Torpedos in Battle of Normandy?

[jollyjack]

Tough Time for the devs to model this:

 

 

[Willy__]

Check the mods section of the forum. IIRC someone modded some torpedos for german planes ?

[jollyjack]

32 minutes ago, Willy__ said:

Check the mods section of the forum. IIRC someone modded some torpedos for german planes ?

Yep, LizLemon and CountZero worked them out ...

[Ribbon]

They don't need to model torpedos in such details and yes it would be really nice to get axis torpedo bomber for BoN.....maybe devs can model torpedo modification for ju88a4 and sell it to us as a collector.....would fit nice in combo with upcoming b25/26?

1 hour ago, Willy__ said:

Check the mods section of the forum. IIRC someone modded some torpedos for german planes ?

We need something official that can be used in MP and career.

[=gRiJ=Roman-]

IMHO one of the big flaws of the sim (there are not many). Official Torpedoes SOS!

I don´t want to be negative or overcritical but it is a fact. 

Edited November 5, 2021 by =gRiJ=Roman-

[Docholiday]

??

[LukeFF]

1 hour ago, jollyjack said:

Tough Time for the devs to model this:

 

Nevermind that it's been modeled in every U-boat sim ever made. 

[jollyjack]

While your at it, lets add destructible railway tracks to our demands list LoL.

Normandy and French resistance jobs? 

Besides i was practicing Airco bombing in FC, and it's quite illogical that you can destroy a train, but not the railway tracks it runs on.

 

 

Edited November 5, 2021 by jollyjack

[Ribbon]

 

We all know B25 or b26 are on the way, but maybe Jason is on that long road trip with a car (instead booking a flight) cos he needs to load the torpedo in a car and bring it to the devs to Moscow, heading  over the Bering sea! ?

Edited November 5, 2021 by =VARP=Ribbon

[[F.Circus]FrangibleCover]

Torpedoes are sorely missing from Kuban, we already have three flyable aircraft in the game that could carry torpedoes, plus the B-25 and B-26 AI aircraft. I know everything is a prioritisation exercise, but I'd really love if 1C found some time to get torpedoes into the game. Ideally we'd have full unique TDCs for every aircraft and I think that's the 1C ambition before adding them, but honestly even if they were added with wet-finger fire control they'd be fun.

[jollyjack]

3 hours ago, [F.Circus]FrangibleCover said:

Torpedoes are sorely missing from Kuban, we already have three flyable aircraft in the game that could carry torpedoes, plus the B-25 and B-26 AI aircraft. I know everything is a prioritisation exercise, but I'd really love if 1C found some time to get torpedoes into the game. Ideally we'd have full unique TDCs for every aircraft and I think that's the 1C ambition before adding them, but honestly even if they were added with wet-finger fire control they'd be fun.

 

Well, you can ... use the mod, and JSGME to install it. BTW you can skin a He111H6 to British, the 1000 bombs are your torpedoes then ....

[[F.Circus]FrangibleCover]

Can't use the mod in multi and the aircraft I particularly want them on is the A-20B (which they can't really be hacked onto because they'd have to replace the FAB-250 and you'd get four). The mod is a superb technical achievement and a great demonstration that air launched torpedoes are possible, but you wouldn't have started this thread if the mod were enough, would you?

[Ribbon]

Thnx to the modders but mods are useless for us onliners (MP), we need torpedos as official content!

 

 

Edited November 6, 2021 by =VARP=Ribbon

[69TD_Hajo_Garlic]

Could the mosquito we are receiving carry torpedos?

 

Edited November 6, 2021 by Hajo_Garlic

[LukeFF]

24 minutes ago, Hajo_Garlic said:

Could the mosquito we are receiving carry torpedos?

 

Nope

[Juri_JS]

Having real torpedo bombers in the game would be great, but it would require more work than most people think. For example the so-called Torpedokommandogerät (ToKG) needs to be modelled, that was used by German bombers to set the torpedo course. Creating the torpedo version of the Ju-88 A-4 would require some adjustments to the model, because it had a modified right fuselage side to house the cables running from the cockpit to the torpedos.

[Ribbon]

1 hour ago, Juri_JS said:

Having real torpedo bombers in the game would be great, but it would require more work than most people think. For example the so-called Torpedokommandogerät (ToKG) needs to be modelled, that was used by German bombers to set the torpedo course. Creating the torpedo version of the Ju-88 A-4 would require some adjustments to the model, because it had a modified right fuselage side to house the cables running from the cockpit to the torpedos.

