Replay FOV problem

[Winkysmith]

Hello everyone!

 

I have always had this problem, but had never thought about asking about it here until now. My problem is that whenever I play a recorded track, my in-cockpit FOV is much lower than it was at the time of recording. This means, for example, that I can’t see my instruments when I’m watching the track, only the gunsight.

This isn’t a major problem for me, but I would like to know if this is a problem for anyone else, and how to fix it if at all possible.

 

Hoping this finds you all in good health,

Winkysmith

[Ghost666]

Try hitting "Lft ctrl+F1". You might be defaulting to the F1 view.

[Winkysmith]

8 hours ago, Ghost666 said:

Try hitting "Lft ctrl+F1". You might be defaulting to the F1 view.

Thanks. I’ll try that when I get on later.

[Ghost666]

Oh, and I forgot to mention that "Lft alt+F1" should let you control the view with your mouse.

[oc2209]

15 hours ago, Winkysmith said:

My problem is that whenever I play a recorded track, my in-cockpit FOV is much lower than it was at the time of recording. This means, for example, that I can’t see my instruments when I’m watching the track, only the gunsight.

 

If I want to keep instruments visible, I usually zoom out before I start the recording.

 

Another oddity I've noticed is that the FOV change usually occurs (I'm not 100% certain on this) when you switch from external to internal views. In other words, if you start the replay in your cockpit and you never go external during the replay, the zoom level that you originally recorded will remain as it was.

[Ghost666]

32 minutes ago, oc2209 said:

if you start the replay in your cockpit and you never go external during the replay, the zoom level that you originally recorded will remain as it was.

This is true if you use "F1" to return to the cockpit. But if you use "Lft ctrl+F1" you go back to your originally recorded view. And "Lft alt+F1" will let you control the view with your mouse and will let you zoom with the mouse wheel.

[oc2209]

11 minutes ago, Ghost666 said:

This is true if you use "F1" to return to the cockpit. But if you use "Lft ctrl+F1" you go back to your originally recorded view. And "Lft alt+F1" will let you control the view with your mouse and will let you zoom with the mouse wheel.

 

Right, but I've noticed with the 'Left Alt+F1' view, there's occasionally an odd clipping issue where your pilot's hand or head or something intermittently becomes visible.

 

But yes, it does give you total control of your view, even in a replay.

[Ghost666]

3 hours ago, oc2209 said:

 

Right, but I've noticed with the 'Left Alt+F1' view, there's occasionally an odd clipping issue where your pilot's hand or head or something intermittently becomes visible.

Don't remember see that ever, but then again I don't use that view very often at all.

[Laddie]

2 hours ago, oc2209 said:

 

Right, but I've noticed with the 'Left Alt+F1' view, there's occasionally an odd clipping issue where your pilot's hand or head or something intermittently becomes visible.

 

But yes, it does give you total control of your view, even in a replay.

I was just browsing for another problem I'm having with cockpit replays but saw this discussion. I'm doing exactly the same thing at the moment, recording a series of videos using the replay system. I've been using the Left Alt + F1 system and then controlling my head movement via the mouse. I use the key pad - & + if I need to zoom in and out, that will draw you right in to the sight or away from it, giving you a wider view of the cockpit when zoomed out. I have also noticed at the start of a mission replay when taking off, the rogue pilots arm, it's very odd, it means I have to keep the glitch out of view until it vanishes. I've not seen it in flight afterwards or when I return to base and land, only at the start. I'd love to be able to see my body in the cockpit when internal, but just seeing my arm is freaky lol 

 

I'm interested to ask though whether you have a similar issue to me when it comes to replays, and it's what I'm looking for a solution to. If I just roll the replay footage and it's in cockpit view using the default F1 view, I get this sort of throbbing and twitching of the cockpit (this sounds so wrong). It's so irritating, I've been trying the  Left Alt + F1 system instead, it's a massive improvement, I only see very rare twitching/throbbing using this style, but for me this comes with a downside, the mouse movement of my head in Left Alt + F1 feels really janky compared to how it feels when I use my mouse in the actual mission or when I use it for external movement in either mission or replay. No matter what I try to make it smoother doesn't work, so I really want to stick with the F1 view and that's why I'm trying to find a solution to this twitching, so I can just roll footage with F1 and see the head movements I made during the actual mission. The twitching actually stops whenever I'm in combat scenes though when watching the replay. But once the combats over and I'm just flying, the twitching returns.

 

Anyway I'd be interested to know if you have also noticed this or is it just me, it's been the bane of my replays for a long time and I don't get any results when I search for solutions.

