Stabilizer Trim Controls For Bf 109 and Fw 190

[JG27_Mainz]

The Bf 109 and the Fw 190 have stabilizer trim controls, not elevator trim controls. There are three such controls - a stabilizer trim axis, a button to increase stabilizer trim, and a button to decrease stabilizer trim. I wanted to use the button controls for both planes, but for some reason the button controls only work for the Fw 190. The Bf 109 stabilizer only responds to the stabilizer trim axis, not the buttons. Curiously, the Fw 190 will not respond to the stabilizer trim axis and works with the buttons only. Is this anyone else's experience? Is it possible to bind Bf 109 stabilizer controls to buttons that increase/decrease trim instead of using the axis?

[LukeFF]

3 minutes ago, IV./JG51-P_Mainz said:

Is it possible to bind Bf 109 stabilizer controls to buttons that increase/decrease trim instead of using the axis?

 

Yes, it is. I'm not at my computer right now, but I know for a fact I have all of my horizontal stabilizer and other trim commands mapped to 3 toggle switches on my throttle. 

[Eisenfaustus]

That’s just how these were operated. 
 

The 190 had a switch - in the 109 you turned a wheel. 
 

But you can map the axis to the same buttons you map the switch. 

[Rjel]

I haven’t flown the German planes in quite a while but I had them set up to use the hat switch on my joystick, same as I do the USAAF planes and others that have the horizontal and vertical trim tabs. It always worked in the past. I’ll have to try them tonight to see if it still works for all three types of trim.  

Edited October 21, 2021 by Rjel

[Barn-Owl]

Someone mentioned to map your 109 stabilizer trim to the stick up and down function (elevator axis that controls the pitch).  That way, you have perfect stabilizer trim with nose up and nose down motion of the 109.  I have not done this, but I do think that it is possible (only for the 109)....

[LukeFF]

1 minute ago, Friction said:

Someone mentioned to map your 109 stabilizer trim to the stick up and down function (elevator axis that controls the pitch).  That way, you have perfect stabilizer trim with nose up and nose down motion of the 109.  I have not done this, but I do think that it is possible (only for the 109)....

 

That is a really bad idea. 

[Barn-Owl]

6 minutes ago, LukeFF said:

 

That is a really bad idea. 

LukeFF: mind expanding on your short reply?

[LukeFF]

1 hour ago, Friction said:

LukeFF: mind expanding on your short reply?

 

Constantly changing your trim is really bad for pitch stability, and the proper trim angle is not going to be the exact same position as your stick's position. 

[danielprates]

23 minutes ago, LukeFF said:

 

Constantly changing your trim is really bad for pitch stability, and the proper trim angle is not going to be the exact same position as your stick's position. 

 

Besides it kills the point of trimmimg at all doesnt it? Trim is there so you dont have to constantly keep the stick at an odd position to keep the plane straight, it lightnens your workload. If the trim is set alongside as a double command alongside the stick, that's just odd.

[Ghost666]

Yes is the answer the OC is looking for. You can use buttons for the stabilizer trim in the 109. Since IRL the 109 uses a wheel to adjust the trim, you have to use the "stabilizer axis" binding. just click on the axis binding then push the button/key you want to in crease the trim, then push the button/key you want to decrease the trim. It's all explained in the text that shows up when you click on the "stabilizer Axis' binding.

 

Have a good day!

[JG27_Mainz]

On 10/24/2021 at 10:18 AM, Ghost666 said:

Yes is the answer the OC is looking for. You can use buttons for the stabilizer trim in the 109. Since IRL the 109 uses a wheel to adjust the trim, you have to use the "stabilizer axis" binding. just click on the axis binding then push the button/key you want to in crease the trim, then push the button/key you want to decrease the trim. It's all explained in the text that shows up when you click on the "stabilizer Axis' binding.

 

Have a good day!

I tried this, but for some reason the control would not respond to the input. In fact I could not even use the default key binds which are buttons, not axis, to do anything. It is very strange since a default keyboard/mouse setup would not have an axis anyway.

[Eisenfaustus]

Have you unmapped the axis? If not the axis might override any key input. 

[Ghost666]

Lets just make sure we are on the same page. The top picture is the default key settings and the 3rd picture is set-up for 109. The adjustable stabilizer axis is where the keys need to be bound. And if you bind the same keys to both the axis and the switches (as in the default picture then it should work for any plane. if you find this still dose not work you my have to delete the input folder (located as shown in the 2nd picture). then restart the game and a new input folder will be created. but then you have to rebind all keys that you have changed.

 

please don't be offended if I got to simple, I don't know your level of computer knowledge.

 

Good luck, hope you get it figured out.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Eclipse4349]

On 10/21/2021 at 7:27 PM, Friction said:

LukeFF: mind expanding on your short reply?

Trim is situational, and dependent on power setting, altitude, and airspeed, to name a few variables off the top of my head. Not to mention, sometimes you will want to trim for straight and level flight, but other times that will not be the case - for example landing, where you would trim for the appropriate amount of nose-up attitude that holds you at a suitable speed, or diving for ground attack where you may (or sometimes need) to trim nore up so that YOU have to hold the stick forward to maintain the dive, so that the trim setting helps to pull you out of the dive since your elevator will be locked up at high airspeed. 

 

To make a long story short, trim needs to be controlled separate from pitch to be useful.  Hope that helps 

On 10/27/2021 at 9:25 PM, IV./JG51-P_Mainz said:

I tried this, but for some reason the control would not respond to the input. In fact I could not even use the default key binds which are buttons, not axis, to do anything. It is very strange since a default keyboard/mouse setup would not have an axis anyway.

I would start by clearing all default button assignments that are joystick buttons, if you have any. They will only get in the way.

 

Then, go through the plane control settings and for anything that is a trim "up" of any kind, bind it to whatever key combination you want to use. Then do the same for all trim "down" controls.  Each aircraft will use one of the possible trim options. There is no overlap, so you can use the same keypress or combination for all "trim up" commands and another for all "trim down" commands without issue.

[JG27_Mainz]

I figured it out. When I had both buttons and axis bound, initially buttons would work, but as soon as I used the axis, the buttons would stop working. I fixed it by unbinding the axis and restarting the game.

[Ghost666]

Good glad to hear you got it working!