, probably the best system to evaluate the accuracy of ground attack pilots is to look at incidents of fratricide and loss results reported by units in these events. I've been reading The Battle of Kursk, Controversial And Overlooked Aspects. Even green pilots that couldn't  ID a friendly T34 did a huge amount of damage to friendly tanks during the battle.

 

Good point about friendly fire. That would be a good source. Especially if the friendlies recognised their own and say still. It should in theory be just like the typhoon tests who also fired at stationary targets.

 

Have you got the Tank crew module Leady?

Edited November 20, 2021 by [KG]Destaex

[Leady_Brickov]

5 hours ago, [KG]Destaex said:

 

Have you got the Tank crew module Leady?

 

Yep, you will see me in Finnish Virtual Pilots most days. ?

[JV44HeinzBar]

5 hours ago, Leady_Brickov said:

 

Yep, you will see me in Finnish Virtual Pilots most days. ?

Yeah, he's there. He's killed my several times ?

 

HB

 

[[KG]Destaex]

11 hours ago, JV44HeinzBar said:

Yeah, he's there. He's killed my several times ?

 

HB

 

I was just curious as he had no TC Cap badge here, so I thought his experience may have been in the free tanks, which then would have led me to believe perhaps they were different physics models. I assume he must have TC from steam and thus it does not show here? Is that how it works?

[JV44HeinzBar]

I don't know KG if that's how it works. I never thought about it.

 

HB
 

[[F.Circus]MoerasGrizzly]

11 hours ago, [KG]Destaex said:

I was just curious as he had no TC Cap badge here, so I thought his experience may have been in the free tanks, which then would have led me to believe perhaps they were different physics models. I assume he must have TC from steam and thus it does not show here? Is that how it works?

That's how it works yes. The badges only show what you purchased on this website.