 

 

[Ghost666]

21 minutes ago, Shaun50 said:

I was just browsing for another problem I'm having with cockpit replays but saw this discussion. I'm doing exactly the same thing at the moment, recording a series of videos using the replay system. I've been using the Left Alt + F1 system and then controlling my head movement via the mouse. I use the key pad - & + if I need to zoom in and out, that will draw you right in to the sight or away from it, giving you a wider view of the cockpit when zoomed out. I have also noticed at the start of a mission replay when taking off, the rogue pilots arm, it's very odd, it means I have to keep the glitch out of view until it vanishes. I've not seen it in flight afterwards or when I return to base and land, only at the start. I'd love to be able to see my body in the cockpit when internal, but just seeing my arm is freaky lol 

I watched some of my recordings using the Left alt+F1 view and I did notice the "throbbing and twitching" you mentioned. It acts like it trying to move the view to where you looked when recording. I have no clue as to fixing this. Have you tried the Left ctrl+F1 view that shows what you saw when recording?

 

As for the arm showing up, I can't duplicate that, no matter what view I use. I have heard that some people have seen body parts after using a MOD that inserts a pilot. IIRC the MOD didn't deactivate all the way and they had to do a reinstall of the game. Have you used that MOD?

 

Hopefully that detached arm will vanish after tomorrow. Happy Halloween! ?

[oc2209]

2 hours ago, Ghost666 said:

Don't remember see that ever, but then again I don't use that view very often at all.

 

Per your more recent statements above, no, I've never used any mods.

 

The only plane I've seen the clipping issue in (not that I've tried in many) is the 190A-8. Here's an example:

 

Spoiler

 

 

By contrast, the following is an... A3? I could check to be sure. Point is, it's not an A8:

 

Spoiler

 

 

Both recordings are using the Left Alt+F1 view.

 

2 hours ago, Shaun50 said:

I'm interested to ask though whether you have a similar issue to me when it comes to replays, and it's what I'm looking for a solution to. If I just roll the replay footage and it's in cockpit view using the default F1 view, I get this sort of throbbing and twitching of the cockpit (this sounds so wrong).

 

Yeah, twitching would be enough. Throbbing brings other, more anatomical, bits and bobs to mind.

 

As for your issue, if I ever have encountered it (using the regular view, not Left Alt+F1), it's not often (therefore I don't recall it clearly). Most of the time my only problem is the zoom in that occurs during replays, which is remedied easily enough.

 

This might be a peripheral software/hardware issue for you. I, for example, don't use any form of head tracking. I just use basic view keys and the hat on the stick. And the head movements I make using keys/hat are usually recorded correctly. So maybe the specific kind of tracking you use isn't working well in replays? That's the only guess I have.

Edited October 31, 2021 by oc2209

[oc2209]

3 hours ago, Shaun50 said:

No matter what I try to make it smoother doesn't work, so I really want to stick with the F1 view and that's why I'm trying to find a solution to this twitching, so I can just roll footage with F1 and see the head movements I made during the actual mission.

 

This is an example of how an average recording looks for me:

 

Spoiler

 

 

You can see when I zoomed in, when I zoomed out, and all other (joystick-input) head movements I made during the original sortie. At no point did I use an external view (originally or in the recording), nor did I need to use Left Control+F1 to reset my view.

 

So, for debugging purposes, you should first attempt to see if it's possible for you to make an accurate recording with no head tracking, and then move on from there.

[Laddie]

11 hours ago, Ghost666 said:

I watched some of my recordings using the Left alt+F1 view and I did notice the "throbbing and twitching" you mentioned. It acts like it trying to move the view to where you looked when recording. I have no clue as to fixing this. Have you tried the Left ctrl+F1 view that shows what you saw when recording?

 

As for the arm showing up, I can't duplicate that, no matter what view I use. I have heard that some people have seen body parts after using a MOD that inserts a pilot. IIRC the MOD didn't deactivate all the way and they had to do a reinstall of the game. Have you used that MOD?

 

Hopefully that detached arm will vanish after tomorrow. Happy Halloween! ?

Thanks for the reply. After reading this discussion last night I was going to try using the Left ctrl+F1 system when I load up another replay to record, I don't think I've tried it before so I'll be interested to see if it improves things.

 

I am 99% sure I haven't used a mod to place the pilot body in the cockpit, but there is 1% of me that thinks I may have added it and it didn't work so I uninstalled the mod. I'm also pretty sure I've done a fresh install a few times since then (If I did) but cleared out all the IL 2 files before the new install.

 

For a second there I thought "After tomorrow" ? Is there a patch coming to fix it ? And then I realised what you meant ha ha Happy Halloween ??

10 hours ago, oc2209 said:

 

Per your more recent statements above, no, I've never used any mods.

