moscow city blocked?

[NoelGallagher]

i just got moscow and wanted to fly around the city but it seems like it's blocked to enter that area

is there anyway to unlock it?

becsaue the main reason i purchased this was because i wanted to see the big city from above 

and explore the areas around the city

any help would be much appreciated ?

Edited October 23, 2021 by NoelGallagher

[Ala13_UnopaUno_VR]

i thinks MOD about them

[THERION]

5 minutes ago, NoelGallagher said:

i just got moscow and wanted to fly around the city but it seems like it's blocked to enter that area

is there anyway to unlock it?

becsaue the main reason i purchase this was because want to see the big city from above 

any help would be much appreciated ?

 

Yes, the Moscow city is a no fly zone - I don't really know why they did this, maybe performance wise or some kind of political
restrictions?

Anyway, there is/was a MOD allowing you to enter the airspace of Moscow and fly over the city, although the buildings are not
that detailed and look a bit blurry. And most of the buildings are placed on grass, there are no streets or avenues so to speak.

[NoelGallagher]

Just now, THERION said:

 

Yes, the Moscow city is a no fly zone - I don't really know why they did this, maybe performance wise or some kind of political
restrictions?

Anyway, there is/was a MOD allowing you to enter the airspace of Moscow and fly over the city, although the buildings are not
that detailed and look a bit blurry. And most of the buildings are placed on grass, there are no streets or avenues so to speak.

thx for the informantion 

i'm gonna try to find a mod

[Uufflakke]

 

 

[NoelGallagher]

27 minutes ago, Uufflakke said:

 

 

thx !! 

now i can fly over moscow yayay!

[SYN_Vander]

Moscow was only modeled in very low detail (for performance reasons) so you could see it from afar when taking off from one of the nearby airfields. It was a nice gesture. But it makes no sense to fly over it because it will look very ugly. Just open the mission editor if you want to see how it looks like.

 

Edited October 23, 2021 by SYN_Vander

[Dakpilot]

. Also historically only a few bombing raids were flown over the city, and then only at night. 

 

Other than performance reasons, a huge amount of work/time/money for something not used in the campaign just for sightseeing. 

 

People seem to see political conspiracys  everywhere ?

 

Cheers, Dakpilot 

[SYN_Vander]

4 minutes ago, Dakpilot said:

. Also historically only a few bombing raids were flown over the city, and then only at night. 

 

Other than performance reasons, a huge amount of work/time/money for something not used in the campaign just for sightseeing. 

 

People seem to see political conspiracys  everywhere ?

 

Cheers, Dakpilot 

 

Yes, you are right. I think that (technically speaking) if someone is willing to make a higher detailed versions of all the buildings with proper LOD (level of details) it would be possible to open up the map a little more to the east. But it's a huge task.

[Missionbug]

For me the lock out was annoying, not so much that I could not fly over Moscow but in many instances it would activate in the area around your airfield, some airfields are very close in to the city.   Many times straight after takeoff or when you were returning from missions this aggravating interruption would spoil the immersion, thankfully I have the mod on and all is well.

 

It was always acknowledged by the Dev team that the detail of the city was sparse, it was only meant for viewing from afar, however, I quite like wandering over it when returning from a mission and have no issue with the detail as it is so really it should not be locked anyway but there you go.

 

Take care and be safe.

 

Wishing you all the very best, Pete.

[15[Span.]/JG51Costa]

I have some references about some daylight raids over Moscow by 15(Span)/JG27 the 1st Blue Squadron.
I can't recreate this picture in the simulator, but it's not a big deal, I'm fine with it.

 

Saludos.

15(Span.)/JG51 Costa

Spoiler

Edited October 25, 2021 by SYN_Haashashin

[NoelGallagher]

5 hours ago, SYN_Vander said:

Moscow was only modeled in very low detail (for performance reasons) so you could see it from afar when taking off from one of the nearby airfields. It was a nice gesture. But it makes no sense to fly over it because it will look very ugly. Just open the mission editor if you want to see how it looks like.

 

well honestly it doens't make not a lot of difference to me 

the current building looks not so great either 

and i wanted to see it as overall sight of the whole city 

thx for the info BTW 

4 hours ago, Missionbug said:

For me the lock out was annoying, not so much that I could not fly over Moscow but in many instances it would activate in the area around your airfield, some airfields are very close in to the city.   Many times straight after takeoff or when you were returning from missions this aggravating interruption would spoil the immersion, thankfully I have the mod on and all is well.

 

It was always acknowledged by the Dev team that the detail of the city was sparse, it was only meant for viewing from afar, however, I quite like wandering over it when returning from a mission and have no issue with the detail as it is so really it should not be locked anyway but there you go.

 

Take care and be safe.

 

Wishing you all the very best, Pete.

Wishing you all the very best too 

but i prefer to be free rather than being safe

[AEthelraedUnraed]

3 hours ago, 15[Span.]/JG51Costa said:

I have some references about some daylight raids over Moscow by 15(Span)/JG27 the 1st Blue Squadron.

They must have some balls, with all the Flak that was there. And probably barrage balloons too.

[15[Span.]/JG51Costa]

No doubt! ?

 

Saludos.

15(Span.)/JG51 Costa 

[=gRiJ=Roman-]

IMHO it is a shame that Moscow is not included in the map. I cannot find a logical explanation.

[Gambit21]

13 minutes ago, =gRiJ=Roman- said:

IMHO it is a shame that Moscow is not included in the map. I cannot find a logical explanation.

 

The logical explanation has been explained a hundred times.

 

Performance/resource/bang for the development buck or rather lack thereof.

[CountZero]

London and Paris will have same fait on BoN game map, and if they do anything close to Berlin i doubt its gona be on game map.

[PatrickAWlson]

10 minutes ago, CountZero said:

London and Paris will have same fait on BoN game map, and if they do anything close to Berlin i doubt its gona be on game map.

 

I didn't think that London or Paris were on the BoN map

[Enceladus828]

41 minutes ago, PatrickAWlson said:

 

I didn't think that London or Paris were on the BoN map

No they're not but you can fly over London and north of it in CloD.

 

Also, if you install patch 4.14.1 for IL-2 1946 then you can fly over Moscow such as the Kremlin.

[LukeFF]

48 minutes ago, PatrickAWlson said:

 

I didn't think that London or Paris were on the BoN map

 

Correct

[[CPT]milopugdog]

One thing you have to keep in mind is that the Moscow map was designed in 2015-2016. So the team's and the game's resources have evolved quite a bit since then. We can only hope that one day older maps will get some love with modern tools to renovate the Moscow and Stalingrad areas; but I doubt it.

[Dagwoodyt]

1 hour ago, LukeFF said:

 

Correct

Manston and Eastchurch airfields?

Edited October 23, 2021 by Dagwoodyt

[LukeFF]

13 minutes ago, Dagwoodyt said:

Manston and Eastchurch airfields?

 

Those should be there, yes, based on the research I did for the map.

[[CPT]milopugdog]

1 hour ago, Dagwoodyt said:

Manston and Eastchurch airfields?

There's this cool map someone made that has the real-world locations of all our flight simulator maps on it. Might help you to visualize the area a bit better.

https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/viewer?mid=1nEGqkqYUGBipkmMq-NSwixdUHmU&ll=50.47995072969252%2C3.0319716597856234&z=7

[CountZero]

3 hours ago, PatrickAWlson said:

 

I didn't think that London or Paris were on the BoN map

So the map ends and then there is nothing in place where London or Paris is ? just green texture repeting infinatly ? then thats even wors then not flyable Moscow, atleast you can see city is there, its gona be realy strange on BoN map.

 

 

i can see part of London and Paris on map shown, so other part will just not exist offmap ? thats gona be ugly to see if thats how things are planed.

I fuly expected we could see the big citys like we can see Moscow , but we wont be able to fly over them and they wont have details.

Edited October 23, 2021 by CountZero

[PatrickAWlson]

1 hour ago, CountZero said:

So the map ends and then there is nothing in place where London or Paris is ? just green texture repeting infinatly ? then thats even wors then not flyable Moscow, atleast you can see city is there, its gona be realy strange on BoN map.

 

 

i can see part of London and Paris on map shown, so other part will just not exist offmap ? thats gona be ugly to see if thats how things are planed.

I fuly expected we could see the big citys like we can see Moscow , but we wont be able to fly over them and they wont have details.

 

I guess you can see it that way.  I see a map that will allow me to do 3 years worth of campaign.

 

[ShamrockOneFive]

1 hour ago, CountZero said:

So the map ends and then there is nothing in place where London or Paris is ? just green texture repeting infinatly ? then thats even wors then not flyable Moscow, atleast you can see city is there, its gona be realy strange on BoN map.

 

Nope. Other maps still have some details off into the distance. This one will as well.

[=gRiJ=Roman-]

14 hours ago, Gambit21 said:

 

The logical explanation has been explained a hundred times.

 

Performance/resource/bang for the development buck or rather lack thereof.

But we have large cities in BOBP. It is feasible now. Right?

Opening Moscow gives the chance to have exciting bombing missions and alternative history missions and escenarios.

What about a DLC Moscow open and through in the I15/153 as well with a fair price for this package?

I would buy it!

I am totally convinced that it would be a massive success.

Edited October 24, 2021 by =gRiJ=Roman-

[AEthelraedUnraed]

26 minutes ago, =gRiJ=Roman- said:

But we have large cities in BOBP. It is feasible now. Right?

Opening Moscow gives the chance to have exciting bombing missions and alternative history missions and escenarios.

What about a DLC Moscow open and through in the I15/153 as well with a fair price for this package?

I would buy it!

I am totally convinced that it would be a massive success.

There's "large" and then there's "LARGE". The largest city on the map, I think, is Brussels with a little over 1 million inhabitants at the time. Moscow had 4 times that amount, Paris 5 and London a whopping 8.

[15[Span.]/JG51Costa]

5 hours ago, =gRiJ=Roman- said:

But we have large cities in BOBP. It is feasible now. Right?

Opening Moscow gives the chance to have exciting bombing missions and alternative history missions and escenarios.

What about a DLC Moscow open and through in the I15/153 as well with a fair price for this package?

I would buy it!

I am totally convinced that it would be a massive success.

I would definitely buy it for the mere fact of being able to fly over Moscow. And while I like winning battles, I don't intend to change the course of the war, I'm not a big fan of "what if" scenarios.

 

Saludos.

15(Span.)/JG51Costa 

[NoelGallagher]

On 10/24/2021 at 7:42 AM, CountZero said:

So the map ends and then there is nothing in place where London or Paris is ? just green texture repeting infinatly ? then thats even wors then not flyable Moscow, atleast you can see city is there, its gona be realy strange on BoN map.

 

 

i can see part of London and Paris on map shown, so other part will just not exist offmap ? thats gona be ugly to see if thats how things are planed.

I fuly expected we could see the big citys like we can see Moscow , but we wont be able to fly over them and they wont have details.

i don't care about whether they are gonna make london and paris or not 

the problem for me is lack of the diversity of the terrain 

as you said "infintely repeating same square with only 3 or 4 varients of color"

and if anyone insist that's how world really looks from above well i'm not gonna argure with you 

even clod which came before great battle sereis has better representation of ground 

and for the people who try to defned the GB sereis at all coast and lough at criticism hear this 

"if you don't have any love for the game you just ditch it and don't give a shit and the very fact they give their opinion and put their effort to even write a single words over here is becasue they still love it and help the game to evolve and also some people over here think as if you gotta know everything about how game engine works and what's the limitaions are to suggest anything if you know a lot then suck it but don't make it look like madatory"

[jeanba]

On 10/24/2021 at 12:42 AM, CountZero said:

So the map ends and then there is nothing in place where London or Paris is ? just green texture repeting infinatly ? then thats even wors then not flyable Moscow, atleast you can see city is there, its gona be realy strange on BoN map.

 

 

i can see part of London and Paris on map shown, so other part will just not exist offmap ? thats gona be ugly to see if thats how things are planed.

I fuly expected we could see the big citys like we can see Moscow , but we wont be able to fly over them and they wont have details.

No part of Paris is shown on this map.

Also, assuming that the grey zones are urban areas, most of them were not there in 1940.

For instance, the city of Cergy has around 70000 inhabitants now, but before 1970, it was less than 1000:

see below:

https://www.google.com/search?q=cergy+population&rlz=1C1CHBD_frFR804FR804&oq=cergy&aqs=chrome.2.69i57j46i433i512j35i39j0i433i512j46i175i199i512j0i457i512j46i175i199i512j46i512j0i512l2.3251j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

 

Here is also a map of Paris and its surrounding in 1960 or so:

 

Here again, the urban area around Paris was much smaller than now (it larger than what it was in 1940).

Edited October 25, 2021 by jeanba

[RAY-EU]

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Edited October 25, 2021 by RAY-EU

[CountZero]

3 hours ago, jeanba said:

No part of Paris is shown on this map.

Also, assuming that the grey zones are urban areas, most of them were not there in 1940.

For instance, the city of Cergy has around 70000 inhabitants now, but before 1970, it was less than 1000:

see below:

https://www.google.com/search?q=cergy+population&rlz=1C1CHBD_frFR804FR804&oq=cergy&aqs=chrome.2.69i57j46i433i512j35i39j0i433i512j46i175i199i512j0i457i512j46i175i199i512j46i512j0i512l2.3251j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

 

Here is also a map of Paris and its surrounding in 1960 or so:

 

Here again, the urban area around Paris was much smaller than now (it larger than what it was in 1940).

 

 

So right of that edge of map will be nothing, map will just have left part of city and then it will just stop, lol i know standards of maps drop but i have hard time beliving they will just place copypast green textures in place where city is, i expect min of what we have with Moscow map, low quality city to be there but not be able to fly over it.

[Guest deleted@191198]

IMHO, final map better.

Edited October 25, 2021 by startzug1101

[ShamrockOneFive]

Yep. It's a bit more usable having more of the southern sector available. The only thing I don't know is how it affects Luftwaffe bases.

[sevenless]

6 minutes ago, ShamrockOneFive said:

The only thing I don't know is how it affects Luftwaffe bases.

 

Quite a lot.

 

[SYN_Vander]

20 minutes ago, sevenless said:

 

Quite a lot.

 

So no Luftwaffe airfields in NE sector of the map (version 2)?

[sevenless]

1 minute ago, SYN_Vander said:

So no Luftwaffe airfields in NE sector of the map (version 2)?

 

According to la Luftwaffe face au débarquement (editions-heimdal.fr) nope.

 

Let´s wait how they deal with it. I doubt map 2 is the final version.

[Guest deleted@191198]

I can assume that the map will be expanded in the future... I see no reason to make another map, resources team limited.