They could sell it as a collector and i'm sure as new gameplay feature it would be profitable, still less work than modeling some other plane from the ground up.

 

I know i'm boring with it but alongside with b25 or b26 it would add to BoN a lot....bringing it a bit closer to old il2 gameplay variety.

 

Some of us don't care about what plane is it, we're more prone to it's usability and imersion, so i'd rather have in game one fighter, one bomber and one torpedo bomber than having 20 versions of 109, p51, yak, Spit or fw190.

 

[ITAF_Rani]

16 hours ago, Juri_JS said:

Having real torpedo bombers in the game would be great, but it would require more work than most people think. For example the so-called Torpedokommandogerät (ToKG) needs to be modelled, that was used by German bombers to set the torpedo course

Modelling such things like this ( like planes also) require a lot of work from Devs..

I admire them to put so much love and professional skill in our hobby.

We must think we are very luky,because without this bunch of talented guys the only solution for us WW2 simmers would be play a sims old since 20 years ago or play other sims that in my opinion don t provide the same feeling  of the saga Great Battles.

 

Edited November 7, 2021 by ITAF_Rani

[No_Face]

On 11/6/2021 at 1:14 AM, [F.Circus]FrangibleCover said:

Torpedoes are sorely missing from Kuban, we already have three flyable aircraft in the game that could carry torpedoes, plus the B-25 and B-26 AI aircraft. I know everything is a prioritisation exercise, but I'd really love if 1C found some time to get torpedoes into the game. Ideally we'd have full unique TDCs for every aircraft and I think that's the 1C ambition before adding them, but honestly even if they were added with wet-finger fire control they'd be fun.

On this forum, there are real living encyclopedias, it's clearly not my case, I don't know anything about it but if we don't have torpedoes in BoK, it's because (if I remember correctly) Jason said that there were none used during the period covered by the game.

 

IL-2 is a simulation, we all want it to be as realistic as possible, so it makes sense to not have this or that equipment if it was not used during that period.

Edited November 7, 2021 by No_Face

[[F.Circus]FrangibleCover]

33 minutes ago, No_Face said:

On this forum, there are real living encyclopedias, it's clearly not my case, I don't know anything about it but if we don't have torpedoes in BoK, it's because (if I remember correctly) Jason said that there were none used during the period covered by the game.

This is possibly true, but I find it a little unlikely. He 111s and Ju 88s had been used in the torpedo bomber role for years by 1943 but perhaps no torpedoes were supplied to units in action around the Kerch/Taman area. Some Soviet VMF A-20B/Cs received early versions of the torpedo modification later standardised on the A-20G and the Black Sea Fleet used the A-20 in the shipping strike role throughout 1943, but perhaps the modified A-20s belonged to Northern Fleet units instead, or perhaps the modifications were only made to the better-protected A-20C. That then would call into question why the A-20B was the variant modelled.

 

However, if that's the story that 1C are going with, we should see torpedoes for BoN. I prefer to believe they're just kind of difficult to do and low priority.

[Juri_JS]

10 minutes ago, [F.Circus]FrangibleCover said:

This is possibly true, but I find it a little unlikely. He 111s and Ju 88s had been used in the torpedo bomber role for years by 1943 but perhaps no torpedoes were supplied to units in action around the Kerch/Taman area. Some Soviet VMF A-20B/Cs received early versions of the torpedo modification later standardised on the A-20G and the Black Sea Fleet used the A-20 in the shipping strike role throughout 1943, but perhaps the modified A-20s belonged to Northern Fleet units instead, or perhaps the modifications were only made to the better-protected A-20C. That then would call into question why the A-20B was the variant modelled.

 

However, if that's the story that 1C are going with, we should see torpedoes for BoN. I prefer to believe they're just kind of difficult to do and low priority.

I think the developers are right. I am not an expert for the Soviet side, but from German documents I don't know any report of ships sunk by aerial torpedo in the Black Sea area in 1943.

The Luftwaffe also had no torpedo bombers in the Black Sea area in 1943. In 1942 II./KG 26 with He-111 H6 torpedo bombers flew missions from Romania and the Crimea, but the unit was transfered later in the year. During the evacuation of the Crimea in 1944 II./KG 26 had one Staffel with Ju 88A-17s based in Romania, that flew patrol missions, but no enemy ships were attacked.

 

 

[Elem]

We can imagine what an IL-4 would be like to have in BoX from this movie that I have on DVD...

https://sovietmoviesonline.com/drama/torpedonoscy