 

The only plane I've seen the clipping issue in (not that I've tried in many) is the 190A-8. Here's an example:

 

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By contrast, the following is an... A3? I could check to be sure. Point is, it's not an A8:

 

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Both recordings are using the Left Alt+F1 view.

 

 

Yeah, twitching would be enough. Throbbing brings other, more anatomical, bits and bobs to mind.

 

As for your issue, if I ever have encountered it (using the regular view, not Left Alt+F1), it's not often (therefore I don't recall it clearly). Most of the time my only problem is the zoom in that occurs during replays, which is remedied easily enough.

 

This might be a peripheral software/hardware issue for you. I, for example, don't use any form of head tracking. I just use basic view keys and the hat on the stick. And the head movements I make using keys/hat are usually recorded correctly. So maybe the specific kind of tracking you use isn't working well in replays? That's the only guess I have.

Lol, that's what I was thinking.

 

I can see a similar twitch in your video at about the 8 second mark, the twitching I'm encountering is fairly constant but it's never when in actual combat, so if I'm staring straight forward, the camera view will twitch to the left every second or so, then it may pause, then become less obvious or more erratic. I don't use head tracking any more, I tried it and didn't like it. I'm just using the HAT on my flight stick when in combat and use the mouse if I'm just flying on auto level to a target or back to base.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Laddie]

8 hours ago, oc2209 said:

 

This is an example of how an average recording looks for me:

 

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You can see when I zoomed in, when I zoomed out, and all other (joystick-input) head movements I made during the original sortie. At no point did I use an external view (originally or in the recording), nor did I need to use Left Control+F1 to reset my view.

 

So, for debugging purposes, you should first attempt to see if it's possible for you to make an accurate recording with no head tracking, and then move on from there.

That field of view of the cockpit does seem limited compared to what I see when I zoom out. In most situations when I zoom out looking straight forward towards the control panel, I can see from the top of the windscreen to the top of my rudder pedals. maybe this is down to camera type ? I use Pan camera mode, when I start a flight I click F9 till I get Pan camera selected and have it set to that in the camera menu. 

 

But your video has raised more questions for me and could lead to the source of my trouble. Your head movement is shaky, like it's meant to be with what I presume is head shake turned on ? I have head shake turned on but don't get any head shake, it's smooth as butter, just like my planes steadiness in combat. Which is down to the fact that I've adjusted the plane control sensitivities ie Input responses-Plane control : Pitch, Roll and Yaw as described in JG1 Bartons tutorial

 

 

I'm now wondering if this has had the same effect on my head movement too, it is dead still in combat, just like the plane and the gunsight, and could this be having an adverse effect, causing the twitching effect in cockpit view. My suspicion is there could be a connection here. I'm going to have to test things out I think.

 

Thanks a lot for the replies and video clips, I'll let you know if I manage to remedy my problem and I hope you solve your particular issue too ?

 

 

[oc2209]

4 hours ago, Shaun50 said:

That field of view of the cockpit does seem limited compared to what I see when I zoom out. In most situations when I zoom out looking straight forward towards the control panel, I can see from the top of the windscreen to the top of my rudder pedals. maybe this is down to camera type ? I use Pan camera mode, when I start a flight I click F9 till I get Pan camera selected and have it set to that in the camera menu. 

 

But your video has raised more questions for me and could lead to the source of my trouble. Your head movement is shaky, like it's meant to be with what I presume is head shake turned on ? I have head shake turned on but don't get any head shake, it's smooth as butter, just like my planes steadiness in combat. Which is down to the fact that I've adjusted the plane control sensitivities ie Input responses-Plane control : Pitch, Roll and Yaw as described in JG1 Bartons tutorial

 

I'm now wondering if this has had the same effect on my head movement too, it is dead still in combat, just like the plane and the gunsight, and could this be having an adverse effect, causing the twitching effect in cockpit view. My suspicion is there could be a connection here. I'm going to have to test things out I think.

 

Thanks a lot for the replies and video clips, I'll let you know if I manage to remedy my problem and I hope you solve your particular issue too ?

 

No problem, glad to help if I can.

 

For the record, I haven't adjusted my control sensitivities at all.

 

Here's my camera settings (which are mostly default, as I recall):

 

 

 

4 hours ago, Shaun50 said:

That field of view of the cockpit does seem limited compared to what I see when I zoom out. In most situations when I zoom out looking straight forward towards the control panel, I can see from the top of the windscreen to the top of my rudder pedals.

 

I'm re-quoting this to provide a screen for frame of reference. This is my default combat view, zoomed out as far as it will go:

 

 

And this is the normal default zoom level: